Topic: BitcoinOrama Report on the KnCminer/OrSoC Open-day Mon 10/06/13 (Stockholm) - page 9. (Read 55747 times)

Sorry guys, back to reality - most important question now is: have they already ordered the chips? Do we have an ETA confirmed by the fab?

As titomane said a few posts ago, those fabs do not hurry up for any customer - lead time for the chips will be anything from 8 to 12 weeks, and we need to assume 12 weeks to be on the safe side. I know how that huge businesses work - if they need to delay your order, they do, and you just can't do anything about it. This happened to Avalon too, just check what he said on his conference talk.

If KnC did not place the order for the chips yet, that's something to be worried about.

Please Bitcoinorama use your direct access to them to ask:

- are the chips ordered?
- if yes, what is the ETA confirmed by the fab?
- if not, why? didn't they reach the funding goal they needed for the order? How far away are them to place the order?

I would like to know if the KNCminer guys have put some kind of limitation to the number of units that can be ordered.
This could be taken as a sign of reliability from them. Avalon for instance has done something like that by accepting orders in batches.
If not, that means in my opinion that they are only willing to make money, without guaranteeing to customers anything especially in terms of delivery time.

Regards,
ilpirata79

Thanks buddy, there's a lot of 'ifs', but should everything align, it will clearly be a fun project.

I've had a bit of screen time before, and a variety of jobs that have involved working in front of and with members of the public in a variety of ways, and the ability to gain and keep attention is based on character.  Plainly, in this case, could you sit through 90 minutes of these two and their wild honeymoon? Do they stand any chance in convincing strangers to accept Bitcoin? Will they make light of the complications on the way in a serious manner? They ticked all those boxes in their 3 min trailer, they are comfortable with the camera and appear confident they intend to see this through. The fact they personify mr and mrs (to be), joe public is ideal for legitimising mainstream mining.

Note: I cannot take credit for the idea of handing them a miner to use within the project itself. As much as that is a logical step, all I did was forward the Kickstarter page and said it's a cute story with a very determined and entertaining couple, I'd be all over this if I was you...

This is my point; I'm not expecting anything. Why are people putting words in my mouth just to satisfy their own point of view? If I end up working for them, or any crypto-engineering hardware company I would clearly state my allegiance, a sig would prob be a sensible place, but whilst I had my expectations before visiting, based on research conducted along the way which made me optimistic, I certainly wasn't about to loose my head. I'd like to think I still remained unbiased and balanced in the way I conducted the questioning.  Certainly didn't accept answers without delving deeper, and I pressed on matters I felt were useful to all those keen on investing.

With respect to parting with money, including my own, my feet are and were firmly on the ground. We're talking of a lot of money, despite this being an exciting engineering race, I've not coerced anyone to do anything with their savings. Everywhere possible I have stated people do their own research and make their own mind up. Are they are real engineering firm? Yes, I was able to prove that, but understand the risks involved why they may/may not deliver on time, understand the risks involved in Botcoin pricing on September and beyond. Ignore the calculator predictions that are wildly thrown about, and make sure your credit card company has additional liability. Throughout this I pressed quite aggressively they (KnC) accept card payment, because it always was about being my own financial investment as well, it only became more of that, as in a potential investment of time, when I realised the ability of the companies involved and the potential outcome for those parties as well. I value my time more than money. Way more.

That's news to me. Maybe he shouldn't be in charge of public relations or s.o. should double check what he says/writes. And that still does not preclude them from NOT making false claims or misrepresent themselves (as in the K&C as KNCMINER company presentation to later incorporate KNCMINER in a separate company and falsely advertising a private website as a Gov one).

Great idea, I feel you have done the entire bitcoin community a great service with this suggestion (assuming KnC pulls through and delivers on time).

You sir have earned a couple of beers on me.  Hopefully you find a Swedish hottie to drink them with.
https://blockchain.info/tx/d91071418b26db238e55a237b8337e93434868b22e057b06be19367840fc268a

edit.. link fixed

Awesome farm

Ok, so you were not given a freebie but you are kinda *hoping* for one that may or may not arrive.

 

@ Bitcoinrama: Do not  put yourself under pressure by anybody. You have done a very good job for the most of us here....whatever KNC will do in the future...

Monster!!...https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2514804

Go Bitcoinorama, just smile and wave, smile and wave.

There will be some bagholders soon..

Gee Whizz please people don't provide answers for me, I'm capable of speaking for myself, but I feel this does back me into a corner i'm not comfortable with.

As far as I know, no one has been given freebies, aside that married couple for the film, which is a stroke of genius.

There was talk at the openday that they wanted to reward 'members of the community', and by that I believe they mean the community at large, we spoke of devs, etc. All those in attendance were present for this. There was a mention of putting a vote out in the forum, but it's really not my place to be commenting on that, as I can't remember whether that is on or off record, so I won't go into further specifics, lots of ideas were thrown around.  I certainly don't want to be on record saying this, or that and inadvertently cast myself outside of any runnings, as straight-up if there is anything offered at a later date, I'm not stupid, I wouldn't turn it down, neither would I want to feel pressured to do so. Likewise no one should feel under pressure to reward me anything.  I did what I did out of my own free choice, admittedly I shared info, but the intentions were somewhat selfish in that I was researching a mining company to invest in their product, and stumbled across a legitimate talented engineering firm that sparked further academic/professional interest aside buying a product. As I said above, I have not been paid for my time, i'm not under any employment, but I definitely liked what and who I saw when I went there, as unanimously did everyone else. I certainly did take my CV with me just in case.

The only thing I feel comfortable sharing here is my thoughts in that this product, if it works, and they deliver on time will sell itself, fact. It will provide an epic newsworthy story, fact. There is no need to comp incompetent journalism like BFL did. BFL's money printing machine that kept them in favour with certain press was a very superficial ploy. It drove them tonnes of unsophisticated Bitcoin wannabe investors that they now cannot handle. Both Wired and Arts Technica's stories surrounding the subject were grossly unresearched and showed a complete lack of understanding of both Bitcoin and mining. Regardless the purpose of both publications is to bring tech related news, and if they don't feel a genuine contender to the Bitcoin ASIC mining fraternity is relevant tech news without bribery then they are doing themselves, and their readership, a disservice. If they want to get their hands on products to review, my feeling is they should either cozy up to someone they know with a pre-order, or join the queue themselves. Assisting a film that intends to spread the word on Bitcoin acceptance, makes far more sense to me, and will do far more for ensuring mining is distributed and in the hands of the normal people. It was a stroke of good fortune, more than anything else that I happened to be pinged relevant news about the Kickstarter project. I have Google set up to alert me on Bitcoin news and I leapt on that when I saw it as it's a fantastic opportunity for all involved. More than anything the couple are animated, motivated to do this, whilst relaxed on camera, and appear like genuine characters with mainstream appeal. Giving those two a Jupiter as a 'wedding present' to use on their eccentric 90-day 'honeymoon' is well worth it to help stabalise the Bitcoin price and generate a buzz around local and global public BTC acceptance. It's a no brainer, and most importantly the couple get a fantastic adventure out of it. It's potentially a beautiful story in it's own right. I say good luck to them.

In that case, simply saying "I would prefer not to answer that question at this time." or "No comment." would be great too.

I possibly sounded more harsh than I intended to; I agree with you that Bitcoinorama has posted incredibly valuable information and regardless of the motivation I appreciate the depth of the effort.  I'm perhaps over-reacting as a result of observing disasters from other companies unfolding.  If I stepped on any toes, I apologize.

Thanks again,

A.C.
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He answered not answering. Not everything has to be confirmed in public, he has no obligation for that - just factor everything on the analysis that leads to your own conclusion.

I'd like to add that IMO Bitcoinorama posted tons of valuable info for the whole community, and regardless of seeming a little "fanboy" or overenthusiastic at some times the videos and transcriptions are valuable, and both the questions provided by the community and kNC answers have been faithfully transmitted.

I, like many others, greatly appreciate your report and the time you have invested into it.  Can you please answer Rampion's question with a yes or no answer?  Did you receive a free or discounted KNC unit of any kind for any reason from any source, or a promise of the same?

Your credibility and transparency will be rewarded.   Just curious,

A.C.
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I certainly asked them not to ship any early devices to media, bloggers, etc. over real customers, like BFL did. I said community reaction and confidence alone would propel such positive results to be newsworthy in it's own right, especially with the story KnC will have if they actually deliver on rime. Sam said they would rather give units out to valuable members of the community such as devs, etc...whether I'm part of that I don't know. I know I've been helpful, but that's not why I have been, and that's not why I went there. My research was self-motivated and for my own reasons, but whilst I was doing it There's no harm in sharing it. I was looking for the first legitimate engineering firm(s) as a contender(s), and I found it. In addition, like the previous attendees said they had strong praise for Phinneaus Gage, as despite his determination to prove them a scam, he actually uncovered a lot that was useful for potential investors to know about their backgrounds and his intentions to bust scam companies, were evenly distributed, regardless of the thread, so he had no particular malice serviced towards them, and they respected that.

I also liked the look of Terrahash, purely as a DIY underdog, but now they have opened books and only just shown an order for 10k chips, claiming they have 20k on order, that equals 15.6666 fully loaded Terrahash DX Large's @ 180 Gh/s, which means they have just taken an obscenely large amount of orders (still rising) they cannot currently accommodate chips for...still they accept Paypal, and thus credit card.

When were at the open-day the burn ins mentioned I think we're only 10 minutes and may even be to your wallet. I was surprised at the time at how short they said they would be, I assumed you need to test for long-term usage. Perhaps it was 10 hours then, but certainly wasn't days. I'm sure it's on the audio somewhere.

Bitcoinorama, no harsh feelings: did you receive a free unit or not?

I guess if they offered it to you they would have asked for you to not disclose the fact, so let's keep it simple for everybody: if they indeed gave you a free unit, just ignore this post. If they didn't, just reply: "no, I was never given or promised a free unit"

Well, thanks. Finally someone who knows how to design an MCM properly. Bad luck I did not submit any questions. I guess only organic substrates for MCMs are of interest today, the old-era ceramic ones are good, but not even ATi or nVidia uses them...
Ah well. As for the burn-in, can they allow some users to opt-in for the burn-in? I would like to receive my unit sooner than the others ;-)

and KS, I appreciate your input, but I also have to admit that being dysloectic is a serios illnes (Sam Cole as an example).