Swedish engineers man, awkward, introvert, funny and fucking smart 
+1 just the way its supposed to be
Topic: BitcoinOrama Report on the KnCminer/OrSoC Open-day Mon 10/06/13 (Stockholm) - page 8. (Read 55758 times)
June 19, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
+1 just the way its supposed to be
June 19, 2013, 04:44:01 PM
You might not won a full miner, but you just earned yourself 4 shares on the second miner in the second KNC groupbuy by Tyrion70 and me.
Thanks for good info gathering and continue doing so
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedgroupbuy-new-batch-kncminer-8-sold-sold-out-238336
Thanks for good info gathering and continue doing so
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedgroupbuy-new-batch-kncminer-8-sold-sold-out-238336
Haha that's awesome!
June 19, 2013, 04:35:49 PM
Gents, please do keep the quoting to a minimum. Limit yourselves to one quote per post, for everybody's sake.
June 19, 2013, 04:18:45 PM
You might not won a full miner, but you just earned yourself 4 shares on the second miner in the second KNC groupbuy by Tyrion70 and me.
Thanks for good info gathering and continue doing so
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedgroupbuy-new-batch-kncminer-8-sold-sold-out-238336
Thanks for good info gathering and continue doing so
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedgroupbuy-new-batch-kncminer-8-sold-sold-out-238336
June 19, 2013, 04:00:34 PM
Here here, if you don't have anything good to say, keep it to yourself. I applause you BitcoinOrama for doing what others only intimated at.
June 19, 2013, 03:04:44 PM
I'm being the devil's advocate for people drinking the KNCMINER Kool-Aid. Bitcoinorama is painting everything in pink, I'm painting it black, the truth is in the middle. I'm not about to stop calling their BS when I see it though.
Devil's Advocate is one thing, accusing those that are trying to help / show some optimism is another. I been following this post (and others) since Page 3, and its the same bullshit page after page, for every piece of evidence that is given to confirm legitimacy someone comes up with some other BS reason as to why its a scam.
It's amazing how small some of the pages become once you put KS on ignore.
i might have to join you in that
June 19, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
June 19, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
June 19, 2013, 02:42:04 PM
I'm being the devil's advocate for people drinking the KNCMINER Kool-Aid. Bitcoinorama is painting everything in pink, I'm painting it black, the truth is in the middle. I'm not about to stop calling their BS when I see it though.
Devil's Advocate is one thing, accusing those that are trying to help / show some optimism is another. I been following this post (and others) since Page 3, and its the same bullshit page after page, for every piece of evidence that is given to confirm legitimacy someone comes up with some other BS reason as to why its a scam.
It's amazing how small some of the pages become once you put KS on ignore.
June 19, 2013, 02:18:31 PM
June 19, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
There are after all scammer sellers that have already been unearthed by memebers on this forum such as http://www.gxmining.com/ (although that was an easy one)
photoshopping the BFL jap pic - seriously
photoshopping the BFL jap pic - seriously
Plus this gxmining.com has Identity Protection Service, WOW :-) ---- HIDE is the best word.....
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June 19, 2013, 12:50:52 PM
June 19, 2013, 12:48:03 PM
+1 ^
ty Bitcoinorama for the information.
Lets not forget that he was not the only one that attended the open days and all seem to have the same impression of KNC.
Personally I dont mind any1 trying to uncover a possible scam and the more questions asked, the better.
There are after all scammer sellers that have already been unearthed by memebers on this forum such as http://www.gxmining.com/ (although that was an easy one)
photoshopping the BFL jap pic - seriously
ty Bitcoinorama for the information.
Lets not forget that he was not the only one that attended the open days and all seem to have the same impression of KNC.
Personally I dont mind any1 trying to uncover a possible scam and the more questions asked, the better.
There are after all scammer sellers that have already been unearthed by memebers on this forum such as http://www.gxmining.com/ (although that was an easy one)
photoshopping the BFL jap pic - seriously
June 19, 2013, 12:32:41 PM
You should start putting those factlets in your sig. "want to work for KNCMINER, expecting to receive a free Jupiter".
No matter the criticism I can throw your way, I still appreciate the reports. I wish your prose were less biased though, they're still selling vaporware after all.
This is my point; I'm not expecting anything. Why are people putting words in my mouth just to satisfy their own point of view? If I end up working for them, or any crypto-engineering hardware company I would clearly state my allegiance, a sig would prob be a sensible place, but whilst I had my expectations before visiting, based on research conducted along the way which made me optimistic, I certainly wasn't about to loose my head. I'd like to think I still remained unbiased and balanced in the way I conducted the questioning. Certainly didn't accept answers without delving deeper, and I pressed on matters I felt were useful to all those keen on investing.
With respect to parting with money, including my own, my feet are and were firmly on the ground. We're talking of a lot of money, despite this being an exciting engineering race, I've not coerced anyone to do anything with their savings. Everywhere possible I have stated people do their own research and make their own mind up. Are they are real engineering firm? Yes, I was able to prove that, but understand the risks involved why they may/may not deliver on time, understand the risks involved in Botcoin pricing on September and beyond. Ignore the calculator predictions that are wildly thrown about, and make sure your credit card company has additional liability. Throughout this I pressed quite aggressively they (KnC) accept card payment, because it always was about being my own financial investment as well, it only became more of that, as in a potential investment of time, when I realised the ability of the companies involved and the potential outcome for those parties as well. I value my time more than money. Way more.
Dude, you should not even respond to this kind of posts.
This is the exact kind of shit that was going on when Avalon started taking orders - People harping about how it is impossible to do, "its a scam", "Just a bunch of Chinese scammers". These were all phrases that were thrown around when Avalon was taking Batch 1 Orders, and I can't help but wonder how many of those asshats are now sitting on a pile of coin because they decided to risk a paltry $1300 bucks while discouraging others into not doing the same... I kick myself every day for letting people like this influence my decision like I did at that time, and I am sure they're are MANY more that also feel this way. Now "He's just saying this to get a free unit" can be added to this list.
I hope this not the case, however, as it was stated earlier this is unfortunately a zero sum game, and it is quite literally an incentive for some people to keep others out of the mining game, however way possible. I hope this is not what is happening on the forum but my realist outlook says beware.
Honestly, in my opinion, you and everyone else who took the time to go grill these guys deserves a free unit - Without a doubt you guys have been the best advertising expense KNCMiner has never paid...The only reason why I risked ordering more than a saturn was because you guys were able to clear the air on alot of the questions on whether or not KNCMiner is legit (ie. Do they even exist?).
Bitcoinorama, please don't waste anymore of your time on these guys, you are already giving so much back to the community in the form of these transcripts I'd hate to see you get burnt out because of a bunch of Naysayers. If they don't feel like its a safe enough investment for their cash, that's ok let them talk, hopefully come September we'll be sitting on some solid equipment and reaping the benefit of our bets while they sit on the sidelines bidding on the scraps on ebay.
Fortune favors the bold
Bitcoinorama, Thank you again for taking the time to do this. Drive on
June 19, 2013, 07:03:12 AM
They really need to give him that mars
Mars in about to be fried in an all-out over-clocking assault!
June 19, 2013, 06:55:42 AM
They really need to give him that mars
June 19, 2013, 06:03:37 AM
BitcoinOrama, just wanted to say thanks for the significant insight (and putting yourself in the line of fire of seemingly drunk rednecks) thus robbing me of needed sleep... 
June 19, 2013, 05:42:56 AM
Sorry guys, back to reality - most important question now is: have they already ordered the chips? Do we have an ETA confirmed by the fab?
As titomane said a few posts ago, those fabs do not hurry up for any customer - lead time for the chips will be anything from 8 to 12 weeks, and we need to assume 12 weeks to be on the safe side. I know how that huge businesses work - if they need to delay your order, they do, and you just can't do anything about it. This happened to Avalon too, just check what he said on his conference talk.
If KnC did not place the order for the chips yet, that's something to be worried about.
Please Bitcoinorama use your direct access to them to ask:
- are the chips ordered?
- if yes, what is the ETA confirmed by the fab?
- if not, why? didn't they reach the funding goal they needed for the order? How far away are them to place the order?
As titomane said a few posts ago, those fabs do not hurry up for any customer - lead time for the chips will be anything from 8 to 12 weeks, and we need to assume 12 weeks to be on the safe side. I know how that huge businesses work - if they need to delay your order, they do, and you just can't do anything about it. This happened to Avalon too, just check what he said on his conference talk.
If KnC did not place the order for the chips yet, that's something to be worried about.
Please Bitcoinorama use your direct access to them to ask:
- are the chips ordered?
- if yes, what is the ETA confirmed by the fab?
- if not, why? didn't they reach the funding goal they needed for the order? How far away are them to place the order?
I fired an email yesterday with a variety of Q's I scraped from here. There were quite a few tech related q's. Waiting to get a reply back over which are answerable without being too advantageous to the competition. They want to be transparent, but not at the cost of giving away too much info to those they are competing against.
Couldn't agreed more
June 19, 2013, 05:36:18 AM
Sorry guys, back to reality - most important question now is: have they already ordered the chips? Do we have an ETA confirmed by the fab?
As titomane said a few posts ago, those fabs do not hurry up for any customer - lead time for the chips will be anything from 8 to 12 weeks, and we need to assume 12 weeks to be on the safe side. I know how that huge businesses work - if they need to delay your order, they do, and you just can't do anything about it. This happened to Avalon too, just check what he said on his conference talk.
If KnC did not place the order for the chips yet, that's something to be worried about.
Please Bitcoinorama use your direct access to them to ask:
- are the chips ordered?
- if yes, what is the ETA confirmed by the fab?
- if not, why? didn't they reach the funding goal they needed for the order? How far away are them to place the order?
As titomane said a few posts ago, those fabs do not hurry up for any customer - lead time for the chips will be anything from 8 to 12 weeks, and we need to assume 12 weeks to be on the safe side. I know how that huge businesses work - if they need to delay your order, they do, and you just can't do anything about it. This happened to Avalon too, just check what he said on his conference talk.
If KnC did not place the order for the chips yet, that's something to be worried about.
Please Bitcoinorama use your direct access to them to ask:
- are the chips ordered?
- if yes, what is the ETA confirmed by the fab?
- if not, why? didn't they reach the funding goal they needed for the order? How far away are them to place the order?
I fired an email yesterday with a variety of Q's I scraped from here. There were quite a few tech related q's. Waiting to get a reply back over which are answerable without being too advantageous to the competition. They want to be transparent, but not at the cost of giving away too much info to those they are competing against.
June 19, 2013, 05:29:29 AM
I would like to know if the KNCminer guys have put some kind of limitation to the number of units that can be ordered.
This could be taken as a sign of reliability from them. Avalon for instance has done something like that by accepting orders in batches.
If not, that means in my opinion that they are only willing to make money, without guaranteeing to customers anything especially in terms of delivery time.
Regards,
ilpirata79
This could be taken as a sign of reliability from them. Avalon for instance has done something like that by accepting orders in batches.
If not, that means in my opinion that they are only willing to make money, without guaranteeing to customers anything especially in terms of delivery time.
Regards,
ilpirata79
Avalon has done lots from 10,000 to 200,000 chips. If selling 2.8Ths to 56Ths are small batches.
2.8 Ths are 8 Jupiter
56 Ths are 160 Jupiter
If you put 10000 lots here: http://store.avalon-asics.com/?page_id=386 They sell it. (So you can buy 26924 lots that are more than 21 millions BTC) joke coments
If you put 10000 jup here https://www.kncminer.com/shoppingcart.aspx send error only have 1xxx
Who of us wants only to make money? Honestly I think both.
But you say you do not do it for money (Avalon) and accepts web orders otherwise chips 10000000.
The other says he wants to make money and stay in business for long. But the website does not let buy over 2000 Jupiters
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