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hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy

Completely irrelevant comment.

Irrelevant? I don't see how.

These companies are irrelevant yes since most of them are only banking parasites trying to fit Bitcoin into their paradigm attempting to create closed gardens they can control.


Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Enough said. You are completely disconnected from reality and contradicting yourself.
Oh sorry it didn't know you had never heard of open-source
Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.
It being open source does not change the contradiction.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy

Completely irrelevant comment.

Irrelevant? I don't see how.

These companies are irrelevant yes since most of them are only banking parasites trying to fit Bitcoin into their paradigm attempting to create closed gardens they can control.


Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Enough said. You are completely disconnected from reality and contradicting yourself.

Oh sorry it didn't know you had never heard of open-source

You are referring vaperware companies that does not exists while ignoring the needs of the actual market.

Enough said. Prepare yourself to be forked out by the real market that have real immediate needs.  
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
Is that not allowed? Perhaps I need to be "moderated"!

tell me brg444 why miners couldn't get together and start mining bigger blocks?

Blocks are full, transactions are backing up, fees are rising such that it would make a significant difference to the block reward if you could include twice as many transactions.

AntPool, F2Pool, BTCChina, BW Mining, and Huobi see that this is the case, and having over 50% of hash rate figure that if they all start mining and accepting 2MB blocks then they are on balance going to generate more revenue.

What is to stop them hard forking?

You can't be serious....

Do you know what a hard fork is?

I know you are desperate for me to be wrong, but you should set it aside. Its clouding your ability to grok anything.

You know what you are right, I forgot that nodes have to relay blocks not just transactions.

That could be a problem then!

Don't mind me just preserving that for posterity




 Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy

Completely irrelevant comment.

Irrelevant? I don't see how.

These companies are irrelevant yes since most of them are only banking parasites trying to fit Bitcoin into their paradigm attempting to create closed gardens they can control.


Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Enough said. You are completely disconnected from reality and contradicting yourself.

Oh sorry it didn't know you had never heard of open-source
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy

Completely irrelevant comment.

Irrelevant? I don't see how.

These companies are irrelevant yes since most of them are only banking parasites trying to fit Bitcoin into their paradigm attempting to create closed gardens they can control.


Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Enough said. You are completely disconnected from reality and contradicting yourself.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy

Completely irrelevant comment.

Irrelevant? I don't see how.

These companies are irrelevant yes since most of them are only banking parasites trying to fit Bitcoin into their paradigm attempting to create closed gardens they can control.

A majority of them have no Bitcoin balance to speak of and are nothing but a bunch of old fiat money infrastructures and bureaucracy. It's likely half the amount of their venture raises are used to bribe financial and government officials so they can also get in the club.

As any entity on the Bitcoin network they are to be judged on their peer participation, bitcoin balance and reputation.

Your delusion that they have any importance is spurious and demonstrates how much of a low level noob you are. Bitcoin doesn't need these VCs and these entrepreneurs. It will succeed as a store of value and a peer-to-peer network for private payments. We absolutely can make it without your broken consumer attittude and your "mass adopters". Any thing the masses cling to typically turns into a worthless piece of shit anyway.

We stand to make sure this doesn't happen to Bitcoin and that's why if you're not happy with the code, fork yourself.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy

Completely irrelevant comment.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

What a lame with his fiat companies  Cheesy

How many of these have positive cash flow denominated in Bitcoin?

 Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..
Bitcoin is a settlement system and a currency, and many more things, your conception of Bitcoin is restricted and narrow, fortunately not everyone agrees with you. Cryptocurrency will rise and triumph regardless. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
--------------->¿?
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..

Yup but it didn't make any sense from any economic point of view and none actual bitcoin financial institutions want this anyway.

http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/24/industry-endorses-bigger-blocks-and-bip101/

So it won't happen and bitcoin will be forked out at some point.

hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does not live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.
lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Quoting Satoshi Nakamoto:
"I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large (bitcoin) transaction volume or no volume."

Yes, Satoshi had forethought of the payment channels and other open networks I'm referring to. I'm sure he knew someone would come up with something like Lightning.
legendary
Activity: 2044
Merit: 1005
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does niot live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
Ive already gone through all of this with you on why andd how bitcoin is a settlement system..
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does not live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.
lol this is blatantly false and you know it.

Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto
"I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large (bitcoin) transaction volume or no volume."
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does not live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful to transact on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.

lol this is blatantly false and you know it.
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.
The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.
The vast majority of Bitcoin users do not run full nodes, smart phones can not run full nodes after all. I also very much doubt that every user in the future that does not live in the developed world will be able to run a full node either. People can use Bitcoin without running a full node, while still holding their own private keys and being able to transact freely on the Bitcoin blockchain.

Yes, and it's a shame they pretend to be Bitcoin, a purely peer-to-peer form of electronic cash, users.

Of course no one is proposing you shouldn't run Bitcoin on your smartphone, but to be safe you should first be generally careful about doing that and the first sane thing to do is to still rely on your node to broadcast transactions.

Of course this is all irrelevant anyway seeing as it is all part of your repeated attempts to turn Bitcoin into a consumer product which does not fly. Yes you are free to spend Bitcoin and trust an SPV wallet using your smartphone but I frankly think at that point you might want to pull out your credit card. Again, I don't care about your ideology or "what you think", I'm just saying don't expect any typical retarded consumer to adopt this.

Soon enough it will seem economically wasteful for retail transaction to happen on the Bitcoin blockchain. Large scale open source payment systems will prove to be more efficient, flexible and almost as reliable as regular blockchain transactions. The experience will be unlike anything in the Bitcoin ecosystem right now. Payment addresses will be abstracted, transactions will be instant, privacy will be improved.

Bitcoin's blockchain will forever remain a low-velocity network settlement network. It is was it was engineeringly designed to be.
legendary
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.

I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.

The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.

What's the point of running a full node if you can't use it because blocks are bloated anyway.

"Running a node is the only way to verify you balance privately without signaling your intention to the NSA"

Your full node is to be used in the future mostly to settle or resolve disputes between the numerous open source payment systems to come.



Which means running a full node will become useless for almost everybody but financial institutions to settle their interbank payments. Not very useful for you and me.
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.
All transactions do not need to be censorship-proof in a world where censorship-proof transactions exist. The possibility of censorship-proof transactions by itself will cut down on censorship because it will be seen as futile.
Then every altcoin can fill that purpose no?
That is true, no matter what happens to Bitcoin, the crypto revolution will stay alive because of altcoins. Smiley
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.

All transactions do not need to be censorship-proof in a world where censorship-proof transactions exist. The possibility of censorship-proof transactions by itself will cut down on censorship because it will be seen as futile.

Then every altcoin can fill that purpose no?
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Activity: 546
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You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.

All transactions do not need to be censorship-proof in a world where censorship-proof transactions exist. The possibility of censorship-proof transactions by itself will cut down on censorship because it will be seen as futile.
I agree, however with one megabyte blocks at greater levels of adoption, it would lead to centralization in terms of the limited amount of competing third party payment processors or banks. Since in order to transact with the Bitcoin blockchain directly the average person would be priced out by having to compete with payment processors and banks over the limited space. I do not think that situation would arise because of the existence of competing altcoins however hypothetically this limited group of payment processors and banks could become points of censorship as well. Much worse obviously then a blockchain that more people can use directly.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/permanently-keeping-the-1mb-anti-spam-restriction-is-a-great-idea-946236
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Activity: 644
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
You think that most people should rely on off chain solutions? Needing third parties in order to transact in Bitcoin defeats part of the purpose. We should be able to use the Bitcoin Blockchain directly, off chain solutions do not truly increase the throughput of the Bitcoin blockchain.

I think icebreaker missed that part:

Quote from: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party.

The only way to use Bitcoin without relying on a third party is to run a full node. How else do you propagate your transactions privately.

What's the point of running a full node if you can't use it because blocks are bloated anyway.

"Running a node is the only way to verify you balance privately without signaling your intention to the NSA"

Your full node is to be used in the future mostly to settle or resolve disputes between the numerous open source payment systems to come.

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