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sr. member
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August 29, 2012, 12:42:02 PM
NO emails NO info at all, its all about withdrawal addresses! I don't think Pirate needs any info, he just wants to do the payment directly not through PPT OPs. Now the question is why he would want to do that? It is obvious that he wants to track accounts especially the PPT accounts he is currently buying @ low price! and pay it back without informing anyone! Wink

What is special about PPT? probably it is the accounts most exposed to buyers "today" and is being sold at low price! extremely low [currently<20%]. He would have a plan by now to payback on multiple stages and it is smart of him to search for the sub-accounts he bought, to pay it back first. This way he will be paying himself, shutting down sub-accounts and without even informing anyone about such payback stage! while the majority of the account holders will be still waiting in line, and welling to sell their accounts at low price, even lower.
member
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August 29, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
EDIT: There's some discussion about the legality/need of providing information about all the sub-accounts. In truth, Payb.tc is the only "account" of BCS&T, and therefore is owed the entire amount. I'm not sure how I feel about pirate getting your entire customer list, with bitcoin addresses and email addresses.
There are NO EMAIL ADDRESSES! Nobody never asked my email in PM and there are NO emails in the web interface.
Paybtc, please send my account to pirate. I don't mind.
zyk
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 101
August 29, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
The request is odd. Is it a advice from the attorney of Pirate? Or something more fishy like a pending police investigation already starting?

If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
It seems he only wants the balance, forum/IRC name/or any other confirmation of the account , and Bitcoin withdraw address.
Not much to base a pending police investigation though, not even email addresses are needed here.

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balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address


Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

Maybe he would not be responsible in the case of a GLBSE PPT or with bitcoinmax, but in my case he would. My PPT continued to use the deposit address I had on my BS&T account. In other words, I was using a sub-account, when you guys all think they don't exist, with the money going straight to Pirate in the event I deposited some Wink Oh, and I'm not the only one.


May i give you the care you had for me back in timely warnings, o meu companheiro?

Everybody of course is responsible for his actions not only other people and even as there are plenty of companheiros

the guilty is always the same but its not going to be divided , not even for the oldest heros.

Are you too doing some panic hoarding?

Cada um o seu bicho, ne?

Cheers Zyk
zyk
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August 29, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
I am not agreeing with Mel, but for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

Unless it is to make sure you are the very last to be paid back?


learn zykgloogish please and you need not put so many Huh to the world you live in Wink Cool

just try to answer for yourself, if you think that you deserve to keep the interest earned at bitcoinmax......

and then just try the same with principal.....

you may have some serious questions at hand along the way then...

feel free to post them --we will find an answer....and a translator am sure Wink


Cheers Zyk
sr. member
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August 29, 2012, 12:03:01 PM
So Payb.tc - have you submitted the information pirate requested already?

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At this time, all Pirate Pass-Thru operators are required to submit a list of their sub-accounts including; balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address. Payments will be processed directly by Bitcoin Savings & Trust to Pirate Pass-Thru sub-accounts upon verification and cleared of any outstanding conditions. Principal and interest payments are subject to review. No timeline or further information is available at this time.

EDIT: There's some discussion about the legality/need of providing information about all the sub-accounts. In truth, Payb.tc is the only "account" of BCS&T, and therefore is owed the entire amount. I'm not sure how I feel about pirate getting your entire customer list, with bitcoin addresses and email addresses.
sr. member
Activity: 461
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August 29, 2012, 12:01:14 PM
Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
I am not agreeing with Mel, but for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

Unless it is to make sure you are the very last to be paid back?

LOL - right?  If anyone would go through a lot of trouble just to ensure that bitlane is paid last it would be pirate!  LMAO!
zyk
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August 29, 2012, 11:09:43 AM
In this case even with their permission, because it facilitates a breach of the pooling agreement. If Pirate negotiates a private settlement with one of those people, that defrauds the others out of their agreed upon share of the payment by Pirate on that debt.
Even if an agreement would have existed, it would have been broken with the first sale of an account. It doesn't really matter who buys BS&T/PPT accounts. Any sale removes the current account owner from the queue list in exchange for a financial gain. So if you need to mark someone as a fraudster for whatever reason, you would have to mark everybody who offered, sold and bought accounts. Amongst those are some of the forum's big/respected posters. Those accounts are in some way pretty similar to GLBSE shares, so you would need to mark those traders too.

Payb.tc has stated before that accounts will be paid in a FIFO manner: oldest accounts first. If it's Pirate or Payb.tc who pays back doesn't really matter. If you look around, many already linked their accounts by posting offers here in the forum.

Edit: fixed misleading typo


Pirate just covers his traces....he has a failed buiseness and Payb.tc was trying to run  his own ponzi on that... with the help of everybody who is crying me first now

and the help of people who have forgotten how to spell their names in english when trying to read and understand zykgooglish Wink


Cheers Zyk

P.S.  sorry to be part of this scam as well but i tried my best to find out beforehand whats going to happen, when the water is running out....

everybody naked of course Grin
hero member
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I am the one who knocks
August 29, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
hero member
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I am the one who knocks
August 29, 2012, 09:29:44 AM
Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
I am not agreeing with Mel, but for what nefarious purpose could pirate want lenders names for?

Unless it is to make sure you are the very last to be paid back?
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Wat
August 29, 2012, 09:22:52 AM
PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bitlane. Pirate stated ages ago that GPUMAX and BS&T shared a bitcoin wallet:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1026140

Not LEGALLY.....as 1 is a Texas State Registered LLC and the other was a SCAM.

He can say whatever he wants to try and justify it, but the blockchain shows everything plain in black and white.

He mixed SCAM funds with his Legitimate LLC, pretty much offering up the LLC on the table in case of bankruptcy, as previously unavailable if kept seperate.

Illicit funds can not be used to support a legit business (without implicating it in the 'case)....and you don't have to be Perry Mason to figure THAT out.


Usually when the mob wants to launder money they setup a legit business as a front. Its the same deal except we can see the bitcoin trail.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
August 29, 2012, 09:21:02 AM
Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.

Right...because he's ALL ABOUT timing and caring about his Investors, once he has what he wants....
sr. member
Activity: 461
Merit: 251
August 29, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
Maybe pirate just wants the subaccounts to receive their payout at the exact same time as everyone else so that if there is a massive sell-off of BTC they don't miss out on the opportunity to sell.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
I heart thebaron
August 29, 2012, 09:08:20 AM
PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bitlane. Pirate stated ages ago that GPUMAX and BS&T shared a bitcoin wallet:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1026140

Not LEGALLY.....as 1 is a Texas State Registered LLC and the other was a SCAM.

He can say whatever he wants to try and justify it, but the blockchain shows everything plain in black and white.

He mixed SCAM funds with his Legitimate LLC, pretty much offering up the LLC on the table in case of bankruptcy, as previously unavailable if kept seperate.

Illicit funds can not be used to support a legit business (without implicating it in the 'case)....and you don't have to be Perry Mason to figure THAT out.
donator
Activity: 826
Merit: 1060
August 29, 2012, 09:03:21 AM
PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, bitlane. Pirate stated ages ago that GPUMAX and BS&T shared a bitcoin wallet:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1026140
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
August 29, 2012, 08:36:17 AM
Source?

thebaron pulled it from IRC logs.

<---------------notice who 'I heart' now ?

PS. Feel free to follow some of the outputs to GPUMAX miner payouts........(Legit Biz & Scam Money Combined ? that UNpossible)
http://blockchain.info/ip-address/108.89.10.213


http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=108.89.10.213?showDetails=true&showARIN=false&ext=netref2
hero member
Activity: 560
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I am the one who knocks
August 29, 2012, 08:34:34 AM
My Pirate deposit address is found 7 times on the first page......HOW ABOUT YOU ALL ?

http://blockchain.info/ip-address/108.89.10.213

(known Trendon Shavers IP address)
Source?
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
I heart thebaron
August 29, 2012, 08:33:05 AM
My Pirate deposit address is found 7 times on the first page......HOW ABOUT YOU ALL ?

http://blockchain.info/ip-address/108.89.10.213

(known Trendon Shavers IP address)
legendary
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August 29, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
The request is odd. Is it a advice from the attorney of Pirate? Or something more fishy like a pending police investigation already starting?

If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
It seems he only wants the balance, forum/IRC name/or any other confirmation of the account , and Bitcoin withdraw address.
Not much to base a pending police investigation though, not even email addresses are needed here.

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balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address


Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

Maybe he would not be responsible in the case of a GLBSE PPT or with bitcoinmax, but in my case he would. My PPT continued to use the deposit address I had on my BS&T account. In other words, I was using a sub-account, when you guys all think they don't exist, with the money going straight to Pirate in the event I deposited some Wink Oh, and I'm not the only one.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Wat
August 29, 2012, 08:24:45 AM
The request is odd. Is it a advice from the attorney of Pirate? Or something more fishy like a pending police investigation already starting?

If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
It seems he only wants the balance, forum/IRC name/or any other confirmation of the account , and Bitcoin withdraw address.
Not much to base a pending police investigation though, not even email addresses are needed here.

Quote
balance, forum / IRC name (or any other way of linking and confirming the account) and Bitcoin withdraw address


Then why would he do this? To be sure everyone is paid equally? He's not legally responsible if a passthrough operator doesn't return the coins.

Can't wait for Friday to know more about this.

To get a list of suckers to sell amway too in future.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
August 29, 2012, 08:23:43 AM
If I had a bitcoinmax account I wouldn't be confortable with this.
But since you don't have bitcoinmax account, who in this thread gives a shit of what you'd be comfortable with?

I have a bitcoinmax account and I am very comfortable with this.
@payb.tc, please pass my account's details to Pirate.
Also please pass the message that I would like you to keep the 0.1% (or otherwise: 1.43%) from my sub-account's interests.
lol
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