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February 23, 2017, 08:19:07 AM
#32
For someone whose only needs is to have a crypto currency to transact with and also to be able to meet its exchange in little time I am sure will go for bitcoin any day, compared to someone who is very much involved in deep web activities or always trying to stay anonymous

The problem I'm having is, that if you don't mind a transaction being public, why do you need bitcoin at all, and why can't you do it with fiat ?
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February 23, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
#31
The amount of Bitcoin is limited and monero is not.
This is the biggest different.

Yes, and this "sound money doctrine" is silly, because it makes an assumption: namely that the full market cap of currency is a monopoly.  Once you allow for competing currencies, the sound money doctrine loses its ground.
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February 23, 2017, 08:14:30 AM
#30
Make a new topic.. Bitcoin + Mixers etc vs Monero

Make a REAL comparison  Roll Eyes

Mixing on an FBI server Smiley
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February 23, 2017, 07:21:49 AM
#29

In the last days you hear a lot about Monero.

Especially in the Deep Web.

There are people who claim that it is more anonymous than Bitcoin.

That transactions cannot be crawled.


MONERO

https://getmonero.org/


 Huh  Huh  Huh  Huh

Is this it?

What do you think?

The reason why people are using the two or why one is preferred than the other to me is more of a personal reason  and nothing else. For someone whose only needs is to have a crypto currency to transact with and also to be able to meet its exchange in little time I am sure will go for bitcoin any day, compared to someone who is very much involved in deep web activities or always trying to stay anonymous without leaving any trace whatsoever, will likely tends towards Monero and I am sure in few months another crypto will still come to be more anonymous than Monero then we all then move on again.
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February 23, 2017, 06:51:28 AM
#28
Make a new topic.. Bitcoin + Mixers etc vs Monero

Make a REAL comparison  Roll Eyes

Yes, it is, bitcoin is not anonymous if compared to Monero, XMR is a killing anonymous coin, and bitcoin isn't. If bitcoin mixer can be good for Monero, that would be better, in fact Monero is more anonymous than bitcoin mixer.
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February 23, 2017, 06:06:36 AM
#27
Make a new topic.. Bitcoin + Mixers etc vs Monero

Make a REAL comparison  Roll Eyes
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February 23, 2017, 05:06:46 AM
#26
The amount of Bitcoin is limited and monero is not.
This is the biggest different.
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February 23, 2017, 04:44:03 AM
#25
Every relevant dark market website, as far as I know (now that I ever go on the darknet, just judging by the news on crypto sites) bitcoin is still king of darkmarket, so all that hype about how darkmarkets going all in on monero from a couple months ago were mostly that: hype, a short lived pump and dump.

Right now, I see no reason to diversify on Monero, im all in on BTC and im doing great.

These people are nuts.  They are graving in stone for eternity what they have been doing.  Give it 5 years, and they are all in deep dodo, when law enforcement will start looking seriously into this.

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February 23, 2017, 04:42:19 AM
#24
Bitcoin can be described as a transparent physical wallet, people are able to see the amount money inside without opening the wallet itself.

It is much much worse than that.  It is not only a transparent wallet where you can see the current state, you can also see all past expenses, to whom, and all past receivings, from whom.  In other words, it is your transparent bank account.
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February 22, 2017, 03:47:25 PM
#23
Monero is THE Thing.
The King of cryptocurrencies.

It's more private, reliable and usable. And the overal feel is just much more smooth.
All the top guys use Monero.

https://www.monero.how/why-monero-vs-bitcoin

Every relevant dark market website, as far as I know (now that I ever go on the darknet, just judging by the news on crypto sites) bitcoin is still king of darkmarket, so all that hype about how darkmarkets going all in on monero from a couple months ago were mostly that: hype, a short lived pump and dump.

Right now, I see no reason to diversify on Monero, im all in on BTC and im doing great.
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February 22, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
#22
Monero is more anonymous than bitcoin, which is only pseudo-anonymous, that is a fact. But do you seriously need more anonymous coin?
It won't be ever pushed to the level of acceptance bitcoin received, not when we are still obliged to follow legal rules and subjugate ourselves to AML/KYC law.
But if you want to use Monero as Dark Market token, yes, it is better than BTC for that purpose.

We may need to now; Denmark is trying to track down bitcoin transactions. https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_ACSpOZNN

It's about time.  Problem is, all your past transactions are graved in stone and open to the world FOREVER with bitcoin.  A surveillance state's wet dream.
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February 22, 2017, 11:15:24 AM
#21
Monero is more anonymous than bitcoin, which is only pseudo-anonymous, that is a fact. But do you seriously need more anonymous coin?
It won't be ever pushed to the level of acceptance bitcoin received, not when we are still obliged to follow legal rules and subjugate ourselves to AML/KYC law.
But if you want to use Monero as Dark Market token, yes, it is better than BTC for that purpose.

We may need to now; Denmark is trying to track down bitcoin transactions. https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_ACSpOZNN
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February 22, 2017, 10:25:40 AM
#20
Monero's anonymity feature is much better than bitcoin, but I heard ZCASH has better privacy protection than Monero, is it real? I fully trust Monero will be the great, and compete with bitcoin. XMR is better than litecoin at least.

This has already been said a few times, but the thing is essentially this:

ZCASH has in principle a better anon system, the zero knowledge proofs.  There is absolutely no way, from the block chain, to suspect any user of a note over any other note user concerning a given transaction.  You only know that a transaction is legit, but you don't know with what other transaction in the past it is related at all.

However, the way ZCASH put this into work has a big no-go: it is OPTIONAL.  This means that a note transaction can only come from any other note user, and not from a normal ZCASH user.  Now, the problem with these ZK proofs is that they are very computing intensive, and it can take several minutes on a PC to generate one (while a normal transaction takes milliseconds: it is a bitcoin transaction essentially).  So people only use notes if they have a serious incentive.  When you convert zcash to a note, this IS visible on the chain.  So you can be traced of having turned your zcash into a note.  AFTERWARDS, when you use your notes, this is totally opaque.  But you can be tagged as someone who turned his zcash into notes, and put some effort in doing so.

In monero, things are different.  There is a potential link of every transaction to only a few past transactions (one is the real one, the others are fake links).  In the forward direction, every existing transaction can be fake used in a successive transaction.  So one never knows if a given transaction is actually spent or not, but one can say that it CAME from "one of these" and MIGHT have been spent to "one of those" (or not).  If one has a potential transaction path in monero, this can be verified as a possibility, or not, on the block chain.   Many transaction histories are NOT possible given the monero block chain - which is different with the ZK proofs, where all possible combinations are equally likely (which makes ZK proof superior in principle).  Nevertheless, a few successive transactions on the monero block chain are sufficient to make the number of possibilities grow so large that the propagation of identity information is totally diluted.
What is good in monero is that this scheme is applied to EVERY transaction.  There's no distinction between those wanting anonymity, and those that do not care, and that is essential in any anonymity scheme: you shouldn't stand out as wanting it in a particular case.

ZCASH could have been superior, if the anonymity was compulsory.  As anonymity is optional, ZCASH completely wasted the advantage of its superior cryptographic scheme (probably because in reality it is too computing-intensive).
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February 22, 2017, 07:24:58 AM
#19
Monero's anonymity feature is much better than bitcoin, but I heard ZCASH has better privacy protection than Monero, is it real? I fully trust Monero will be the great, and compete with bitcoin. XMR is better than litecoin at least.
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February 22, 2017, 06:09:50 AM
#18
Monero (XMR) is very relevant, especially, when you come accross such a cases with Bitcoin:

Danish police first in the world to hunt down criminals using bitcoin:

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It seems unlikely that bitcoin is the future of crime after Berlingske reported that the Danish police brought down drug traffickers by tracing bitcoin transactions.

Check all article here:
https://thenextweb.com/eu/2017/02/21/danish-police-hunt-down-criminals-using-bitcoin/#.tnw_tijBrFKZ
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February 22, 2017, 06:03:28 AM
#17
It's all about fungibility... Money should be fungible: http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1967/what-is-fungibility-and-why-does-it-matter

How would you like it, that when you send money to someone from your bankaccount, this person can see how much money is on it, and every transaction that ever happened with it... If they dig deeper, they can see you booked a prostitute 5 weeks ago, that you sent money to some christian church (now they know your religion), that you go shopping at walmart, that you payed a fine for drunk driving 5 years ago etc... Who cares if it's illegal or not, you really want all your 'non-illegal' activities out in the open?

Who on earth would want such a thing, where your whole transaction history is out in the open... Anonimity in cryptocurrencies isn't something to go over lightly, it's essential... no anonimity = no freedom whatsoever... If you want a government with total control, then use a public transparant blockchain...

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Ever read a bank statement ?
Which are available if the cops show up..

BTC has mixers etc and FIAT compared to Crypto is not a straight forward comparison.
Most people are fine with AML laws because they know it's intention.
Are you forgetting paper money has a unique number on it ?

The creation of Monero itself is a violation of law by design.. made to circumvent countless laws that exist for a good reason.
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February 22, 2017, 05:55:53 AM
#16
Monero is more anonymous than bitcoin, which is only pseudo-anonymous, that is a fact. But do you seriously need more anonymous coin?
It won't be ever pushed to the level of acceptance bitcoin received, not when we are still obliged to follow legal rules and subjugate ourselves to AML/KYC law.
But if you want to use Monero as Dark Market token, yes, it is better than BTC for that purpose.

yup.. and i would say a coin that is future proof for speed is key not privacy.
most users are not paranoid buying drugs on DM's.
Most just want their purchase completed online with out waiting days.
Go look in the BTC section and read the topics about high BTC unconfirmed TX's 90k ?  Shocked

If you want the anon coin thing guys then get ready to battle to defend it.
It's really that simple.
You have a war brewing with legal authorities.
Pick what ever side you want but do realize you are entering a battle.

PS:
Nice advertising shit topic by the way.
Sock puppets galore LOL
Reaction from the price getting REKT and BTC shooting up ?
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February 22, 2017, 05:44:08 AM
#15
It's all about fungibility... Money should be fungible: http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1967/what-is-fungibility-and-why-does-it-matter

How would you like it, that when you send money to someone from your bankaccount, this person can see how much money is on it, and every transaction that ever happened with it... If they dig deeper, they can see you booked a prostitute 5 weeks ago, that you sent money to some christian church (now they know your religion), that you go shopping at walmart, that you payed a fine for drunk driving 5 years ago etc... Who cares if it's illegal or not, you really want all your 'non-illegal' activities out in the open?

Who on earth would want such a thing, where your whole transaction history is out in the open... Anonimity in cryptocurrencies isn't something to go over lightly, it's essential... no anonimity = no freedom whatsoever... If you want a government with total control, then use a public transparant blockchain...

best regards

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February 22, 2017, 02:25:30 AM
#14
I would go for both of them because I know that they will give me good profit in the end. But this is right:
..as long as they have a community behind them and people are actually using them,

But with my majority belief I would go for bitcoin because it's more promising and I'm basing on the interest with most of the people and also the total investment is bitcoin is seemingly higher than Monero.
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February 22, 2017, 01:29:32 AM
#13
anonymous is not necessary for a cryptocurrence, monero can't replace bitcoin even in deep web.


They can co exist,they both have both  strong point,as long as they have a community behind them and people are actually using them,but in terms of adoption I believe Bitcoin has a big edge,because of so many merchants accepting Bitcoin than Monero.
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