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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 28, 2013, 04:38:42 AM

Quote from: crazyearner on January 28, 2013, 03:19:44 AM

cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit

Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.

Still having problems, Is their any instructions on how to deposit step by step as saying invalid address to deposit to.

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Quote from: crazyearner on January 28, 2013, 03:19:44 AM

cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit

Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.

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cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit

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Quote from: dooglus on January 25, 2013, 03:28:44 PM

Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 25, 2013, 06:41:10 AM

The two terms I have differently are:

250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)

1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240

Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:

http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA

How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?

There are indeed 240 ways to get 3 suited 7's, but 60 of them are diamonds, so only 180 are non-diamonds.

As for the 250 win, there are 20*19*18 = 6840 ways to get 3 sevens. 4*5*4*3 = 240 of them are suited, so 6840-240 = 6600 are unsuited. Your 5400 number doesn't include the case where the first two 7's are suited, but the 3rd isn't.

My numbers:

Code:

result   pay    perms    probability       odds   payout
------   ---  --------  ------------   ---------  ------
  lose     0  16037280  0.9230769231       1.083  0.0000
     7     5   1238400  0.0712800713      14.029  0.3564
    77    25     72000  0.0041441902     241.302  0.1036
   77s    50     19200  0.0011051174     904.881  0.0553
   777   250      6600  0.0003798841    2632.382  0.0950
  777s  1000       180  0.0000103605   96520.667  0.0104
  777d  2149        60  0.0000034535  289562.000  0.0074

total payout is 62.801514%

Edit: I notice that in you image the numbers in cells B8-B14 don't sum to the number in B15:

Code:

>>> 60+240+5400+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of your permutations)
17372580
>>> 60+180+6600+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of my permutations)
17373720
>>> 260*259*258 # (real total number of permutations)
17373720

OK, you're right on both the two numbers: 180 for the three suited 7s because diamonds don't count, and I now have the same number you do for the 250 win. I'm still computing about 87 btc as the break even point.

http://imgur.com/tCvzdXx

The numbers seem to add up too. Any ideas?

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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 25, 2013, 06:41:10 AM

The two terms I have differently are:

250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)

1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240

Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:

http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA

How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?

There are indeed 240 ways to get 3 suited 7's, but 60 of them are diamonds, so only 180 are non-diamonds.

As for the 250 win, there are 20*19*18 = 6840 ways to get 3 sevens. 4*5*4*3 = 240 of them are suited, so 6840-240 = 6600 are unsuited. Your 5400 number doesn't include the case where the first two 7's are suited, but the 3rd isn't.

My numbers:

Code:

result   pay    perms    probability       odds   payout
------   ---  --------  ------------   ---------  ------
  lose     0  16037280  0.9230769231       1.083  0.0000
     7     5   1238400  0.0712800713      14.029  0.3564
    77    25     72000  0.0041441902     241.302  0.1036
   77s    50     19200  0.0011051174     904.881  0.0553
   777   250      6600  0.0003798841    2632.382  0.0950
  777s  1000       180  0.0000103605   96520.667  0.0104
  777d  2149        60  0.0000034535  289562.000  0.0074

total payout is 62.801514%

Edit: I notice that in you image the numbers in cells B8-B14 don't sum to the number in B15:

Code:

>>> 60+240+5400+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of your permutations)
17372580
>>> 60+180+6600+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of my permutations)
17373720
>>> 260*259*258 # (real total number of permutations)
17373720

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Awesome! Im a blackjack addict il definitly be playing this.

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Quote from: dooglus on January 25, 2013, 05:41:50 AM

Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 25, 2013, 04:29:55 AM

FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)

I made it around 110 BTC:

Code:

>>> (260*259*258 - 5 * 20*240*258 - 25 * 20*15*240 - 50 * 5*4*4*240 - 250 * (20*19*18 - 5*4*3*4) - 1000 * 5*4*3*3) / (5*4*3)
109862

That's assuming you always deal 3 cards to the player. In practice the player will probably stand with 77 vs 6, not hit to see the 3rd card.

The two terms I have differently are:

250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)

1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240

Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:

http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA

How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?

edit: fixed another number

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 25, 2013, 04:55:31 AM

Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 25, 2013, 04:29:55 AM

Couple updates:

1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.

2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.

3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!

4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!

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Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).

This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.

FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)

And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)

First three cards? It is the first three cards.. or do you mean the first two cards?

Hmm. First 7 / First 2 sevens / First 3 sevens. If there's something other than a 7, then cards after it do not count.

So, if your first three cards are:

7-2-2 you get: one seven
7-7-2 two sevens
7-7-7 three sevens
7-A-7 one seven
6-7-7 zero sevens

Does that clear it up?

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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 25, 2013, 04:29:55 AM

FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)

I made it around 110 BTC:

Code:

>>> (260*259*258 - 5 * 20*240*258 - 25 * 20*15*240 - 50 * 5*4*4*240 - 250 * (20*19*18 - 5*4*3*4) - 1000 * 5*4*3*3) / (5*4*3)
109862

That's assuming you always deal 3 cards to the player. In practice the player will probably stand with 77 vs 6, not hit to see the 3rd card.

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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 25, 2013, 04:29:55 AM

Couple updates:

1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.

2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.

3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!

4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!

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Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).

This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.

FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)

And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)

First three cards? It is the first three cards.. or do you mean the first two cards?

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Couple updates:

1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.

2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.

3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!

4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!

Quote

Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).

This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.

FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)

And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)

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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 24, 2013, 04:05:53 PM

No surrender (yet, we just haven't implemented this. Do you think it's wanted?)

Every little bit helps. Early surrender, of course, is best of all, but I don't think anyone would offer this in combination with the rest of your fairly favorable ruleset.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 25, 2013, 02:08:44 AM

Hmm, it said "First card 7" and then "Two 7's" so yeah it's a bit confusing.

Yeah, I don't know.

I just tried calculating the expected payout, but got only 62.8%:

Code:

>>> 100 * (5 * 20*240*258         +
          25 * 20*15*240          +
          50 * 5*4*4*240          +
         250 * (20*19*18-5*4*3*4) +
        1000 * 5*4*3*3            +
     2149.09 * 5*4*3*1            ) / (260*259*258)
62.80143458050435

Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).

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Quote from: dooglus on January 25, 2013, 02:03:04 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 24, 2013, 08:33:26 PM

Got two sevens, did not get the 50 credit same suit bonus..

http://imgur.com/MlGynWF

I expect the 2-card outcomes refer to your first two cards only, though it would be better if that was made explicit.

Hmm, it said "First card 7" and then "Two 7's" so yeah it's a bit confusing.

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 24, 2013, 08:33:26 PM

Got two sevens, did not get the 50 credit same suit bonus..

http://imgur.com/MlGynWF

I expect the 2-card outcomes refer to your first two cards only, though it would be better if that was made explicit.

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Got two sevens, did not get the 50 credit same suit bonus..

http://imgur.com/MlGynWF

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Quote from: dooglus on January 24, 2013, 04:45:06 PM

During auto-play, if the correct play is to double, but I don't have enough chips to double, the deposit pop-up keeps appearing and disappearing over and over.

it also did this when you busted your roll in auto-play mode and had it cranked to max bet but only had like 4 credits left

(i.e. I don't win the royal flush every time I set it to auto-play and go to bed)

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During auto-play, if the correct play is to double, but I don't have enough chips to double, the deposit pop-up keeps appearing and disappearing over and over.

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Quote from: dooglus on January 24, 2013, 03:59:14 PM

Another bug? I cannot act - all the buttons are grey. There was an error message in a pop up dialog, but I didn't make a note of what it said:

Just so it doesn't look like I'm ignoring you -- we chatted in the chat system and worked out what happened here. Basically, I restarted the server at the most inopportune moment:) I refunded you the credit for that game and so far it looks like things are going well.

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Quote from: dooglus on January 24, 2013, 03:52:56 PM

The blackjack screen is flashing "PLAY 10 CREDITS" at me, even after I changed the bet size to 6 credits.

Is that a bug, or am I misunderstanding what it's trying to tell me?

Ah, I can see the confusion here. "PLAY 10 CREDITS" is a banner similar to the video poker one that says "PLAY 5 CREDITS", advertising and enticing you to play up to 10 credits.

Your actual bet amount is in the white text, BET 6. That's what you'll pay per hand.

I'll note down that this is confusing and we'll do something about it.

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