Topic: ★★★ Bitcoin Video Casino ★★★ - ||| Over 500 BTC in Progressive Jackpots! ||| - page 83. (Read 143509 times)
February 11, 2013, 10:59:42 AM
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January 30, 2013, 08:53:36 AM
I love BlackJack
January 28, 2013, 11:51:21 PM
January 28, 2013, 01:52:09 PM
You have a return of -1 for non paying hands. For the other hands you're showing the payout, not the profit, so you should do the same for the non paying hands. The payout is 0. We have to either use 'payout' everywhere, or 'profit' everywhere. We can't mix them.
You've calculated that the expected return per 1 chip play is negative... That's a house edge of over 100%.
Your 87588 figure is how big the pot would have to be to give you a 100% house edge if you did actually take 1 extra chip from the player each time they lost.
Here's my calculation of the required pot to make a 100% payout:
Code:
777d 2149 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.0074
777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104
777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950
77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553
77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036
7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564
lose 0 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 0.0000
------ -------- ------------ ---------- ------
all 17373720 1.0000000000 1.000 0.6280
total payout is 10910940 / 17373720 = 0.628014
extra payout needed from jackpot to make 100% is 6462780 / 17373720 = 0.371986
each chip in pot adds 60 to numerator, so need to add 6462780 / 60 = 107713 to pot
so pot needs to be current pot (2149) + 107713 = 109862
and here's the same table with the 109k jackpot:
Code:
777d 109862 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.3794
777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104
777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950
77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553
77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036
7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564
lose 0 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 0.0000
------ -------- ------------ ---------- ------
all 17373720 1.0000000000 1.000 1.0000
Here's your 100% house edge game (0% payout) where the player gets a negative payout when they lose:
Code:
777d 87588 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.3025
777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104
777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950
77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553
77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036
7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564
lose -1 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 -0.9231
------ -------- ------------ ---------- ------
all 17373720 1.0000000000 1.000 0.0000
January 28, 2013, 01:09:47 PM
cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.
Still having problems, Is their any instructions on how to deposit step by step as saying invalid address to deposit to.
If you reload the page (bitcoinvideocasino.com) you should get a new address. If you're getting "invalid address" can you tell me what address it is giving you?
I think he's trying to deposit to the secret key in the site's URL:
instead of the address shown at the bottom of the page:
(but that's just a guess - and that's not my real account - it's a new throwaway one).
January 28, 2013, 09:57:58 AM
cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.
Still having problems, Is their any instructions on how to deposit step by step as saying invalid address to deposit to.
If you reload the page (bitcoinvideocasino.com) you should get a new address. If you're getting "invalid address" can you tell me what address it is giving you?
January 28, 2013, 05:44:44 AM
cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.
Still having problems, Is their any instructions on how to deposit step by step as saying invalid address to deposit to.
January 28, 2013, 03:38:42 AM
cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.
January 28, 2013, 02:19:44 AM
cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
January 28, 2013, 01:54:04 AM
The two terms I have differently are:
250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)
1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240
Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:
http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA
How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?
250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)
1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240
Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:
http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA
How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?
There are indeed 240 ways to get 3 suited 7's, but 60 of them are diamonds, so only 180 are non-diamonds.
As for the 250 win, there are 20*19*18 = 6840 ways to get 3 sevens. 4*5*4*3 = 240 of them are suited, so 6840-240 = 6600 are unsuited. Your 5400 number doesn't include the case where the first two 7's are suited, but the 3rd isn't.
My numbers:
Code:
result pay perms probability odds payout
------ --- -------- ------------ --------- ------
lose 0 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 0.0000
7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564
77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036
77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553
777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950
777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104
777d 2149 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.0074
total payout is 62.801514%
Edit: I notice that in you image the numbers in cells B8-B14 don't sum to the number in B15:
Code:
>>> 60+240+5400+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of your permutations)
17372580
>>> 60+180+6600+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of my permutations)
17373720
>>> 260*259*258 # (real total number of permutations)
17373720
OK, you're right on both the two numbers: 180 for the three suited 7s because diamonds don't count, and I now have the same number you do for the 250 win. I'm still computing about 87 btc as the break even point.
http://imgur.com/tCvzdXx
The numbers seem to add up too. Any ideas?
January 25, 2013, 02:28:44 PM
The two terms I have differently are:
250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)
1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240
Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:
http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA
How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?
250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)
1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240
Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:
http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA
How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?
There are indeed 240 ways to get 3 suited 7's, but 60 of them are diamonds, so only 180 are non-diamonds.
As for the 250 win, there are 20*19*18 = 6840 ways to get 3 sevens. 4*5*4*3 = 240 of them are suited, so 6840-240 = 6600 are unsuited. Your 5400 number doesn't include the case where the first two 7's are suited, but the 3rd isn't.
My numbers:
Code:
result pay perms probability odds payout
------ --- -------- ------------ --------- ------
lose 0 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 0.0000
7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564
77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036
77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553
777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950
777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104
777d 2149 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.0074
total payout is 62.801514%
Edit: I notice that in you image the numbers in cells B8-B14 don't sum to the number in B15:
Code:
>>> 60+240+5400+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of your permutations)
17372580
>>> 60+180+6600+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of my permutations)
17373720
>>> 260*259*258 # (real total number of permutations)
17373720
January 25, 2013, 10:30:22 AM
Awesome! Im a blackjack addict il definitly be playing this.
January 25, 2013, 05:41:10 AM
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
I made it around 110 BTC:
Code:
>>> (260*259*258 - 5 * 20*240*258 - 25 * 20*15*240 - 50 * 5*4*4*240 - 250 * (20*19*18 - 5*4*3*4) - 1000 * 5*4*3*3) / (5*4*3)
109862
That's assuming you always deal 3 cards to the player. In practice the player will probably stand with 77 vs 6, not hit to see the 3rd card.
The two terms I have differently are:
250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600)
1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240
Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven:
http://imgur.com/RJnIBbA
How did you pick the numbers for the 250 win?
edit: fixed another number
January 25, 2013, 05:16:16 AM
Couple updates:
1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.
2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.
3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!
4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!
This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.
2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.
3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!
4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!
Quote
Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).
This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
First three cards? It is the first three cards.. or do you mean the first two cards?
Hmm. First 7 / First 2 sevens / First 3 sevens. If there's something other than a 7, then cards after it do not count.
So, if your first three cards are:
7-2-2 you get: one seven
7-7-2 two sevens
7-7-7 three sevens
7-A-7 one seven
6-7-7 zero sevens
Does that clear it up?
January 25, 2013, 04:41:50 AM
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
I made it around 110 BTC:
Code:
>>> (260*259*258 - 5 * 20*240*258 - 25 * 20*15*240 - 50 * 5*4*4*240 - 250 * (20*19*18 - 5*4*3*4) - 1000 * 5*4*3*3) / (5*4*3)
109862
That's assuming you always deal 3 cards to the player. In practice the player will probably stand with 77 vs 6, not hit to see the 3rd card.
January 25, 2013, 03:55:31 AM
Couple updates:
1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.
2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.
3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!
4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!
This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.
2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.
3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!
4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!
Quote
Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).
This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
First three cards? It is the first three cards.. or do you mean the first two cards?
January 25, 2013, 03:29:55 AM
Couple updates:
1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.
2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.
3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!
4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!
This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar.
2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail.
3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits!
4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed!
Quote
Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).
This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players.
FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
January 25, 2013, 02:32:05 AM
No surrender (yet, we just haven't implemented this. Do you think it's wanted?)
Every little bit helps. Early surrender, of course, is best of all, but I don't think anyone would offer this in combination with the rest of your fairly favorable ruleset.
January 25, 2013, 02:21:25 AM
Hmm, it said "First card 7" and then "Two 7's" so yeah it's a bit confusing.
Yeah, I don't know.
I just tried calculating the expected payout, but got only 62.8%:
Code:
>>> 100 * (5 * 20*240*258 +
25 * 20*15*240 +
50 * 5*4*4*240 +
250 * (20*19*18-5*4*3*4) +
1000 * 5*4*3*3 +
2149.09 * 5*4*3*1 ) / (260*259*258)
62.80143458050435
Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).
January 25, 2013, 01:08:44 AM
I expect the 2-card outcomes refer to your first two cards only, though it would be better if that was made explicit.
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