BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today - page 4.

Peter Lambert

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How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.

~~Your~~ You're being sarcastic , right?

No, I am being serious.

Thanks for the lesson in grammar. The Internet is a much better place with people like you correcting everyone's English.

But seriously, is this like double sarcasm? I can't believe that you are serious

You honestly think the exchange where the only really active stock is the exchange itself is the most serious exchange? You've gotta be kidding.

And hold on, you think that volume is legitimate? You think people are actually investing in that site and the volume isn't faked?

Dude... Seriously?!!

You're welcome, I am glad to help you learn to write better.

No, it is not sarcasm (and that is not triple sarcasm either). If I was not being serious I would admit that.

If they were faking volume, why would they only be doing it on one listing instead of all the stocks?

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Quote from: Peter Lambert on May 09, 2014, 11:23:03 AM

Quote from: mikemikemike on May 09, 2014, 11:19:27 AM

Quote from: Peter Lambert on May 09, 2014, 11:03:19 AM

How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.

~~Your~~ You're being sarcastic , right?

No, I am being serious.

Thanks for the lesson in grammar. The Internet is a much better place with people like you correcting everyone's English.

But seriously, is this like double sarcasm? I can't believe that you are serious

You honestly think the exchange where the only really active stock is the exchange itself is the most serious exchange? You've gotta be kidding.

And hold on, you think that volume is legitimate? You think people are actually investing in that site and the volume isn't faked?

Dude... Seriously?!!

Peter Lambert

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Quote from: mikemikemike on May 09, 2014, 11:19:27 AM

Quote from: Peter Lambert on May 09, 2014, 11:03:19 AM

How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.

~~Your~~ You're being sarcastic , right?

No, I am being serious.

Maybe I should go into more detail? Havlock seems nice, but their reputation has been damaged by the recent NEOBBQ drama and their own listing, HIF. Cryptostocks is run by a known scammer, bitcoinbourse will let any scammer list. I am not sold on distributed exchanges. That leaves MPEx, the oldest exchange, they have a reputation to uphold, they use solid signed contracts for their listings, and they promote transparency (EG issuing detailed monthly reports instead of quarterly reports which do not include information an investor needs).

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Quote from: Peter Lambert on May 09, 2014, 11:03:19 AM

How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.

Your being sarcastic right?

Peter Lambert

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How does this conversation happen without anybody mentioning the oldest and only serious bitcoin stock exchange, MPEx? If you want to be taken seriously, get listed there.

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Quote from: Little P 1 on May 09, 2014, 10:38:42 AM

Dear Anotheranonlol,

Where do you advise we list then ?

Where will investors be safe ?

Kr,

Malcolm O

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569037.0;all

This is the latest in series of red flags associated with cryptostocks.

As far as safe from owners of exchange like the notorious cs you've currently listed on or god forbid.. Bitcoinbourse which I'm not sure I've heard of anyone ever contemplating trading shares on there, let alone actually taking the leap and risking it. You can choose a decentralised exchange which doesn't have an operator. Something like counterparty.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annxcp-counterparty-pioneering-peer-to-peer-finance-official-thread-395761

Frankly though, and somewhat unfortunately the market isn't really there for decentralised exchanges yet. you won't get a big audience solely listing there. users are more familiar with traditional exchanges like Havelock and seems to treat that like a stamp of approval. That's where you'd get the most volume and the highest chance of quickly raising whatever amount you were after. As far as I know they do at least perform some rudimentary due-diligence and require payment prior to listing any asset, so you calculate which one you'd be more likely to go with. Most scammers stick with CrypoStocks because it's tried and tested.

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Quote from: Little P 1 on May 09, 2014, 10:38:42 AM

Dear Anotheranonlol,

Where do you advise we list then ?

Where will investors be safe ?

Kr,

Malcolm O

On the phone to you I advised Havelock, that is probably the best one going.

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Dear Anotheranonlol,

Where do you advise we list then ?

Where will investors be safe ?

Kr,

Malcolm O

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Quote from: rethink-your-strategy on May 09, 2014, 09:12:24 AM

Quote from: MrWDunne on May 09, 2014, 08:12:17 AM

We're listed on there, simply to give anyone who want to buy some choice.

I have already brought up most of these issues with the guy who runs it, in particular the lack of historical trade data and the companies he puts on there.

I don't think he's a scammer, but we're not pushing the site either. We'd rather people use CounterParty.

Da fuq is wrong with you, son? Investors don't want a choice of exchanges, they just want to be able to buy and trade on an exchange that isn't a blatant scam and could disappear at any moment with their funds. Choosing to list with BitcoinBourse hurts your credibility more than it hurts them.

Exactly, Nobody in their right mind would invest in anything listed on cryptostocks or bitcoinbourse

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Quote from: rethink-your-strategy on May 09, 2014, 09:12:24 AM

Quote from: MrWDunne on May 09, 2014, 08:12:17 AM

We're listed on there, simply to give anyone who want to buy some choice.

I have already brought up most of these issues with the guy who runs it, in particular the lack of historical trade data and the companies he puts on there.

I don't think he's a scammer, but we're not pushing the site either. We'd rather people use CounterParty.

Da fuq is wrong with you, son? Investors don't want a choice of exchanges, they just want to be able to buy and trade on an exchange that isn't a blatant scam and could disappear at any moment with their funds. Choosing to list with BitcoinBourse hurts your credibility more than it hurts them.

The other exchange is counterparty. Some people dislike the fact it is decentralized.

BitcoinBourse is not even listed in our investment prospectus, we just tell people if they say they don't want to use counterparty.

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Why do you need to be listed on more than one exchange? That seems more than a little retarded and you're just making way too much extra work for yourself. Are you trying to pull a Neo&Bee?
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Certainly not in fact have a listen to my thoughts on that aspect here. Click the NEO audio link.

I am not a crypto security listing expert. I really just want to get to running the business.

However we wanted to make our shares available to as many people as possible.

If you have ideas or advice for me please feel free to pm me.

Kr,

Malcolm O

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Quote from: DrGregMulhauser on May 09, 2014, 06:22:16 AM

Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother.

Otherwise sensible people, who would never touch such junk if it were denominated in dollars or pounds, nonetheless will plough significant chunks of capital into these things if they happen to be denominated in Bitcoin. Otherwise sensible people, who would normally care a great deal about factors like management competence or the logical coherence of a business plan, suddenly become entirely happy to throw a stack of BTC at some guy named Guido (no offense to all the Guido people out there) just because Guido includes words like "venture" or "mining" in a prospectus.

If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better.

I was going to type a proper reply to this but I can't decide if you're just stupid or just trolling. And I don't want to waste my time responding to a troll.

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Quote from: MrWDunne on May 09, 2014, 08:12:17 AM

We're listed on there, simply to give anyone who want to buy some choice.

I have already brought up most of these issues with the guy who runs it, in particular the lack of historical trade data and the companies he puts on there.

I don't think he's a scammer, but we're not pushing the site either. We'd rather people use CounterParty.

Da fuq is wrong with you, son? Investors don't want a choice of exchanges, they just want to be able to buy and trade on an exchange that isn't a blatant scam and could disappear at any moment with their funds. Choosing to list with BitcoinBourse hurts your credibility more than it hurts them.

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Quote from: Little P 1 on May 09, 2014, 07:51:13 AM

Quote from: DrGregMulhauser, post: 6332459, member: 129438

Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother.
Otherwise sensible people, who would never touch such junk if it were denominated in dollars or pounds, nonetheless will plough significant chunks of capital into these things if they happen to be denominated in Bitcoin. Otherwise sensible people, who would normally care a great deal about factors like management competence or the logical coherence of a business plan, suddenly become entirely happy to throw a stack of BTC at some guy named Guido (no offense to all the Guido people out there) just because Guido includes words like "venture" or "mining" in a prospectus.
If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better.

Dear Dr Greg,

I hope your well.

I have experience in the private equity and investment management experience I am also the founder of Cryptovest Financial Services. www.cryptovest.co.uk

I think investing in the S & P 500 is a viable option however many crypto investors have higher risk tolerance and so investing with normal fiat is suitable.

There are alot of frogs out there but take your time and you will find a few princes. We certainly did.

I respectfully disagree with the statement that "the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk".

On Bitcoin Bourse I certainly think their platform can be improved but they are trying.
I enjoyed talking to them and look forward to meeting them face to face next year.

I think ( not sure) that they lock the posts because they are making an announcement not trying to start a conversation but it would be good to let the conversation flow.

We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126 and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two.

Kr,

Malcolm O

Why do you need to be listed on more than one exchange? That seems more than a little retarded and you're just making way too much extra work for yourself. Are you trying to pull a Neo&Bee?

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Quote from: Little P 1 on May 09, 2014, 07:51:13 AM

Dear Dr Greg,

I hope your well.

I have experience in the private equity and investment management experience I am also the founder of Cryptovest Financial Services. www.cryptovest.co.uk
...
There are alot of frogs out there but take your time and you will find a few princes. We certainly did...

^Only in fairy tales will you find a prince in a frog pond.
Before regaling us with such fairy tales, learn to spellink and punctuationz pl0x.

@MrWDunne: you're no longer amusing. Plz hunt responsibly Angry

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6139952
Also get some clean socks.

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Quote from: MrWDunne on May 09, 2014, 08:12:17 AM

I don't think he's a scammer

I have no stake in this, but I happen to have interacted with Markus Weiler a couple of times already, my opinion on him is : "the guy does not even have the intellectual ability to be a scammer".

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We're listed on there, simply to give anyone who want to buy some choice.

I have already brought up most of these issues with the guy who runs it, in particular the lack of historical trade data and the companies he puts on there.

I don't think he's a scammer, but we're not pushing the site either. We'd rather people use CounterParty.

Little P 1

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Quote from: DrGregMulhauser, post: 6332459, member: 129438

Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother.
Otherwise sensible people, who would never touch such junk if it were denominated in dollars or pounds, nonetheless will plough significant chunks of capital into these things if they happen to be denominated in Bitcoin. Otherwise sensible people, who would normally care a great deal about factors like management competence or the logical coherence of a business plan, suddenly become entirely happy to throw a stack of BTC at some guy named Guido (no offense to all the Guido people out there) just because Guido includes words like "venture" or "mining" in a prospectus.
If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better.

Dear Dr Greg,

I hope your well.

I have experience in the private equity and investment management experience I am also the founder of Cryptovest Financial Services. www.cryptovest.co.uk

I think investing in the S & P 500 is a viable option however many crypto investors have higher risk tolerance and so investing with normal fiat is suitable.

There are alot of frogs out there but take your time and you will find a few princes. We certainly did.

I respectfully disagree with the statement that "the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk".

On Bitcoin Bourse I certainly think their platform can be improved but they are trying.
I enjoyed talking to them and look forward to meeting them face to face next year.

I think ( not sure) that they lock the posts because they are making an announcement not trying to start a conversation but it would be good to let the conversation flow.

We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126 and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two.

Kr,

Malcolm O

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Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother.

Otherwise sensible people, who would never touch such junk if it were denominated in dollars or pounds, nonetheless will plough significant chunks of capital into these things if they happen to be denominated in Bitcoin. Otherwise sensible people, who would normally care a great deal about factors like management competence or the logical coherence of a business plan, suddenly become entirely happy to throw a stack of BTC at some guy named Guido (no offense to all the Guido people out there) just because Guido includes words like "venture" or "mining" in a prospectus.

If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better.

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I also find this "thread locking" attitude very fishy (Not that I previously hold that exchange in high regards).
I guess the best approach is to create an identical thread, but unlocked.
i.e.

Quote

New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse "CVFS" Cryptovest Property Investment Management

to

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New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse "CVFS" Cryptovest Property Investment Management [Unlocked]

...and let the discussion roll.

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