Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud) - page 107.

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 11:17:15 AM

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

I am happy that we have a choice of implementations, I am also looking forward to their being more alternatives for us to choose from. Thinking that there should only be one implementation of Bitcoin is indeed a totalitarian mentality.

It most certainly is, and the reason, yet again, is that the peer-to-peer network needs to follow common consensus rules to make sure that the blockchain data remains consensual between nodes.

Is it just me, or am I only just recognising the subtlety of this approach at killing bitcoin decentralisation: propose 1 client fork, fail. propose (+ promote) multiple blockchain forks. Like that's supposed to be a better idea than just 1 fork of the main chain.

This does not change the simple truth that having only predominant implementation which is effectively controlled by one person is the equivalent of totalitarianism for Bitcoin. Having multiple implementations equals having multiple choices. Only having a single choice decided by a small group of technocrats is not the type of freedom I signed up for. Consensus is not an excuse for totalitarianism, Bitcoin is not as fragile as you think it is, it will survive multiple forks.

I thought I asked you to stop promoting disgusting lies Angry

Do you understand open-source software Huh

Apparently you don't.

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 10:12:10 AM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

I am happy that we have a choice of implementations, I am also looking forward to their being more alternatives for us to choose from. Thinking that there should only be one implementation of Bitcoin is indeed a totalitarian mentality.

It most certainly is, and the reason, yet again, is that the peer-to-peer network needs to follow common consensus rules to make sure that the blockchain data remains consensual between nodes.

Is it just me, or am I only just recognising the subtlety of this approach at killing bitcoin decentralisation: propose 1 client fork, fail. propose (+ promote) multiple blockchain forks. Like that's supposed to be a better idea than just 1 fork of the main chain.

This does not change the simple truth that having only predominant implementation which is effectively controlled by one person is the equivalent of totalitarianism for Bitcoin. Having multiple implementations equals having multiple choices. Only having a single choice decided by a small group of technocrats is not the type of freedom I signed up for. Consensus is not an excuse for totalitarianism, Bitcoin is not as fragile as you think it is, it will survive multiple forks.

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 11:07:40 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 02, 2015, 05:44:52 PM

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

https://medium.com/@riprowan/the-entire-debate-transcends-block-sizes-and-gets-to-the-fundamental-principles-of-bitcoin-as-c7f7bc1a493#.qj0wwps11

Everyone should read this.

Why don't you join the phorkers forum and leave us alone already?

https://bitco.in/forum/

No one cares about you opinion. Sorry Sad

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 02, 2015, 05:44:52 PM

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

https://medium.com/@riprowan/the-entire-debate-transcends-block-sizes-and-gets-to-the-fundamental-principles-of-bitcoin-as-c7f7bc1a493#.qj0wwps11

Everyone should read this.

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 10:04:12 AM

Doesn't matter if you promote Blockthestream fulltime as a volunteer or as a paid shill. Developer decentralization can not be prevented.

It's ironic that you unconsciously use these epithets (dare I say it, ad ho..... oh why bother) against Blockstream, when they're taking the opposite approach when expressing their intent with their software engineering. You know, doing something positive.

They're developing new ways of writing the transaction signatures such that they occupy less space per additional signature. Making better use of the blockchain resource, instead of pushing that (soon to be) redundant data onto the blockchain. It's genuine, thought-through computer science innovation like that that's going to improve access to the Bitcoin network, not just ceaselessly repeating a simplistic and pernicious non-solution.

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 10:12:10 AM

Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

Maybe it would be wiser to acknowledge that the price has nothing to do with the blocksize debate.

Which was the way in which it was brought up. Do wise people always announce the quality of their wisdom as it is delivered?

Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

I am happy that we have a choice of implementations, I am also looking forward to their being more alternatives for us to choose from. Thinking that there should only be one implementation of Bitcoin is indeed a totalitarian mentality.

It most certainly is, and the reason, yet again, is that the peer-to-peer network needs to follow common consensus rules to make sure that the blockchain data remains consensual between nodes.

Is it just me, or am I only just recognising the subtlety of this approach at killing bitcoin decentralisation: propose 1 client fork, fail. propose (+ promote) multiple blockchain forks. Like that's supposed to be a better idea than just 1 fork of the main chain Roll Eyes

Pretend "it's just another implementation" when it has clear intent to diverge from existing consensus rules.

Fortunately it has been all too easy to see through their lies and manipulation

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Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

Maybe it would be wiser to acknowledge that the price has nothing to do with the blocksize debate.

Which was the way in which it was brought up. Do wise people always announce the quality of their wisdom as it is delivered?

Quote from: VeritasSapere on November 03, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

I am happy that we have a choice of implementations, I am also looking forward to their being more alternatives for us to choose from. Thinking that there should only be one implementation of Bitcoin is indeed a totalitarian mentality.

It most certainly is, and the reason, yet again, is that the peer-to-peer network needs to follow common consensus rules to make sure that the blockchain data remains consensual between nodes.

Is it just me, or am I only just recognising the subtlety of this approach at killing bitcoin decentralisation: propose 1 client fork, fail. propose (+ promote) multiple blockchain forks. Like that's supposed to be a better idea than just 1 fork of the main chain Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 10:04:12 AM

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 09:21:21 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 05:56:30 AM

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

Consult a professional, you've turned full retard.

Funny thing is price started launching up after Blockstream's Liquid announcement Cheesy

Doesn't matter if you promote Blockthestream fulltime as a volunteer or as a paid shill. Developer decentralization can not be prevented.

Indeed, repo is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin

Anyone is free to contribute but don't expect to be welcomed warmly if you attempt to insert blacklists and blockchain bloating code Wink

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Quote from: brg444 on November 03, 2015, 09:34:37 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 09:21:21 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 05:56:30 AM

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

Consult a professional, you've turned full retard.

Funny thing is price started launching up after Blockstream's Liquid announcement Cheesy

Doesn't matter if you promote Blockthestream fulltime as a volunteer or as a paid shill. Developer decentralization can not be prevented.

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Maybe it would be wiser to acknowledge that the price has nothing to do with the blocksize debate.

I am happy that we have a choice of implementations, I am also looking forward to their being more alternatives for us to choose from. Thinking that there should only be one implementation of Bitcoin is indeed a totalitarian mentality.

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Quote from: brg444 on November 03, 2015, 09:38:06 AM

It's more likely not a soul in the Bitcoin Chinese world knows about XT Cheesy

Yeah because otherwise the fork could already happen or maybe because they knows what is a fake and what is real they decided to stay to what is real and leave the fake die

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It's more likely not a soul in the Bitcoin Chinese world knows about XT Cheesy

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 09:21:21 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 05:56:30 AM

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

Consult a professional, you've turned full retard.

Funny thing is price started launching up after Blockstream's Liquid announcement Cheesy

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 09:21:21 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 05:56:30 AM

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

*cough* somebody here is forgetting the mess that started in china exactly when the new increase of price happened *cough* and still is incredible how many still insist on following dreams that could put some blocks for new bitcoin users in the future because not everybody could like to use a web wallet and will download the windows/mac/linux (even if i hate to make mac and linux two different voices because they are the same thing) and of course the increasing in size blockchain that thanks to big blocks will ask in the future an entire hard disk dedicated to it

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on November 03, 2015, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 05:56:30 AM

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

As I wrote, the price went up because everybody knows now that there is choice. If the blockstream core devs will be stupid enough to prolong the stalemate into the next txs explosion, their implementation can be replaced by at least another one that is ready. The more alternative implementations we get, the better.

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Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 05:56:30 AM

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

Hang on, you're saying the price went up because XT..... failed to attract a userbase?

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 03, 2015, 06:58:31 AM

Bitcoin is going up since there is choice, which means that the totalitarian, centralist corporatist dev situation is history.
As soon as txs numbers explode, core will implode.

So, the Goldman Sachs funded corporations (Circle etc) that were pushing for XT are some kind of diplomatic-cable-leaking cypherpunks? Please. No-one believes your nonsense.

Once version 0.12 of the core client is released, the steps to get Lightning hubs running can begin. The solutions are on the table, we understand the technical reasons for that approach, and XT/BIP101 cannot compete on all levels now, possibly including even rollout timeframe that Hearn and Andresen thought they could take for granted.

There's your free market: the free market of superior software design, freely chosen by an informed userbase who have demonstrably rejected XT, BIP101 and the rest of Hearn's terrible ideas countless times. We're going to keep rejecting them, because the ideas are not getting any better upon further examination; on the contrary, they appear progressively worse the more time you have to think about it.

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Quote from: hdbuck on November 03, 2015, 06:28:50 AM

Quote from: sgbett on November 03, 2015, 06:05:27 AM

Even when Ice'n'Berg are tragically embarrassed by what happens in the real world, this thread still won't matter.

in real world, and more precisely *now*, bitcoin is acknowledging it by going up,

Bitcoin is going up since there is choice, which means that the totalitarian, centralist corporatist dev situation is history.
As soon as txs numbers explode, core will implode.

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Quote from: sgbett on November 03, 2015, 06:05:27 AM

Even when Ice'n'Berg are tragically embarrassed by what happens in the real world, this thread still won't matter.

in real world, Core rulez, XTards butthurt.

in real world, and more precisely *now*, bitcoin is acknowledging it by going up, regardless of blocksize sterile projections and the monster fud you wannabes spread for months.

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Even when Ice'n'Berg are tragically embarrassed by what happens in the real world, this thread still won't matter.

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Quote from: muyuu on November 03, 2015, 01:57:58 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on November 02, 2015, 05:44:52 PM

The days of the totalitarians are numbered. Zero chance to stay in charge.

If you mean Hearn and his one-guy-in-charge-and-not-even-a-competent-one model, then yeah I agree.

Of course not. We have Totalitarianism as long as we don't have choice. Since there is the first alt Implementation on the market that is ready for the next txs number explosion, the totalitarian developer situation terminated. The price is reflecting the new situation. The attempt to take over bitcoin by taking over the core developers by blockthestream inc. failed miserably.

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