Topic: Bitcoin's freedom is Absolute! - page 3. (Read 580 times)

Yeah this is pretty well said and I agree with your over all point here. The way I take it, anyhow for example ..just because this person prefers this type of regulation, or this aspect of bitcoin over something maybe a “traditionalist”  is against, doesn’t make them any lesser of utilizing bitcoins freedom, it’s just its in their own way.  Or perhaps I’m just overthinking this, and not sure that even makes sense lol.

How do you define freedom, then?

It's not as if our choices aren't influenced to a certain degree by external factors. No single decision is made in a vacuum. There are always circumstances surrounding each and every decision that we make. There's nothing absolute in this world.

People submitting KYC; are they absolutely free in choosing to do that? People leaving funds in centralized exchanges; do they know its implications and risks? Are they completely informed of all the possibilities arising from it? People who repeatedly use their addresses; are they aware of what it means? Those who share private keys; are they acting absolutely free or they're simply ignorant?

Yes, you possess the "freedom" to remain financially enslaved to middlemen who profit from everything you do.  Entirely your prerogative.  They can charge you fees, sell your financially sensitive personal information to whoever they like and, sooner or later, lose all the BTC you've handed to them, as tends to occur quite frequently.  And then you'll have the freedom to whine about it as though it were someone else's fault.  All of that is certainly a choice you could make.  You're also free to squander every other opportunity available to you in life.  Would be a bit of a waste, though.  

Maybe learn to properly leverage the tools you've been given and you might discover even greater freedom than you envisioned?

Maybe you misquoting the whole phrase here, generally people around the forum is not trying to limits anyone from enjoying the freedom or even standing as anti bitcoin, what i only noticed is that "counseling" is most important key in this forum which i know people are standing to be, as a beginner they should be guided thoroughly to know what is good and not otherwise they could fall prey possibly all funds might be stolen. Lemme ask you, what would you enjoy or benefits seeing your fellow forum users or probably same rank with you complaining about his stolen funds from his wallets or exchange account what would you take them as?
After spending many years here reading / research and you noticed such thing happened to them, would you be happy at that point?
The answer is "No" because what i think is actually happening is "counseling" so that they could know how to enjoy their freedom not by the other way round sir.

Yes it is true, Freedom is Freedom.

Thank you

I had never perceived people using centralized exchanges or even complying with KYC or even using custodial wallet as anti-Bitcoin. Sure, they might not be the one in full control of their assets or whatever coins they are holding, but I am pretty sure they are using it over fiat for a reason obviously.
It is your responsibility in the end on what will happen to your assets anyway, let alone that you invested your money to whatever coin is out there in CMC that you first saw. The only thing you should not do after that is blame other people for whatever stupidity you ended up with due to your obvious negligence.

So does smoking, drinking, driving, and eating unhealthy. So, we should make a committee and decide that people should not be allowed to do anything that might be harmful to them and might have consequences?

We had another topic where someone was criticizing banks for not allowing him to deposits to a crypto exchange, by the same "protectionism" banks did a good thing since they didn't allow you to deposit money on an unlicensed exchange that requires you KYC and might run with you coins and sell your data!
Your keys, your coins, your decision, it might be stupid, in some cases it's really stupid but you can't force anyone to stop doing it.
If someone wants to trade his bitcoins for shitcoincash, should there be a law against it?  


Hello, Sadolf Nakatler!
And here we go across the thin line where you suddenly want to turn people into slaves because they are not playing along with your view. At first is for punishment for criminals, then for the ones with a different opinion, then for the ones that don't do every single thing you ask them to. As always, from freedom advocates to tyrannically despotism it's just one tiny step, usually because somebody thinks he is smarter than the rest of the world and everyone else is dumb so he must follow his rule.

Being on bitcointalk and reading how we need to turn bad guys into slaves and send them to mental hospitals sure seems unreal.

Of course, you are free to do whatever you want with your bitcoin, as long as you not creating problems for others and probably for your self with the freedom.  By the way, Satoshi created Bitcoin for people who want to escape the fiat currency and banking systems ruin/corrupted by people who misused their freedom . He didn't create Bitcoin to be misused or abused too... He likely anticipated such abusers/misusers and made sure they do not somehow hijack Bitcoin system and corrupt it for others like fiat currency systems are being corrupted. You can rightly say he created bitcoin to be fool-proof system based on pretty solid principles like privacy/anonymity, transparency, immutability, decentralization, fair-rules, etc.
There will definitely be punishment for those use their freedom in Bitcoin space to harm others . They could be jailed, be fined, sent to mental hospital, even be enslaved, etc. Beside, Bitcoin is more suitable for the Free not slaves, because it's a expected they will be responsible enough to use Bitcoin right without misusing or abusing it and creating problems for society.



More on the Bitcoin and freedom, I believe it's better to restrict this freedom to individuals rather than companies or businesses who could use it to encourage Bitcoin users to be irresponsible and reckless due to greed or foolishness by encouraging more them to use Bitcoin wrongly thereby creating massive problems for the Bitcoin/crypto space.  This is why it's important to emphasize more on decentralized and non-custodial companies/businesses, to prevent fools that could use their "freedom" and ruin it all for thousands/millions of people who probably don't know what they are doing

Wikipedia defines freedom as either having the ability to act or change without constraint or to possess the power and resources to fulfill one's purposes unhindered. Totally agree with the OP - being free to choose how and in what matter you do what you want with your bitcoin without restriction is what freedom it. Sadly, most persons have made themselves the custodian or gatekeepers of freedom in relation to bitcoin which is not suppose to be. Live and let live.

Hmm..Freedom makes you do whatever you want to do but it doesn't guarantee your safety when you disregard the purpose of freedom. Satoshi created Bitcoin to make people have financial freedom but not freedom to go against Bitcoin concept. Giving someone your private keys is not freedom because you will leave to learn a hard lesson from that action.

Bitcoin is decentralized and we should ensure that it remains decentralized, so that the purpose of bitcoin and its benefits can be achieved instead of the opposite of it.
1. If you keep your bitcoin in a centralized system, you have given your bitcoin freedom.
2. If you give your password to whoever you want to ,you have given your bitcoin freedom.
3. If you are ignorant about listening on tips on how to keep your bitcoin secured,you have given your bitcoin freedom.

The sad thing about the current situation is that people do not really keep their coins, they give it to others and that creates all these trouble. The latest one was once again an exchange, FTX, where people trusted their coins to them and they lost it and now people do not have their funds, while bitcoin itself is decentralized and gives you freedom, if you give up that freedom and give others your money, then you should not be shocked to learn that they used your money for bad stuff and lost it.

This is why bitcoin is not just a tech, but it is an idea and the tech part may have been understood but the idea behind it is still not fully comprehended.

If bitcoin is made as an alternative currency to the Fiat currency from your point of view, then there is a limitation in it which is also contrary to your point. Like if I want to buy shirt in my locality I can't use bitcoin to buy the clothes so I have to sell the bitcoin first before I can use the Fiat money to pay for shirt. And that is a big limitation of bitcoin. Bitcoin is an alternative coin, and that means bitcoin did not come to take over Fiat currency but it came to support it and make it stronger. The only thing is that bitcoin removed the third party control. Everyone control their funds. So if you have 1 BTC for 10 years, your 1 BTC is still intact. But in Fiat banks it you have 1 million, it will reduce within 1 year because their service maintenance fees, electronic maintenance levy, card maintenance levy, SMS levy, USSD levy and Internet Maintenance levy etc. Because of all these levies and fees, BTC comes the best of all.

Of course by having Crypto you can be in full freedom but still we are living in Centralized Market. I have read news that Us will search 5 exchanges, Binance, karakeen, kucoin and other exchanges so that they might get info about the 20 million dollars of laundring money. So i do not think that still we can be more Private..
And also we Do peer to peer trading on Binance and other platforms and still out bank details and other such info is available at these exchanges and that's not we are so private.

You can call it "freedom" and I have nothing against you living that way, but all that you mentioned does not only cause possible problems for you, it is also the reason why catastrophic things like Mt.Gox, Quadriga, Luna or FTX happen to us, along with dozens or hundreds of smaller ones that were not globally exposed. It's not a matter of following the principles blindly and 100%, but of respecting some basic things - that has nothing to do with the freedom you're talking about.


Bitcoin was conceived as a decentralized cryptocurrency, and anyone who uses centralized ways of storing it is somehow wrong - millions of BTC are currently in such storage and it is simply anti-Bitcoin. When the next big scandal breaks out, then call on "freedom" again, and don't ask why the new crash happened.

Yes free will is amazing. I can jump off a cliff whenever I want. That’s pretty amazing and provides for some great existential thought seshes.

Don’t steer people in a direction that embraces KYC, however.

In a fairly narrow sense, freedom means that you are free to do whatever you want, no matter what anyone says. But when you start to realize that not your keys aren't your bitcoin, then your financial freedom is actually limited.

Bitcoin gives you financial freedom where you can completely control your money right in your own hands, just like you have your own bank. But people can choose their own path because their money is their responsibility. The best for others is not necessarily the best for us, and vice versa.

It's indeed freedom if people comprehend what are they truly doing. Can we still call someone exercising or having freedom, while they cannot abstract what are they doing?

Take this, in regard to privacy, if some people cannot figure out how much privacy about themselves that being taken out by not following a privacy-oriented way of usage, it's neither freedom nor ignorant. They simply just did not have awareness or knowledge regarding how to do it properly and/or of what is the consequences of doing so. My thought is that people sometimes just unaware of how much they can maximize some things.

doing KYC is an obligation to facilitate transactions with third parties in my opinion, as long as we use and comply with the rules I think whatever is written doesn't matter because the view of freedom is different for everyone
I am not an anti-bitcoin group and I am also open to those who support the government / third parties in managing my finances, I only follow the rules and the flow of bitcoin movement with the aim of making my way easier
and I agree that Bitcoin Freedom is Absolute

Maybe in different meaning or context. But freedom is something you are in control. What you said is your choice to do and definitely its freedom. What others says are those who wanted a freedom will avoid a close system wherein they cant access if theres problem with the exchange. See what happened on other platform like FTX, thats something very dangerous for your asset.

Why not? It's a correct observation that by using Bitcoin in a centralized manner, like storing it on exchange, you lose a lot of the benefits of Bitcoin and introduce the same old risks of the traditional finance systems. Just because you are free to do something, it doesn't mean that it's a good idea or others shouldn't be able to dissuade you from doing so.

No. It isn't called freedom. It's called responsibility(freedom and responsibility can be viewed as one thing, but being irresponsible has little to do with freedom). Every person is responsible for his/her own financial situation. The people are responsible for their own financial mistakes, but sometimes they simply get manipulated and lied to. In that case, the scammers take the responsibility.
I don't think that using crypto exchanges and doing KYC is anti-Bitcoin. KYC is required by the law and the people are complying to the rules.
Trusting a third party with your coins/money is definitely anti-Bitcoin, because the whole concept of Bitcoin is to NEVER trust or rely on a third party. Be your own bank. Satoshi never told us to trust custodial centralized crypto exchanges.