Topic: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 109. (Read 378996 times)

Which of these 6 points have ad hominem or appeal to authority that renders them invalid?

I see you still don't get it, as you're stuck in the XT-Core battle mindset. Core team does not decide on the future of Bitcoin. It offers a solution, provides arguments and expertise, and the economic majority is free to decide which way to go. The same goes for XT. The truth is that the economic majority has so far decided that XT is a no-go, and Core is delivering on its promises. Deal with it.

Mike has predicted Core won't raise the limit. Let's wait and see.

Carlton, talking with VeritasSapere is useless, even if you quote what he wrote before, he will always deny that and start doing some mess around that instead of admit defeat, ignoring he and leave this thread only to he is the only thing we can do to calm he down and let he see who really supports XT, that by the way seems that is supported only from VeritasSapere and nobody else

Yep, there is no other sensible way of doing it. I'm happy with Wladimir, you seem to think Mike Hearn would be a good alternative. You're entitled to your opinion, but both the miners and the users have rejected that.

So please stop labouring the point, portraying yourself as an oppressed minority. If your views of cryptocurrency are so successful, allow them to stand on their own. There cannot be two competing designs within the same single piece of software, it simply does not work that way. The idea you're trying so hard not to explicitly support for months now has been rejected. Roundly. Help us all out and do something productive instead of yet more of your shamelessly bizarre double-think-as-an-argument output ad nauseum. You're not saying anything new, or anything that's gaining an audience.

This response is mainly comprised of ad hominem and appeals to authority. The developers of Core should not be the people that decide on the future of Bitcoin. It should be the economic majority instead which is best reflected through proof of work. Saying that the miners have to upgrade is not the same as them actually voting with their hash power.

Furthermore Bitcoin Core is under the control of a single person, Wladamir does have the final say on what gets merged or not after all.

Mike is going to be contacted by some powerful people in the near future who can fully occupy all his energies into more productive directions.

Full of lies and desperation of someone who risked his entire reputation on something and lost; and now strops around like a petulant child.

Bitcoin Core has absolutely every intention of addressing block size in a way which will not compromise the security properties of Bitcoin. The issue is far more complex an nuances than Mike likes to present and scalability is a very complex issue for Bitcoin with block size being the least interesting property, but one which has the potential to change the security model and properties of what Bitcoin stands for.


A Short List of Lies:

1/ Having a set flag day does not take away miner voting, miners vote by upgrading. Additionally, having an expiry mechanism is as simple as, if by flag day we don’t have 95% adoption of the hardfork, abort. It’s a line of code.

2/ Mike claims miners will switch to BIP101 in December if Core doesn’t release a block size increase, this is a complete lie. Truth is miners have outright rejected any controversial change that does not include Bitcoin 3/ Core where the vast majority of technical experts reside. Huge exchanges have also stated they will not accept BIP101 outright. Clearly Mike is trying a game of poker here to frighten people.

3/ The Scaling Bitcoins conferences are not specifically about blocksize, but about how to scale bitcoin efficiently and without risk. Blocksize proposals were off the table at the first meeting in order to bring decorum to the debate and explain the many other aspects of scalability. The second meeting is all about specific scalability proposals which block size is a part of, but it is not the exclusive remit of the conference.

4/ The Liquid sidechain is not a competitor to Bitcoin, it will liquidity between exchanges and thus increase arbitrage. That in turn will help reduce price volatility since huge spreads wont be able to form exchanges (like right now there’s a 5–10% spread between Chinese and Western exchanges).

5/ Mike’s presentation of how things get merged in Bitcoin Core is completely wrong. Read https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

6/ Bitcoin Core is not under the control of two people, but Wladamir does have the final say on what gets merged or not and has quite rightly said he wont merge controversial changes to consensus related code. That means, consensus changes, like CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY or blocksize must have wide technical consensus.


It’s clear Mike does not like the simple fact that the vast majority of technical experts in the Bitcoin field, contribute to Bitcoin Core and not other projects. Not only that, downstream users, rely on Bitcoin Core because they know it has the expertise and stability. XT has nothing, in the short time of it’s existence, hardly any changes have been merged, and what has been has deep technical flaws. Meanwhile Bitcoin Core has made literally hundreds of improvements.

Companies are not going to follow a renegade fork and in the end, they are going to trust the technical expertise of those who can provide long term support and have a proven track record in the field.


Mike, for the love of God, just stop with this nonsense. Stop being divisive and if you can’t, go do something constructive elsewhere. At least, stop telling lies.

https://medium.com/@btcdrak/full-of-lies-and-desperation-of-someone-who-risked-his-entire-reputation-on-something-and-lost-and-6c206e68d0cf#.9vi6d25is

Too bad that for our VeritasSapere all this hurts and will try to make a cover with the next thing possible, i think we should ignore he/she because always knows how to ignore the single post thing and do the fake nerd he/she is

There's so much truth in BtcDrak's post I almost feel bad for Small Man Mikey. Almost.

A reply by BtcDrak: https://medium.com/@btcdrak/full-of-lies-and-desperation-of-someone-who-risked-his-entire-reputation-on-something-and-lost-and-6c206e68d0cf#.9vi6d25is

Small man Mikey sounding even more desperate.

Always bullish news for Bitcoin.

I'm pretty sure that we would be much better off if we had a dynamic block size limit (with the correct parameters). BIP101 is probably too big, and 12.5% YOY might be too low, both of these would eventually cause issues. It is still a hard cap which can't be changed without another fork. If we had a dynamic block size then we would not need to worry about this (unless someone tries to game the system).
I've always been against making pointless predictions as we can not know what is going to happen in the future. We can't expect any fixed
solution to be the right call.

Great article by Mike Hearn, everyone should read this.

Can you see how even well meaning people are starting to think that I said this even when I did not. This is a really horrible thing to do, you should stop doing this. You might think it accurately reflects my beliefs but it does not. I would never say that "third world problems are not my problems". You do not know me, I do care, I would never say something like that.

You can repeat this statement as many times as you like I do not care just do not put it into quotation marks as if I have said this, that is what makes it reprehensible and the equivalent of fraud, libel and slander.

yep, I prefer to avoid deleting as much as I can

mess with the best, die like the rest.

hostfat becamed mod most likely because is more serious of the other users, if you check the ita section you will find out that he split the offtopic posts from the single thread when needed

Well these are some very personal attacks and accusations he is making in this piece.

He better have his house and behind squeaky clean. (which already know he doesn't).

Definitely, dude deserves to be ostracized from the ecosystem.

Some will claim him as a martyr of the XT jihad, oh well... I don't adhere to their religion so I couldn't care less