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Topic: bitcoinlivebets.com stealing all my winnings 30 BTC - page 3. (Read 14750 times)

hero member
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i am registered at more than 70 bookmakers
i have bet history from all bets

here is a snippet from bitcoinlivebets history (from my first lost account)


check the row number #5 #6 , and you are still placing bets here?   middles and both sides/bets at the same bookmakers

i will recover my lost account balance history too (from my sql database bet history) , and share it   
(  to prove the lost account withdrawals amounts too ,i got them about 1 month ago but bitcoinlivebets  try to use this/these withdrawals for proving, but what?  i do not understand )
hero member
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here is my 2 regular withdrawals when bitcoinlivebets charged the amount 0.5% :  
(on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check in in google site cache service)

3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6
about 26,474 BTC (i dont know the correct amount, lost my details) --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83



now bitcoinlivebets try to mislead bitcoincasinopro   with these transaction  that was more than 1 month ago  , check it  2013-08-28 12:47:16

as i wrote it earlier i had a lost account at their site
it can be found in my first post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3216511

"please, I moved another flat and i lost my password for this site and the password for my email address, so it was impossible to recover it and use it."

tha account we are talking about and faked was registered at  2013.08.29. 13:29  

hero member
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http://www46.zippyshare.com/v/82456415/file.html

if you have 5 minutes , please do some math , only adding numbers
you will see the reason why the fake bet stake is exactly 29,601 BTC

cos the 12 -> 1.2 and 20.89  -> 2.089 (withdrawal amount faking) conversation only could be matched with that abnormal stake
hero member
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i am an active old forum member on these sites too

Join Date: 08-09-10   http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/2593238-bicoinlivetbets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600-a.html

Registered: Nov 21, 2012  http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/bitcoinlivebets-stealing-all-my-winnings-30btc-3600/264  

i was invited to betatest to the new site of bookmakersforum  (" I (Pierluigi Buccioli, Founder of Bookmakers Review )  decided to invite a small number of players that" )





i withdrawed 28.000 EUR form mtgox in January ,  you can check it in my earlier post,  ( i got only this amount after 40 days,  there is also a topic in here, i think everybody knows about slow withdrawal of mtgox)
i got the  “Trusted” Status (Level 2)
"ALL documents must be notarized with apostille (this is mandatory and applies to customers from the countries listed under the Apostille Convention https://support.mtgox.com/entries/22138375-Apostille-needed-countries) and sent by priority mail to the address at the bottom of this page."

i share this because i think you have to know that i am not a little liar stupid kid

so you can take me seriously , when i claim that  bitcoinlivebets fake my account
sr. member
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sorry we wrote a lot of answers to you. Also discussed it here.  We have more than 600Users. There has been no problem like you anytime before.

If you want you can sure place bets in the future also on our page.
hero member
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Merit: 500
those who do not want to read all posts, here are the significant facts

i made 2 withdrawals 12 BTC and 20.89 BTC

-   but i got only 1.2 BTC and 2.089 BTC  (so only 10%)
-   and bitcoinlivebets added a fake bet to my account  


Total number of games 20.5 Romeo, Caroline - Szupper, Marlies   o   -147
Stake: 29,601000 BTC (Bet by slip 29,601000 BTC), Possible winnings: 0,000000 BTC

bitcoinlivebets claim that
   

-   in their first reply they talking about voiding my bets , breaking their rules  (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3216511)  and ” are not able to pay more than the amounts of 1.2 and 2.089 BTC „  but nothing about the fake bet (i have never placed) i earlier asked them what this bet is  http://www.imageupload.co.uk/files/mrktze2sf9ccml1l62jz.jpg )
-   i placed 10 times more amount (29,601 BTC) on that fake bet, despite of earlier my highest stake was only 3 BTC
-   they increased their maximum bet amount on 9/17/2013 , but i put my whole account balance on a noname itf tennis match, insted of such players matches as Radwanska, Gulbis, Cornet ,Becker and only after the 8th match where i could bet on with higher amount (you can check my 8 bets that i placed after 9/17/2013 , max. 2 and 3 BTC  round sums, no decimal point  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3220301#msg3220301 )
-   i withdrawed first only 1.2 BTC when my account balance was 24,24 BTC (not the half 12 BTC, only 1.2)  (in my bitcoin wallet i have more than 1000 bitcoins and i have fun with withdrawing 1.2 BTC)
-   they know that i will make another withdrawal request and so they paid it out only 53 hours later
-   i placed that fake bet when my account balance was 31,69 BTC, i opened the bet slip and typed 29,601,  consider i have never placed 3 decimal points sums,  insted of round sums at 10 times less stakes
-   and after my lost fake bet i withdrawed the remaining 2.089 BTC , and i got it after 21 hours without charged any fee (but earlier they always charged me and their customers with 0.5% fee)
-   it is only coincidence that if you count with 12 BTC withdrawal in the account balance history then exactly 20.89 remaning in my account before the they added the false bet , which equals exactly my second withdrawal request amount  (you can check it in here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3220958 )

so i had to bet on that tennis match exactly 29,601  beacuse with other amount the 12 -> 1.2  and 20.89 -> 2.089 conversation wont match  
(do not forget that bitcoinlivebets admit/shared those numbers too https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3220958 )



the fake bet match was a quarterfinal match , the winner gets $245  

(ITF Women’s Circuit $10,000 – 32 Draw (2% Fee = $200)
32 Singles 16 Doubles (per team)

Winner $1,568 $637
Finalist $ 980 $343
Semi-finalist $ 490 $196
Quarter-finalist $ 245 $ 98
Round of 16 $ 196 $ 49
Round of 32 $ 98 -
Total $7,644 $2,156

29,601 BTC is about $3600

(so if you are interested in it is time to you to launch a betting mafia, you could bet on itf tennis matches about 30 BTC on every market, (with multiple accounts more and more)  at bitcoinlivebets ,and you have to pay only a little sum to the cheating tennis player  , that would be the last day of a bookmaker who would accept such high stakes on such matches )

the maximum bet is on their site 3 BTC at this time



"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"
after 5 minutes form my post , where i said that the max is only 3 BTC , the staring page changed  



"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"  
on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check it in google site cache service

Earlier i  had 2 more withdrawals : with 0.5% fee   in my lost account , not in the new one
3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC  
https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6

26,474 BTC --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83

and here are the last two grabled withdrawals, without any fee  (1.2 and 2.089 insted of  12 and 20.89)

https://blockchain.info/de/tx/0954400b3b0a4d90063c2fc14e822a371dd58f5e0425cc2f5d1839187694eb06
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/a83779b04c91a6803b3d86bdd1378eeaee0834c2efe30ccb45a50ffc5aebd21b

(here i do not understand why the input output is much higher than the Estimated BTC Transacted)

there are 32 hours difference beetween the withdrawal requests but i got them only 2 minutes difference 53 hours (2 days 5 hours) later from my 1st withdrawal request (you can check it in the first bitcoinlivebets post in  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300044.msg3217793#msg3217793   )

bitcoinlivebets refered that they paid me out earlier 26 BTC,  but it is normal , i do not understand, perhaps they think if they paid me out earlier they did me a favor
hero member
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first i sent this picture to bitcoinlivebets, but nothing happend



here is the evidence that bitcoinlivebets faked my account history, and added a false/fake bet to my account

they also modified my first 12 BTC (half of my current balance at that moment 24,24 BTC, i decided to withdraw only half)  withdrawal to 1.2  BTC and the second one 20.89 btc  to 2.089 btc

the last two columns (that i created, you can check it if you start from the button and add the stakes, winnings and loss) shows the current account balance at that moment , the false balance and the real one
if you  count with the faked 1.2 BTC  withdrawal amount then the balance will be 31,69 BTC before they added the fake bet to my history  with 29,601 stake ,  and so remain only 2,089 BTC  on my account

but if i count with the real amount 12 BTC then the account balance will be 20,89 BTC before that fake bet, what a suprise  my second requested withdrawal amount

or can it be only coincidence that  if i count that way the sums equals

hero member
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i made video from my screen with my account history and transaction list on it,  to have more evidence before other faking happens or i cannot access to the site
legendary
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┴puoʎǝq ʞool┴
Thats why you just dont bother betting ans KEEPING your winnings online once you log off!

Always withdraw your winnings!!
hero member
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hero member
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i have also screenshots,  will share it within 10 minutes

i can give you (send pm)  pro trusted user my login details  username/pass to login and check it  please , save it, make screenshots

i have an insight that bitcoinlivebets will fake my account or make it unavailable
hero member
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here is my transaction list
No.   Point of time   Reference   Amount
14305   19.09.2013, 22:04 Uhr   Auszahlung: 1K42cYkr5wMND8myEhjfMvHxQVWmeq9Vok   -2,089000 BTC
14249   19.09.2013, 19:46 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6618   - 29,601000 BTC
14241   19.09.2013, 19:39 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6609 (Unterschein-ID 14105)   + 5,850000 BTC
14134   19.09.2013, 12:08 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6597 (Unterschein-ID 14093)   + 3,800000 BTC
13854   19.09.2013, 08:57 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6609   - 3,000000 BTC
13853   19.09.2013, 08:38 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6598 (Unterschein-ID 14094)   + 3,750000 BTC
13852   19.09.2013, 08:38 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6545 (Unterschein-ID 14041)   + 5,250000 BTC
13823   19.09.2013, 00:07 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6598   - 3,000000 BTC
13822   19.09.2013, 00:03 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6597   - 2,000000 BTC
13745   18.09.2013, 16:46 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6567   - 2,000000 BTC
13692   18.09.2013, 14:06 Uhr   Auszahlung: 1K42cYkr5wMND8myEhjfMvHxQVWmeq9Vok   -1,200000 BTC
13691   18.09.2013, 13:56 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6545   - 3,000000 BTC
13688   18.09.2013, 13:26 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6514 (Unterschein-ID 14010)   + 4,500000 BTC
13678   18.09.2013, 12:05 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6515 (Unterschein-ID 14011)   + 5,550000 BTC
13677   18.09.2013, 11:45 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6469 (Unterschein-ID 13964)   + 5,250000 BTC
13610   17.09.2013, 22:08 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6515   - 3,000000 BTC
13609   17.09.2013, 22:07 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6514   - 3,000000 BTC
13521   17.09.2013, 17:16 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6469   - 3,000000 BTC
13490   17.09.2013, 12:42 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6351 (Unterschein-ID 13830)   + 5,550000 BTC
13483   17.09.2013, 11:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6350 (Unterschein-ID 13829)   + 5,550000 BTC
13479   17.09.2013, 10:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6378 (Unterschein-ID 13857)   + 5,430000 BTC
13478   17.09.2013, 10:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6376 (Unterschein-ID 13855)   + 3,900000 BTC
13310   16.09.2013, 16:45 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6378   - 3,000000 BTC
13308   16.09.2013, 16:42 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6376   - 3,000000 BTC
13258   16.09.2013, 11:50 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6351   - 3,000000 BTC
13257   16.09.2013, 11:49 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6350   - 3,000000 BTC
13096   16.09.2013, 07:51 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 6340 (Unterschein-ID 13770)   + 1,850000 BTC
13078   16.09.2013, 01:52 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6340   - 1,000000 BTC
13074   16.09.2013, 01:27 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6338   - 3,000000 BTC
13052   15.09.2013, 22:26 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 6331   - 3,000000 BTC
10646   04.09.2013, 19:12 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5186 (Unterschein-ID 12110)   + 5,550000 BTC
10632   04.09.2013, 18:27 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5184 (Unterschein-ID 12108)   + 4,200000 BTC
10562   04.09.2013, 13:30 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5187   - 2,640000 BTC
10561   04.09.2013, 13:27 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5186   - 3,000000 BTC
10560   04.09.2013, 13:24 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5185   - 2,210000 BTC
10559   04.09.2013, 13:24 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5184   - 2,000000 BTC
10488   03.09.2013, 22:56 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5119 (Unterschein-ID 12033)   + 3,800000 BTC
10438   03.09.2013, 18:28 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5119   - 2,000000 BTC
10364   03.09.2013, 11:07 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5014 (Unterschein-ID 11928)   + 4,200000 BTC
10358   03.09.2013, 10:33 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 5016 (Unterschein-ID 11930)   + 2,100000 BTC
10349   03.09.2013, 05:32 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4916 (Unterschein-ID 11827)   + 5,700000 BTC
10263   02.09.2013, 19:51 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5017   - 1,140000 BTC
10262   02.09.2013, 19:50 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5016   - 1,000000 BTC
10261   02.09.2013, 19:48 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5015   - 2,200000 BTC
10260   02.09.2013, 19:48 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 5014   - 2,000000 BTC
10117   02.09.2013, 10:55 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4916   - 3,000000 BTC
9986   01.09.2013, 18:30 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4867   - 1,000000 BTC
9713   31.08.2013, 21:26 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4678 (Unterschein-ID 11506)   + 2,850000 BTC
9652   31.08.2013, 16:58 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4678   - 1,500000 BTC
9524   31.08.2013, 01:39 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4506 (Unterschein-ID 11331)   + 5,700000 BTC
9435   30.08.2013, 17:19 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4466 (Unterschein-ID 11291)   + 2,625000 BTC
9436   30.08.2013, 17:19 Uhr   Beim Wetten gewonnen: Wettschein 4467 (Unterschein-ID 11292)   + 2,625000 BTC
9370   30.08.2013, 00:12 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4506   - 3,000000 BTC
9311   29.08.2013, 18:15 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4467   - 1,500000 BTC
9310   29.08.2013, 18:12 Uhr   Für Wetten gesetzt: Einsatz Wettschein 4466   - 1,500000 BTC
9309   29.08.2013, 18:05 Uhr   Einzahlung:   + 8,000000 BTC
hero member
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hero member
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found this  , the fake bet that bitcoinlivebets added to my account  was a quarter final match

you can count how much money get the winner and the looser

i) ITF Women’s Circuit $10,000 – 32 Draw (2% Fee = $200)
32 Singles 16 Doubles (per team)

Winner $1,568 $637
Finalist $ 980 $343
Semi-finalist $ 490 $196
Quarter-finalist $ 245 $ 98
Round of 16 $ 196 $ 49
Round of 32 $ 98 -
Total $7,644 $2,156

so i was so mad to place 3500 $ to such a match on noname players , that is what bitcoinlivebets try to give you to believe that
hero member
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here is my 2 regular withdrawals when bitcoinlivebets charged the amount 0.5% :  
(on there site there is nothing about withdrawal fees, of course they will update after my post, but you can check in in google site cache service)

3 BTC --> 2.98511 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/f15ef48d160b8a37f3a1bcf658146cb44674685dcfc5258c97910f7376e78ad6
about 26,474 BTC (i dont know the correct amount, lost my details) --> 9.93273311 BTC  +  16.40947689 BTC  =  26,34220799 ( i got this in 2 transactions)

https://blockchain.info/tx/73fed1684d8240f943245148951753dd1ec37b21ba21506d68a9a19e8cfe1e54
https://blockchain.info/tx/92080917a31320a17bd8f64d01f7271f54341593aa9e902c53ef8f41e8b0ad83

This is also suspicious   , that my last 2 withdrawals (modified to 10% , 12 -> 1.2, 20.89 -> 2.089 ) not charged with 0.5% fee  , but these are not regular withdrawals ,

the timestamp of these withdrawals are grampled/fake/modifed at least the second one. (there are 32 hours difference beetween them, if we could believe to the timestamps)
i got them only 2 minutes difference (you can check it at the first post of bitcoinlivebets,) ,   53 hours (2 days 5 hours) later from my 1st withdrawal request if we could believe the first timestamp

bitcoinbetlives claim that i first withdrawed only 1.2 BTC  (when my balance was at least 20-25 BTC, i will count it later)  then i bet on an itf noname women tennis match  with 29,601000 BTC (10 times more then the  maxiumum bet amout  i placed ever here, about after 46 bets ) ,  but keep 2,089 BTC on my account , that i withdrawed after lost the fake bet  , so insted of  placed 30 BTC (what they claim now is the max bet), i filled the betting slip  with the 29,601 numbers

 so i risk almost all my account balace to a noname tennis match,  and not to an a match like this one , that i placed earlier
Final Result (in sets - best of 3) Radwanska, Agnieszka - Cabeza Candela, Estrella   2:0   -400
Stake: 3,000000 BTC (Bet by slip 3,000000 BTC), Possible winnings: 3,750000 BTC
hero member
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15 minutes ago  on their homepage :

"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"

now :

" Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"
Sure, after you told us that this information in the english translation is old. Thank you for that. After user requests, we increased our maximum bet amount on 9/17/2013 for most bet types and pre match bets.
If your bet amount was just a literal error why didn't you tell us that just after you made the bet slip before the game started?

I am very sorry you lost your bet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=215014.140 

check this topic too

bitcoinlivebets changed its tactic  talking about the false bet (they added to my account) , and not multiple account, and breaking rules
sr. member
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15 minutes ago  on their homepage :

"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"

now :

" Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"
Sure, after you told us that this information in the english translation is old. Thank you for that. After user requests, we increased our maximum bet amount on 9/17/2013 for most bet types and pre match bets.
If your bet amount was just a literal error why didn't you tell us that just after you made the bet slip before the game started?

I am very sorry you lost your bet.
hero member
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15 minutes ago  on their homepage :

"Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC, maximum bet 3 BTC per bet combination"

now :

" Minimum bet: 0.001 BTC"
hero member
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of corse you can look at the timestamps on my false withdrawals (decreased only 10%) and the false bet
after i will share all my account histroy you could count my account balance

bitcoinlivebets says that i withdrawed  1.2  BTC  then placed a bet with  29,601 BTC  (but only 3 BTC is the max) and after it made another withdrawal 2.089 BTC  ,
(betting amount is about (1000%)  10 times more of the withdrawal amout )

and they always charged my withdrawals with some fee , but in this time i could get the whole amont 

i will share you all earlier withdrawals

hero member
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"By the way, we paid also your 26 BTC you requested with your first account."

of course you paid , beacuse if a player wins and withdraw their winnings it is normal that sportsbookmakers pay them out
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