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Quote from: giantdragon on January 10, 2013, 12:23:43 AM

I have heard that some Vegas casinos offer video poker payouts even higher than 100% in assumption that most players will not use optimal strategy. This is true for humans, but I don't think for the bots also Wink

They also probably assume that after hours of staring glassy-eyed at the screen and your fourth free martini, you'll hit the wrong buttons once or twice in that span of time.

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I have heard that some Vegas casinos offer video poker payouts even higher than 100% in assumption that most players will not use optimal strategy. This is true for humans, but I don't think for the bots also Wink

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Quote from: dooglus on January 09, 2013, 10:16:48 PM

Quote from: byronbb on January 09, 2013, 09:46:16 PM

I see there is a progressive for the RF now for 5 coin bets. At 4888 payout for the RF the game becomes 100% payout.

Only if you modify your playing strategy optimally, taking the size of the jackpot into account.

If you only know how to play optimally for a 4000 jackpot and always play that way then the pot has to reach 4921 before the game is expected to pay out 100%.

And if you're using the auto mode then it probably has to be even higher than that, since auto mode doesn't even play optimally when the pot is 4000.

Interesting. Hopefully we see the RF go well past 5000 for some serious attention to the site.

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Quote from: byronbb on January 09, 2013, 09:46:16 PM

I see there is a progressive for the RF now for 5 coin bets. At 4888 payout for the RF the game becomes 100% payout.

Only if you modify your playing strategy optimally, taking the size of the jackpot into account.

If you only know how to play optimally for a 4000 jackpot and always play that way then the pot has to reach 4921 before the game is expected to pay out 100%.

And if you're using the auto mode then it probably has to be even higher than that, since auto mode doesn't even play optimally when the pot is 4000.

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I see there is a progressive for the RF now for 5 coin bets. At 4888 payout for the RF the game becomes 100% payout.

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Quote from: darkmule on January 09, 2013, 03:45:21 PM

Off by being non-optimal, or off by not being the Wizard of Odds' strategy? The Wizard's strategy is only very slightly non-optimal.

"dial it in so it plays real 99.xx% payback"

All the wizardofodds strategies achieve 99.xx% payback, so I guess he's not complaining that it's using the wrong one.

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Quote from: Micon on January 09, 2013, 09:09:29 AM

pretty sure the hold strategy is off by a bunch in auto-play.

I would bet on it

Off by being non-optimal, or off by not being the Wizard of Odds' strategy? The Wizard's strategy is only very slightly non-optimal.

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Quote from: Micon on January 09, 2013, 09:09:29 AM

pretty sure the hold strategy is off by a bunch in auto-play.

I would bet on it

Do you have any particular examples of where the strategy is off?

I reported an issue a while ago where the auto-hold was incorrectly holding A234:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1433152

It was fixed about 5 hours later:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1433566

If you can pinpoint particular hands which the auto-hold strategy is wrong for it will be much easier to fix.

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pretty sure the hold strategy is off by a bunch in auto-play.

I would bet on it

that being said, if you could (and I know you will) dial it in so it plays real 99.xx% payback video poker on a 9-6 machine that you can auto-play, that's awesome.

so much so I did a video about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n73kg0NhJ3U

10 play autoplay dbl-dbl bonus progressive 4 of a kinds on up 1x

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Quote from: byronbb on January 08, 2013, 04:55:12 AM

Wow very nice site. I took you for a little bit after hitting quads. Need investors? Grin

~~I have seen mention of a progressive but where is this displayed?~~ What are your long term goals for max limit?

Thanks, and good job:)

We've talked about investors before, but so far we've made no decisions on that front.

Long term betting limit? I don't know. It'd be pretty cool to have 1 BTC games wouldn't it?

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Wow very nice site. I took you for a little bit after hitting quads. Need investors? Grin

~~I have seen mention of a progressive but where is this displayed?~~ What are your long term goals for max limit?

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Quote from: dooglus on January 08, 2013, 12:45:46 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 08, 2013, 12:23:19 AM

Do you mind sharing how the auto function works? Does it play perfect plays or was it crippled?

He already did:

Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 03, 2013, 11:45:36 PM

Quote from: dooglus on January 03, 2013, 06:31:00 PM

What's going on here? I was using the auto play feature, got dealt Ah 3d Tc 4h 2d and it auto-held and played the off-suit A234.

[...] I was already following that simple strategy you recommended [...]

The simple strategy I recommended was http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/

Edit: so it isn't perfect, but it's pretty good. It gets a 99.46% payout, whereas it's possible to get 99.54% if you play optimally. Also, the size of the jackpot should affect your strategy, but the 'simple strategy' doesn't take that into account. Finally, the 'simple strategy' assumes the royal flush payout is 800 times the bet, which isn't the case unless you play 5 chips at once.

That's correct, we use the strategy for choosing what to hold based on the information here:

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/

The code for the decision process is here:

https://bitcoinvideopoker.com/static/poker.js

Search for the 'recommend_hold' method.

You are more than welcome to write a better autoplay bot

We'll be formalizing the service calls in the future which should make developing better autoplayers easier:)

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 08, 2013, 12:23:19 AM

Do you mind sharing how the auto function works? Does it play perfect plays or was it crippled?

He already did:

Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 03, 2013, 11:45:36 PM

Quote from: dooglus on January 03, 2013, 06:31:00 PM

What's going on here? I was using the auto play feature, got dealt Ah 3d Tc 4h 2d and it auto-held and played the off-suit A234.

[...] I was already following that simple strategy you recommended [...]

The simple strategy I recommended was http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/

Edit: so it isn't perfect, but it's pretty good. It gets a 99.46% payout, whereas it's possible to get 99.54% if you play optimally. Also, the size of the jackpot should affect your strategy, but the 'simple strategy' doesn't take that into account. Finally, the 'simple strategy' assumes the royal flush payout is 800 times the bet, which isn't the case unless you play 5 chips at once.

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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 07, 2013, 12:32:20 PM

Quote from: giantdragon on January 06, 2013, 10:01:32 PM

You should consider opening API for the bots.

Hey! Good thing you mention this. We DO have plans to open up the platform for people to write their own playing bots.

That being said...there's nothing preventing anyone from issuing the service calls that the javascript frontend uses. We certainly have no objections to anyone using bots to play our game.

So, since we plan on doing some refactoring and improvements to the API in the future, we're going to hold off on describing all the APIs formally, since we may be changing them....but do look for it:)

BTW, peerbet is pretty cool. Nice job. Consider making it not require registration:)

Do you mind sharing how the auto function works? Does it play perfect plays or was it crippled?

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Quote from: giantdragon on January 06, 2013, 10:01:32 PM

You should consider opening API for the bots.

Hey! Good thing you mention this. We DO have plans to open up the platform for people to write their own playing bots.

That being said...there's nothing preventing anyone from issuing the service calls that the javascript frontend uses. We certainly have no objections to anyone using bots to play our game.

So, since we plan on doing some refactoring and improvements to the API in the future, we're going to hold off on describing all the APIs formally, since we may be changing them....but do look for it:)

BTW, peerbet is pretty cool. Nice job. Consider making it not require registration:)

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You should consider opening API for the bots.

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Hey, I just want to let everyone know that we've just unlocked 0.005 BTC credits. This means a RF would be worth 20 BTC if you're playing on 5 credit bets.

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Quote from: dooglus on January 06, 2013, 01:09:15 AM

How are people setting their names on your site? I'm always known as an ugly string of hex characters.

You click the little icon that looks like a head and shoulder silhouette next to the "draw" button, then it asks you to enter a name.

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Quote from: BitcoinVideoPoker on January 06, 2013, 12:06:16 AM

Weird! I just checked out the site and all 3 royal flush winners are there. When did you take that screenshot? We had some minor bug that wasn't getting all the correct data for leaderboards but we fixed that one yesterday. Take another look and see if they're there for you.

I took it at 01:10:24 PM Pacific time on 5th Jan, shortly before posting it. The top of the screen was saying there were 3 royal flushes. I see all 3 now too. Maybe it was a caching issue.

How are people setting their names on your site? I'm always known as an ugly string of hex characters.

Edit: never mind; I just noticed this in the on-site chat window:

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d6808edd64: how do you customize a handle if you want to?
Admin2: click the portrait icon below the chat box

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Quote from: dooglus on January 05, 2013, 05:13:58 PM

The top of the screen says there have been 3 royal flushes, but the "big wins" shows only 2. Does this mean that the winner of the other royal flush tried to double it and lost?

Weird! I just checked out the site and all 3 royal flush winners are there. When did you take that screenshot? We had some minor bug that wasn't getting all the correct data for leaderboards but we fixed that one yesterday. Take another look and see if they're there for you.

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