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Topic: Bitcoins existence has increased the spread of child pornography - page 4. (Read 2580 times)

MayorMccheese

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Quote from: raphma on July 08, 2016, 10:18:20 AM

so, just to be clear.
if bitcoin dies tomorrow, will child pornography end? no, right? so the problem isnt bitcoin.

We should stop regulating hand grenades, because people still manage to kill each other without them. Sound logic.
Bitcoin is an ideal way to monetize child porn. Just like hand grenades are an ideal way to kill crowds of people. Get it?

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there are other currencies, there are other ways to send payment and, as far as i know, bitcoin is losing space to other altcoins with more anonimity(in deep web of course).

Yeah, the other currencies are regulated. That's why less convenient than BTC.

serjent05

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Well I don't mind if Bitcoin is to be regulated by the government, as long as you are abiding the law, you don't have to worry about anything. Im still thinking, why do one people need to hide something that is legal in all means? About child pornography, Bitcoin is used as payment, nothinig about Bitcoin is promoting child pornography .

Quote from: raphma on July 08, 2016, 10:18:20 AM

so, just to be clear.
if bitcoin dies tomorrow, will child pornography end? no, right? so the problem isnt bitcoin.

there are other currencies, there are other ways to send payment and, as far as i know, bitcoin is losing space to other altcoins with more anonimity(in deep web of course).

this is true, if bitcoin dies tomorrow child pornography still goes on. The people behind should be the one to stop because, they will always find new ways to do their illegal activities even if Bitcoin doesnt exist anymore.

EthanB

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Let's just take a step back since it's all been figured out by MayorMccheese. Roll Eyes

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The governments are stepping in to take-over bitcoin and there's nothing you can do about it.
Bitcoin is not a unique currency
Decentralization is unimportant to bitcoin

Does that about sum it up? (Regardless of how irrelevant you're getting to the subject matter of this thread, which you hypocritically berated me for.)

Daniel91

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I don't think that this statement is true.
Realistically, in every age we had people who liked child pornography or any kind of pornography.
Before Internet age they couldn't harm to much children but Internet get them great tool to find even more child pornography matrials.
So, shouldn't we stop Internet in order to protect children?
We can't do this, of course since benefit of Internet is much greater that danger which comes with Internet.
It's the same with Bitcoin.
If we stop Bitcoin, this will not stop child pornography, not at all.
It's sad reality that people can use any new technology for the good and also for bad, in the same time.

MayorMccheese

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Quote from: EthanB on July 08, 2016, 10:08:28 AM

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 09:31:15 AM

Quote from: EthanB on July 08, 2016, 09:08:55 AM

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:54:20 AM

Quote from: davis196 on July 08, 2016, 08:45:17 AM

Even if the government intervenes and start regulating bitcoin,the criminals will move to some altcoin and

start using dogecoin,litecoin,etc...

Then they'll regulate alts. One step at a time.

Are you advocating for government regulation of bitcoin and alt-coins holistically ? Might not be in the right place, if so.

I'm explaining how things work IRL. If you're looking for a bitcoin hugbox, perhaps it's you who is in the wrong place

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: defined on July 08, 2016, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: groll on July 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM

... also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

If you can figure out how to send "Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles" quickly, cheaply, and anonymously through the internet, I'm all ears.

Even if the payment is seamless because of bitcoin, I'd love an explanation on how they're moving these "Weapons of mass destruction" "quickly, cheaply and anonymously through the internet", I'm all ears, because otherwise fiat cash could be exchanged simultaneously with the weapons of mass destruction. His point was that the payment method is negligible on that issue, because it would require a PHYSICAL exchange regardless.

I'll give you a hand:
1. Look at the topic of this thread.
2. Realize that it's about child porn, which is exchanged via the intertubes, requiring no "PHYSICAL exchange" of shit.
3. Feel like an idiot.

You were having an exchange with groll about weapons of mass destruction and I was simply commenting on that..

No I was not.

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Not sure why you're calling me an idiot.

That's why.

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I'm not looking for a bitcoin hug-box, but a key-feature of bitcoin is it's "decentralization" and lack of governmental regulation. To suggest that we just let the government regulate bitcoin and allow them to centralize it seems sort of idiotic. How things work "In the real world" is corruption and depravity, should we continue that cycle?

"The government" (If you have bothered to read the linked article, you'd know that a Bitcoin startup is partnering with International Watch Foundation (IWF), a non-profit in the UK) is not asking for your permission to regulate Bitcoin, the government *will* regulate Bitcoin as it regulates every other currency, as in AML/KYC compliance. This is not something we can choose away or wish into the cornfield.
Suggesting that governments can't regulate Bitcoin is no smarter than flipping off a cop when your trunk is full of shit that shouldn't be there. Pro tip: don't do it.
And centralization is neither here nor there. Bitcoin is not a special snowflake just because it's decentralized.

hermanhs09

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The topic of this thread is actually true.
When i was surfing darknet i was scared because i have seen so many people looking for /selling CP videos or something that,
it looked for me back then like it is a only CP market ...
Im annoyed that is not possible to track most of them.

raphma

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so, just to be clear.
if bitcoin dies tomorrow, will child pornography end? no, right? so the problem isnt bitcoin.

there are other currencies, there are other ways to send payment and, as far as i know, bitcoin is losing space to other altcoins with more anonimity(in deep web of course).

RodeoX

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The revolution will be monetized!

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 09:34:26 AM

Quote from: RodeoX on July 08, 2016, 09:08:11 AM

We should also crack down on people disrespecting the supreme leader. Everyone knows that only a disturbed criminal can disrespect Kim Jong Un. Come on North Korea, let's kill these rats.
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It's not a question of what we should do, it's a question of what will be done to us.
Now then, WTF are you talking about?

I am just pointing out that when you want to stop illegal activity you should consider who's law you are talking about. In Saudi Arabia it is punishable by death to not believe in God. So if someone buys a book like the God Delusion should they be turned in to be executed? In the DPRK a person who does not recognize the divinity of the leader meets the definition of "criminally insane" and is subject to death, is that cool? In some countries it is illegal to be gay, should we stop them from using BTC?
And what about guns and drugs bought legally? It is a more complicated question that child exploitation, which has been used for decades to spy on us and deny our rights.

EthanB

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Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 09:31:15 AM

Quote from: EthanB on July 08, 2016, 09:08:55 AM

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:54:20 AM

Quote from: davis196 on July 08, 2016, 08:45:17 AM

Even if the government intervenes and start regulating bitcoin,the criminals will move to some altcoin and

start using dogecoin,litecoin,etc...

Then they'll regulate alts. One step at a time.

Are you advocating for government regulation of bitcoin and alt-coins holistically ? Might not be in the right place, if so.

I'm explaining how things work IRL. If you're looking for a bitcoin hugbox, perhaps it's you who is in the wrong place

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: defined on July 08, 2016, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: groll on July 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM

... also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

If you can figure out how to send "Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles" quickly, cheaply, and anonymously through the internet, I'm all ears.

Even if the payment is seamless because of bitcoin, I'd love an explanation on how they're moving these "Weapons of mass destruction" "quickly, cheaply and anonymously through the internet", I'm all ears, because otherwise fiat cash could be exchanged simultaneously with the weapons of mass destruction. His point was that the payment method is negligible on that issue, because it would require a PHYSICAL exchange regardless.

I'll give you a hand:
1. Look at the topic of this thread.
2. Realize that it's about child porn, which is exchanged via the intertubes, requiring no "PHYSICAL exchange" of shit.
3. Feel like an idiot.

You were having an exchange with groll about weapons of mass destruction and I was simply commenting on that.. Not sure why you're calling me an idiot.
Then notice that the thread IMMEDIATELY headed in a direction that spoke of the entirety of bitcoin for illegal purposes and continue to berate me about what the title of the thread is, please.

I'm not looking for a bitcoin hug-box, but a key-feature of bitcoin is it's "decentralization" and lack of governmental regulation. To suggest that we just let the government regulate bitcoin and allow them to centralize it seems sort of idiotic. How things work "In the real world" is corruption and depravity, should we continue that cycle?

Do you remember Liberty Reserve? USD is exchanged over the intertubes too, should we negate e-commerce?

calkob

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Your right, SO why dont the governement just lock us all up in a nice cozy padded cell and then we will never be harmed again, great idea....... Roll Eyes

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2c0de

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uh, i think it's pretty hard to refute that it has made monetizing evil shit easier.

but if they somehow 'get' bitcoin then it'll move to monero and on and on and on. it's too late to go back now no matter what they try. i hope they get better at catching this human garbage.

MayorMccheese

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Quote from: RodeoX on July 08, 2016, 09:08:11 AM

We should also crack down on people disrespecting the supreme leader. Everyone knows that only a disturbed criminal can disrespect Kim Jong Un. Come on North Korea, let's kill these rats.
Roll Eyes

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It's not a question of what we should do, it's a question of what will be done to us.
Now then, WTF are you talking about?

MayorMccheese

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Quote from: EthanB on July 08, 2016, 09:08:55 AM

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:54:20 AM

Quote from: davis196 on July 08, 2016, 08:45:17 AM

Even if the government intervenes and start regulating bitcoin,the criminals will move to some altcoin and

start using dogecoin,litecoin,etc...

Then they'll regulate alts. One step at a time.

Are you advocating for government regulation of bitcoin and alt-coins holistically ? Might not be in the right place, if so.

I'm explaining how things work IRL. If you're looking for a bitcoin hugbox, perhaps it's you who is in the wrong place

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: defined on July 08, 2016, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: groll on July 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM

... also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

If you can figure out how to send "Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles" quickly, cheaply, and anonymously through the internet, I'm all ears.

Even if the payment is seamless because of bitcoin, I'd love an explanation on how they're moving these "Weapons of mass destruction" "quickly, cheaply and anonymously through the internet", I'm all ears, because otherwise fiat cash could be exchanged simultaneously with the weapons of mass destruction. His point was that the payment method is negligible on that issue, because it would require a PHYSICAL exchange regardless.

I'll give you a hand:
1. Look at the topic of this thread.
2. Realize that it's about child porn, which is exchanged via the intertubes, requiring no "PHYSICAL exchange" of shit.
3. Feel like an idiot.

Doamader

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This kind of thread makes me sick, the only problem of the world is people doing business with bitcoin, something they dont keep and always were doing with fiat. Soo close bitcoin to return those markets to the fiat, bitcoin is damaging people, stop just open your eyes, bitcoin as fiat is being used for legal and ilegal business, and nothing to do against it can be done.

EthanB

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Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:54:20 AM

Quote from: davis196 on July 08, 2016, 08:45:17 AM

Even if the government intervenes and start regulating bitcoin,the criminals will move to some altcoin and

start using dogecoin,litecoin,etc...

Then they'll regulate alts. One step at a time.

Are you advocating for government regulation of bitcoin and alt-coins holistically ? Might not be in the right place, if so.

Quote from: MayorMccheese on July 08, 2016, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: defined on July 08, 2016, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: groll on July 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM

... also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

If you can figure out how to send "Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles" quickly, cheaply, and anonymously through the internet, I'm all ears.

Even if the payment is seamless because of bitcoin, I'd love an explanation on how they're moving these "Weapons of mass destruction" "quickly, cheaply and anonymously through the internet", I'm all ears, because otherwise fiat cash could be exchanged simultaneously with the weapons of mass destruction. His point was that the payment method is negligible on that issue, because it would require a PHYSICAL exchange regardless.

RodeoX

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The revolution will be monetized!

We should also crack down on people disrespecting the supreme leader. Everyone knows that only a disturbed criminal can disrespect Kim Jong Un. Come on North Korea, let's kill these rats.

Roll Eyes

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EthanB

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Quote from: pedrog on July 08, 2016, 02:56:29 AM

Well, digital cameras and cell phones with cameras are the real culprits here...

Is there any startup trying to solve the GoPro child pornography problem?

Track the CP stream back to the source and the real culprit is definitely cameras.

Quote from: owm123 on July 08, 2016, 08:06:44 AM

Quote from: Lauda on July 08, 2016, 05:12:08 AM

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Bitcoin is a transparent ledger, therefore any criminal activity involved with Bitcoin is explicitly allowed by the governments who have all the tools they need to stop such illegal activity.

Very incorrect. Bitcoin is a pseudo-anonymous,transparent ledger. The government, nor someone else, can't tell whether a TX was used e.g. to buy groceries, or to buy drugs.

That's incorrect. Elliptic, for instance, is already tracking txs associated with illegal activities, including cp, e.g.

http://www.coinfox.info/news/5867-blockchain-to-help-tracking-child-porn-consumers
https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/06/startups-seek-to-de-anonymize-bitcoin-to-fight-crime/

I have noticed a lot of people linking addresses, payment amounts, etc. to make reasonable correlations between illegal vendors and their customers.
Sure the blockchain isn't something you can skim through and pick out illegal transactions, but the tools are there to identify these people.

Between the blockchain's transparency and traditional means of law enforcement, it's hard for me to understand how bitcoin/blockchain is seen as an enabler for this activity when it's been going on long before bitcoin and bitcoin makes the transactions publicly visible, unlike the USD which keeps everything as confidential as possible (practically encouraging shady behavior)

MayorMccheese

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Quote from: defined on July 08, 2016, 08:57:34 AM

Quote from: groll on July 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM

... also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

If you can figure out how to send "Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles" quickly, cheaply, and anonymously through the internet, I'm all ears.

defined

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Quote from: groll on July 08, 2016, 12:58:03 AM

... also purchase of drugs and other illegal equipments. We may not know but maybe terrorists are buying weapon of mass destruction using bitcoin

They can use anything to trade for illegal items. Gold, silver, weapons, cars, jets, art or wine bottles. Keeping the terrorists out of your country is a better solution. Do not make everything illegal.

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