That is very true, you pointed out an important issue for discussion. If everyone follows the freedom as it is supposed to be the government will use it against people. But that is not my emphasis. My emphasis is within the bitcoiners, not everyone has all it takes to follow Satoshi standards strictly, so people who are unable to meet up should not be chastised or seen as anti bitcoiners. Freedom that bitcoin offers should be absolute.
Bitcoin is the top investment in crypto and getting enticed by it would be good news for some people while bad news to some. Freedom of Bitcoin is not mere talking but putting it into work will definitely proved about those taking it serious and those that are not. Following the freedom of bitcoin will lead some people far away because some get easily carried away by these crypto projects with enough distraction. Only the process alone is big stress to people and they might not be able to matchup the work required or involved, thereby making them to drop without second thought. 
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My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
^You pointed it out and it is definitely right.My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
But the problem is our government, they want us always be regulated that should not have freedom because this freedom that we seek could be used against them. Good thing we have BTC that can be used as our freedom, so if the owner of the BTC is willing to be regulated by the government and use a centralized exchange because that person is nothing to hide even if there is a KYC procedure, that is freedom. But the true meaning of freedom is that you are free whatever you do in your coin, anytime, everywhere and your coin, your decision must be followed.
Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
I get your point, and you have made sound arguments regarding the role of freedom in the situation with bitcoin and the people, but as it stands today, I don't think it has come to a point where people who exercise their "freedom" as you put it have been persecuted for such, although of course the wiser ones in here would furrow their eyebrows at the sight of such behavior, especially now that situation in the cryptocurrency world is a bit awry thanks to FTX and SBF. For the most part, advise is what the people of this forum give to the people who are none the wiser with the things that involve bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole. So I don't think there's an anti-bitcoin statement made at least. Although again, I cannot stress this enough, the freedom that Satoshi Nakamoto introduced is just beautiful we can't emphasize how big of an impact it had made to us. My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
- If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
- If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
- If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
- If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
- If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
I admire Satoshi's motivation behind bitcoin's lack of third-party participation, full control over your money, freedom from fees and laws, and lack of paperwork compared to banks. Even with bitcoin's foundational anonymity, it stands strong despite hacks and frauds. Even though bitcoin has a great deal of freedom, it is not without risk. Scammers are constantly coming up with new ways to steal peoples' money, and there are numerous warnings about scams and keeping your money in an online account, as they say, "Not your keys, not your coin." It is always safer to keep your money in a wallet and make sure the seed phrase is well-secured. And speaking of not knowing how much you have, I believe that is the greatest option. In addition, I believe that knowing who you share your private key with is important for security reasons.
I think what you are trying to say there is that each person has their own freedom, that they can do whatever they want. If so then what is the point of adding btc there? However, btc is also created for the same purpose and that is for the people to have freedom from banks and governments. Satoshi didn't do anything wrong but the regulations that we are experiencing lately are introduced by the governments. This doesn't interfere the true bitcoiners because they mainly use decentralized platforms for their needs.
If there is one thing that btc users are whining about, that is they badly want to see Satoshi Nakamoto. These people can't seem to be contented with what satoshi has to offer but they also wasn't to invade the privacy of the guy.
If there is one thing that btc users are whining about, that is they badly want to see Satoshi Nakamoto. These people can't seem to be contented with what satoshi has to offer but they also wasn't to invade the privacy of the guy.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
I guess you're mentioning dictate if it's a typo.
Ofcourse you can decide how to use your money and if you want to share with everyone then share your private keys to public and announce anyone is in need can use this money.
Doing KYC on exchange's is not anti bitcoinersm, but it makes the centralized exchanges to gain authority over decentralisation which is not Satoshi really expected to happen.
Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
- If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
- If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
- If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
- If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
- If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
You are confusing the word freedom with the word privacy. All you have listed are concepts that can become freedom if done with the right privacy but if you don't take care of your privacy first how can you claim freedom afterwards? I'll give you a trivial example, a centralized exchange who asks for your KYC documents has already invaded your privacy but at the same time has made you less free because it will only send your documents to the authorities. Instead if you had used a p2p and you would have secured your privacy then you would have untraced Bitcoins and your freedom. It's easy to be free, it's hard to stay free.
I'll be honest, I didn't understand anything you wrote. Maybe you either misunderstood yourself or used a translator?
I didn't understand what you mean by the concept of freedom and decentralization. We all know how important this is but it's not the only thing to be free.
As I have already explained, freedom is not achieved without taking care of one's privacy.
Centralized wallets? Again I don't understand what it means, do you mean something like Chivo? See what's happening in El Salvador.
Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
- If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
- If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
- If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
- If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
- If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
You are confusing the word freedom with the word privacy. All you have listed are concepts that can become freedom if done with the right privacy but if you don't take care of your privacy first how can you claim freedom afterwards? I'll give you a trivial example, a centralized exchange who asks for your KYC documents has already invaded your privacy but at the same time has made you less free because it will only send your documents to the authorities. Instead if you had used a p2p and you would have secured your privacy then you would have untraced Bitcoins and your freedom. It's easy to be free, it's hard to stay free.
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My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
^You pointed it out and it is definitely right.My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
But the problem is our government, they want us always be regulated that should not have freedom because this freedom that we seek could be used against them. Good thing we have BTC that can be used as our freedom, so if the owner of the BTC is willing to be regulated by the government and use a centralized exchange because that person is nothing to hide even if there is a KYC procedure, that is freedom. But the true meaning of freedom is that you are free whatever you do in your coin, anytime, everywhere and your coin, your decision must be followed.
Bitcoin was created by Satoshi Nakamoto to make us not to be dependent on third parties such as government and banks to control our money. Satoshi gave us the opportunity to control your coins (money) without the interference of anyone. He also made us know that bitcoin is an alternative currency to fiat. This will mean that there is no limitation with bitcoin. Bitcoin is an absolute freedom.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
My point is that people should stop making others feel that they are not enjoying the freedom introduced by Satoshi by not following bitcoin principles strictly. Freedom is freedom and should mean freedom.
- If I decide to live a private life that no one knows how much I own, that is great and it is called freedom
- If I decide to do KYC on all the exchanges and gambling sites, that is freedom
- If I decide to leave my coins on exchanges, that is my choice, and it is called freedom
- If I decide to share my private key with everyone I know, that is freedom
- If I decide to use and reuse one particular address for all my transactions, that is freedom
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
You are confusing the word freedom with the word privacy. All you have listed are concepts that can become freedom if done with the right privacy but if you don't take care of your privacy first how can you claim freedom afterwards? I'll give you a trivial example, a centralized exchange who asks for your KYC documents has already invaded your privacy but at the same time has made you less free because it will only send your documents to the authorities. Instead if you had used a p2p and you would have secured your privacy then you would have untraced Bitcoins and your freedom. It's easy to be free, it's hard to stay free.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
I don't think anyone is forcing anyone here on how to enjoy their freedom, what's ongoing on the forum is just the passing on of the correct information that people have misunderstood because of the way the media has reported it. If you aren't using Bitcoin with privacy in mind then you aren't truely enjoying the freedom that was meant by Satoshi. You can't say carrying out KYC on exchange are freedom. If it was freedom then the exchanges would had given you a choice but with them you don't have a choice but must do as they say so that isn't freedom.
Freedom isn't withholding my money and denying me access to them, freedom isn't putting my account on restrictions and demanding I provide verification on how I optioned such funds. Freedom isn't using centralized exchange mate, you won't understand all this until it happens to you. Freedom is decentralization and that's why bitcoin was invented
Yeah this is pretty well said and I agree with your over all point here. The way I take it, anyhow for example ..just because this person prefers this type of regulation, or this aspect of bitcoin over something maybe a “traditionalist” is against, doesn’t make them any lesser of utilizing bitcoins freedom, it’s just its in their own way. Or perhaps I’m just overthinking this, and not sure that even makes sense lol.
Lol... You are making sense mate. If I try to keep my private keys secret and safe and after 2years I cannot keep track of where I kept it, due to memory failure or other factors. Next year I force myself again and cannot and then I register with an exchange and is able not to lose fund for 5yrs. Exchange could be freedom to me.
I have seen people who took their private key to save in the bank, and belive that it is safe...lol. Something is wrong somewhere. Anyone should use bitcoin in a way that gives them their freedom, this will encourage more adoption.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
I love this statement! This is super true! Freedom should not come with terms and conditions or anything attached to it! So if a bitcoin owner wants to do kyc and wants to pay taxes on the transactions and profit - that's freedom!
Shying away from taxes and regulations will only make our life worse because the entire system is centralized and connected. Bitcoin 9r cryptocurrency market is not matured to such a level where you can just live off it. If you want to fully realise the potential of the bitcoin you are holding, at some point of time you will have to integrate with the real economy!
Our entire life depends on the choice we make and how we manage the situation around us, bitcoin decentralization gave us the right to privacy but how we decide to stay private is our entire responsibility, when asking for KYC you have the right to either share it or walk away to a more decentralized platform but once you need to use centralized service you can choose to what level you want to expose your identity.
But as much as possible we should be careful with how we give up our documents to third parties for KYC purposes is risky to take for example the FTX exchange hackers may not only take money but also the may have stolen millions of user documents and using such for identity scam, this and many more is the reason why KYC is discouraged
But as much as possible we should be careful with how we give up our documents to third parties for KYC purposes is risky to take for example the FTX exchange hackers may not only take money but also the may have stolen millions of user documents and using such for identity scam, this and many more is the reason why KYC is discouraged
When it gets to freedom, I think people really do not understand what it means and what it stands for. It is your choice to choose what you feel to do is right for you. Without being misunderstood, freedom is not bias. Freedom is applicable in the blockchain industry. As we all know why Satoshi invented the Bitcoin. It was for the sake of freedom Bitcoin was invented so as third party would be avoided, Government would be put off our transaction. However it is unfortunate that centralised exchange does not see that and are against the major reason blockchain was invented. Nevertheless, kyc was brought in which is entirely and totally different from the Satoshi goal but it is left for each individual to choose whether to do it or not. The choice is yours as you have your freedom and right to make your decision.
Freedom is freedom indeed.
Freedom is priceless.
Freedom is power
Freedom is democratic.
Freedom is a choice.
Freedom is not bias.
Freedom is your right!
Freedom is freedom indeed.
Freedom is priceless.
Freedom is power
Freedom is democratic.
Freedom is a choice.
Freedom is not bias.
Freedom is your right!
Wouldn't OPs idea of freedom only apply if no other factors would be involved? I mean I'm totally down to store my money in exchanges if exchanges weren't free to lock it and steal it, but no, we agreed when we used their services that they have the freedom to not be responsible if your funds were lost. You exercised your freedom only to lose it to another party, which kind of makes it like it's not a matter of freedom anymore but of common sense.
My point is, no one should detect for anyone how to enjoy the freedom. You can only advice or teach, stop seeing people using exchanges or doing kyc as anti bitcoin.
To use your logic, they're technically free to say to others how to enjoy their freedom
That's a human decision. It's called "free will". Satoshi just offered the technology. We have to decide at how far we are willing to take to make it secure.
We learn things, we see exchanges bankruptcy a lot of times, it scares the hell out of us if it does happen at where we are keeping our Bitcoin.
This is why having a cold wallet is the "best advice". You are not forced, you still have a choice but that's the best option for security.
It's just sad though because it was repeatedly suggested, and yet lesser people are listening.
Sure you can do what you want with Bitcoin, that's yours, you own it, but how about those going back here crying about what happened to them.
It's a risk that we should also be willing to take, no running back to mommy.
We learn things, we see exchanges bankruptcy a lot of times, it scares the hell out of us if it does happen at where we are keeping our Bitcoin.
This is why having a cold wallet is the "best advice". You are not forced, you still have a choice but that's the best option for security.
It's just sad though because it was repeatedly suggested, and yet lesser people are listening.
Sure you can do what you want with Bitcoin, that's yours, you own it, but how about those going back here crying about what happened to them.
It's a risk that we should also be willing to take, no running back to mommy.
Exchanges are not like banks, although both are centralized, you cannot compare the safety of the two. Leaving money on an exchange is too risky but with a bank, our money is much safer.
Both are centralized by central banks and centralized exchanges but it is like difference between fiat currency and stable coin. Fiat currency is safer than stable coin if we compare USD and USDT or other stable coins want to peg with USD. At least the US government won't let USD loses its value too much in a few hours or few days like how UST stablecoin de-pegged and lost most of its value.People have freedom and they are free to pick either fiat currencies or stable coins or Bitcoin.
Bitcoin was developed as a peer-to-peer electronic currency. This means that the transaction will be borderless, with no involvement from a third party. So, Bitcoin facilitates financial freedom. We can do whatever we want with our Bitcoin, and no one will ask or track you if you keep your privacy. No one can tell how much you won unless your addresses are public. Of course, you must use non-custodial wallets for this. If you use third-party wallets, they have access to all of your coins.
If bitcoin is made as an alternative currency to the Fiat currency from your point of view, then there is a limitation in it which is also contrary to your point. Like if I want to buy shirt in my locality I can't use bitcoin to buy the clothes so I have to sell the bitcoin first before I can use the Fiat money to pay for shirt. And that is a big limitation of bitcoin. Bitcoin is an alternative coin, and that means bitcoin did not come to take over Fiat currency but it came to support it and make it stronger. The only thing is that bitcoin removed the third party control. Everyone control their funds. So if you have 1 BTC for 10 years, your 1 BTC is still intact. But in Fiat banks it you have 1 million, it will reduce within 1 year because their service maintenance fees, electronic maintenance levy, card maintenance levy, SMS levy, USSD levy and Internet Maintenance levy etc. Because of all these levies and fees, BTC comes the best of all.
The sad thing about the current situation is that people do not really keep their coins, they give it to others and that creates all these trouble. The latest one was once again an exchange, FTX, where people trusted their coins to them and they lost it and now people do not have their funds, while bitcoin itself is decentralized and gives you freedom, if you give up that freedom and give others your money, then you should not be shocked to learn that they used your money for bad stuff and lost it. This is why bitcoin is not just a tech, but it is an idea and the tech part may have been understood but the idea behind it is still not fully comprehended.
Exchanges are not like banks, although both are centralized, you cannot compare the safety of the two. Leaving money on an exchange is too risky but with a bank, our money is much safer.
Bitcoin is decentralized, it gives us freedom and self-determination to protect our assets but putting all your assets in bitcoin does not guarantee our security. Given bitcoin's volatility, it's still a good investment, but not a reliable place to store money. If you convert all your money to bitcoins at the beginning of the year your asset value will drop more than 75% right now, but if you deposit it in the bank, you will lose only a few % of its value. Both have their own benefits, so why not combine but compare and choose only one when we can use both?
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