Topic: Bitcoins existence has increased the spread of child pornography - page 3. (Read 2580 times)

Oh - "the humanity" and "what about the children".

Guys - do you know that gold can be used as a medium of payment for "child porn".

I suggest you try and get gold banned immediately worldwide!
(and in fact all money - as surely any money could be used to procure child porn)

Anyone culturally /ethically / religiously different should have no part in the rest of humanity's affairs? We should let non-profit organizations "do what they do, and keep our ethics to ourselves", is there no accountability on their behalf or limit to their reach of discretion?

I'm a very poor white american, 90% of the people I have ever known don't even make Poverty wages. I come from a ghetto in New York where multiple people are shot and killed every single month over drugs and pocket-change. I personally know multiple woman who were raped and abused by the hands of family members or friends. I know too well what it's like to lose someone to violence, or to lose someone psychologically to abuse. It's insulting as hell to make assumptions about "white americans".

As a white-american who knows women who are ruined emotionally/psychologically from rape and abuse as a little girl, I definitely see child-pornography and how it's monitored/prosecuted as my damn business.

Humanity , Civility is ALL our business, especially when it comes to how we treat the children of the world.

So what exactly is it that you are saying?

You know that USD is the major currency for child porn but you think that people should hate BTC because it "possibly could be used" for the same thing?

Your point has no point - it is just stupid (perhaps you are paid to make such stupid posts here).

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Non-sequitur?
Did I say there are "factories based upon BTC (and not USD) are the major creators of child porn"?
Do you know what an analogy is?

So show us the "proof" that factories based upon BTC (and not USD) are the major creators of child porn please.

(my guess is you can't do that because it is just bullshit that you have made up)

No it is not. And that's why the punishments are different.
Knowingly buying stolen goods is also not the same as stealing, and that's why the punishment is different there too.
Now you know.
A factory that makes widgets which no one buys is a bankrupt factory, there's that. If child porn can't be monetized, it removes money as an incentive for making it. Sure, it would still exist, there are sick people out there, but fewer kids will get fucked up.

You, as "a rich white American," should keep your ideas of right and wrong to yourself, and stop sticking your nose into other people's business. If beheading non-believers is what they do, that's none of your rich white American business.

You should also let the London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic and the International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, do what they do, and keep your ethics to yourself.
Is that what you want to hear?

Watching an image (or a film) is not the same as "making it" (this does not mean I am condoning that).

The serious issue here is not at all associated with the selling of images or videos but with the making of them.
(as bad as such things are you can't claim that 1K people watching such a thing hurt the child more than 1 person watching it)

And I think everyone here knows that the vast majority of such material has been paid for in USD (so ban that first please).

We're talking about fighting child-porn entirely, through policing ourselves (bitcoin community / protocol) and you seem to be stuck on a single non-profit organization.. which is actually a great example of somebody doing something. I don't understand your need to insult or to be hostile, when I'm agreeing that it's a very convenient medium for this activity and asking you what you think should be done. It seems as though your only response is "The government is gonna take care of it, because we're incapable".


I keep asking you, What would you like to see changed within bitcoin that would make it "safer" and fight child-pornography? In an attempt to "police ourselves"


No part of it, I'm just wondering why you're directly contradicting yourself within 15-minutes of conversation, talking in circles when I'm asking a very direct question.


You keep going on and on about how bitcoin needs to comply with the same laws that other currencies do, because it would help fight child-pornography and illegal activity, and I'm asking, What laws specifically are you talking about?




 By that logic we should dismantle the entire idea of currency, because it mediates between every profitable criminal act ever committed. Is USD / EUR somehow a moral high-ground?


 Wrong, the criminals you speak of are independent of their mother. If the mother carried the serial killer and child molesters while they carried out this evil, then they are evil. If the mother knew of the evil being committed and that is was entirely dependent upon her, yet she continued to allow it, then yes she is evil.

Activity illegal in my country, e.g. raping prepubescent children on camera.
You're comparing religious freedom with raping loli?
Let me explain how this goes: Neither the London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic nor the International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, have enforcement wings. This means that at best, they could report child rape to relevant authorities.
Now, you may feel that child abuse laws are random and arbitrary, and, in a way, they are, but that's a different conversation altogether.

Guns and drugs bought legally are legal guns and drugs, thus neither the London-based bitcoin startup Elliptic nor the International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK that monitors online child abuse, have any fricking thing to do with them. Simple.

Ethan I am playing devil's advocate here. I would burn a pedophile in a fire as quick as anyone. But it is a tricky thing when you get into the details. For example I would be appalled at a website that connects grown men with 13 year old girls. But what if that practice was the norm in some country? Should my ideas about how people should live be imposed on the rest of the world? Why, cause I'm a rich white American? And should women here be arrested for not covering their hair because it is a law somewhere else? What if in their country it is far worse a crime than child porn?
Our own (U.S.) history is also filled with immoral laws. When I was born you could be jailed for marrying a black person. Therefore this argument would have supported tracking bitcoins so that no one buys a marriage licenses outside of their race.  Addressing the worst things on the darknet is going to be difficult if we are to preserve our rights.  


EDIT: @MayorMccheese about the post below.

All good points. I agree with those methods. My concern is any system that devolves into a which hunt.

Sure. It made it much easier to create scam companies (see securities section of this forum), steal people's money (Pirateatfourty, TradeFortress, Mt.Gox, etc.), enabled illegal internet gambling (which preys on the poorest and dumbest), is consuming as much energy as a small country, etc., etc. And, of course, there's the topic of this thread: child porn.

Now you tell me the good things Bitcoin has done, and I want specifics.


The illness he's referring to is pedophilia. That article addresses some wonderful points, and this is why I'm not interested in arguing back and forth, but simply ask the question
"How can we make bitcoin "safer"? , but it is not the greatest evil at play in these scenarios.