How much in total did they scam people?
And please, any DT member seeing a self moderated thread for a service, please tag them as not scammer, but untrustworthy behavior, it could help to prevent a lot of scams. Please.
Topic: 'Bitcointalk forum is going downhill because of dkbit98' - CoinPayCard.net SCAM - page 2. (Read 1364 times)
February 26, 2023, 02:17:54 PM
February 26, 2023, 06:01:15 AM
You are a reputable member whenever you noticed a suspicious activity your tag is already okay for them after which you can set such user or topic on the ignore list and let them be. Even their english are poorly written and I hardly comprehend their writeup, also know one thing too well that only those who don't mean will to this forum (intention to scam) that would definitely panic this way.
February 25, 2023, 11:54:15 PM
I've seen this behaviour before, and it's typically the ones without good intentions that don't like logical questions.
You are right and for them, it came true. They left the forum on February 22, 2023, 09:30:46 PM and one person already claimed about the scam happened by CoinPayCard.net According to that person CoinPayCard.net scammed 800$ which can be seen here. They proved them as scammer.
February 24, 2023, 03:55:54 PM
Its an mobile application which allows to create virtual cards and they location is same as CoinPayCard's billing address
I tried clicking on links posted to download this PayDay app but it doesn't work for me, and I can't finds this aps anywhere.On their twitter account Payday is saying they are Virtual Mastercards and Visa cards for Africans, specific country is Nigeria.
If address is same as for CoinPayCard than there must be some connection.
Could they be using this to generate cards? If so what could be the reason they failed to get this going (if it wasn't all about running off)
I don't understand what you are trying to say.They are obviously gone from forum, telegram and ''cards'' currently don't work like they should.
For creating Scam accusation and flag against them you need to create your own topic with proof/images how much money you lost, and conversation with support.
February 24, 2023, 02:37:51 PM
Yooo That's crazy 
We been thinking they still legit from a very short time
cuz the problem was really common and I've had to contact them via chat every time this happened and they instantly fixed it (When I had deposited a lot more than I did that time)
that's why I am seeing this very weird
I'm still curious to know what happened fr
Also I've done a simple search, idk if it's related or not - just some BS
All card used to have this billing address:
"256 Chapman Road"
https://i.ibb.co/wrbS2vd/Capture.png
By googling the address, I found this website https://www.usepayday.com/
Its an mobile application which allows to create virtual cards and they location is same as CoinPayCard's billing address
https://i.ibb.co/z5FNTmD/2.png
https://i.ibb.co/XDCKSRx/3.png
Could they be using this to generate cards? If so what could be the reason they failed to get this going (if it wasn't all about running off)
Edit: I found this shit too
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61569409
I will make a small update here.
they (or he, because I think one person is behind everything) are still active on their service, but apparently, they decide not to respond to complaints. until now he only gave responses here on the forum through PM, but even that stopped.
I tried to contact him through live chat on the website, asking a banal question, and pretending to be a future customer and I got a reply in a normal time period, around 3 min.
it seems that it is still accepting new users while ignoring the existing ones and keeping their money. I would say an obvious exit scam.
https://i.ibb.co/QQXndgv/image.png
even if there is a bug, they should inform all existing users and temporarily stop the registration of new ones, because their system does not work.
I'm not sure I can say sorry for someone's loss here, especially not for the more experienced members.
We been thinking they still legit from a very short time
cuz the problem was really common and I've had to contact them via chat every time this happened and they instantly fixed it (When I had deposited a lot more than I did that time)
that's why I am seeing this very weird
I'm still curious to know what happened fr
Also I've done a simple search, idk if it's related or not - just some BS
All card used to have this billing address:
"256 Chapman Road"
https://i.ibb.co/wrbS2vd/Capture.png
By googling the address, I found this website https://www.usepayday.com/
Its an mobile application which allows to create virtual cards and they location is same as CoinPayCard's billing address
https://i.ibb.co/z5FNTmD/2.png
https://i.ibb.co/XDCKSRx/3.png
Could they be using this to generate cards? If so what could be the reason they failed to get this going (if it wasn't all about running off)
Edit: I found this shit too
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61569409
I also do not approve of the forum PM-only support I've been getting. Let's wait and see what happens and if they somehow take everyone's card funds away I'm opening a type 3 flag against them.
I will make a small update here.
they (or he, because I think one person is behind everything) are still active on their service, but apparently, they decide not to respond to complaints. until now he only gave responses here on the forum through PM, but even that stopped.
I tried to contact him through live chat on the website, asking a banal question, and pretending to be a future customer and I got a reply in a normal time period, around 3 min.
it seems that it is still accepting new users while ignoring the existing ones and keeping their money. I would say an obvious exit scam.
https://i.ibb.co/QQXndgv/image.png
even if there is a bug, they should inform all existing users and temporarily stop the registration of new ones, because their system does not work.
I'm not sure I can say sorry for someone's loss here, especially not for the more experienced members.
February 24, 2023, 12:56:50 PM
I tried to contact him through live chat on the website, asking a banal question, and pretending to be a future customer and I got a reply in a normal time period, around 3 min.
it seems that it is still accepting new users while ignoring the existing ones and keeping their money. I would say an obvious exit scam.
Oh you are lucky if you received any reply from him it seems that it is still accepting new users while ignoring the existing ones and keeping their money. I would say an obvious exit scam.
I tried contacting them several times in different times of the day but without success, and I can still register and send coins for new ''invisible''cards.
If they don't show up in forum and refund money to their customers, I will have to give them negative feedback and damaged customer should create a flag against them.
even if there is a bug, they should inform all existing users and temporarily stop the registration of new ones, because their system does not work.
I'm not sure I can say sorry for someone's loss here, especially not for the more experienced members.
They don't have to do it in forum first, but they have so much options like twitter, telegram and website, but there is no word from them. I'm not sure I can say sorry for someone's loss here, especially not for the more experienced members.
February 24, 2023, 12:33:56 PM
I also do not approve of the forum PM-only support I've been getting. Let's wait and see what happens and if they somehow take everyone's card funds away I'm opening a type 3 flag against them.
I will make a small update here.
they (or he, because I think one person is behind everything) are still active on their service, but apparently, they decide not to respond to complaints. until now he only gave responses here on the forum through PM, but even that stopped.
I tried to contact him through live chat on the website, asking a banal question, and pretending to be a future customer and I got a reply in a normal time period, around 3 min.
it seems that it is still accepting new users while ignoring the existing ones and keeping their money. I would say an obvious exit scam.
even if there is a bug, they should inform all existing users and temporarily stop the registration of new ones, because their system does not work.
I'm not sure I can say sorry for someone's loss here, especially not for the more experienced members.
February 23, 2023, 11:24:24 PM
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
I can't really accept providing support only through PM on the forum as acceptable behaviour for any serious business.
also:
Quote
CoinPayCard reserves the right to modify or terminate the service at any time, without notice.
it is very difficult to understand for those who deposited their coins there even after everything was exposed.
I also do not approve of the forum PM-only support I've been getting. Let's wait and see what happens and if they somehow take everyone's card funds away I'm opening a type 3 flag against them.
February 23, 2023, 07:42:16 PM
Not trying to defend them or anything, but I want to write about my experience with this issue.
I didn't give it a red tag, primarily because of your feedback. To me, it looked almost as if you were vouching for him, you also helped him in his defence in some other threads besides his ANN. Jollygood, who is always quite aggressive at any hint of the possibility of a scam, was also in an amiable tone. that turned me to give them more time.
since I haven't tried that service myself, so I can't claim anything based on personal experience, I thought you wouldn't risk your reputation because of such an unconvincing "business". but we can all make mistakes.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
I can't really accept providing support only through PM on the forum as acceptable behaviour for any serious business.
also:
Quote
CoinPayCard reserves the right to modify or terminate the service at any time, without notice.
it is very difficult to understand for those who deposited their coins there even after everything was exposed.
February 23, 2023, 03:10:00 PM
I didn't like this from the beginning, just because of the way of communication and a lot of illogic behind them. for some reason, posts with a negative connotation in their ANN are no longer deleted as if they gave up on that and that's why it sounds like an exit scam to me.
I feel the same way, that is why I can sometimes sound harsh to new crypto business that appears in forum, it's my basic test or litmus paper for scams.They really tried to cover their tracks with creating and locking bunch of topics, arguing with me and other members, and in the end they offered me again free cards in PM.
Few members took those fee cards and they defended them, so I find them partially responsible for potential scam.
Not trying to defend them or anything, but I want to write about my experience with this issue.
Not trying so hard, but you are (again) defending them 
API problem does not explain why there is NO support, why that page is missing from their website, why there is no reply on telegram and in bitcointalk forum....
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
This is not true!I personally asked them several questions with support on their website, and now their whole support page is down.
You should be really careful next time when you accept shady offers like this in public, especially since you are in DT1 if that crap is relevant at all anymore
Let's not forget that you did a review for them, as agreed:
Well strangely the ANN thread is locked, but I made an agreement with CoinPayCard to post my review of their card, so I will put it here.
I got a hold of the $99 Basic CoinPayCard, which has a $200 monthly spending limit and tried it out for a week. Here was my experience with that.
First of all it is a virtual card so I wasn't expecting to be able to buy physical stuff it, so I was pleasantly surprised when I was able to link it to an eBay and Newegg account - although I did not attempt to buy anything with it on those sites, see below for why.
My first purchase was a WinRAR license key (because I happen to be a huge nerd). I had set it to send me en email of the key, instead of any physical shipment. However, that order was declined. I'm not sure why, but the WinRAR people were manually processing that order. Hence why I decided not to buy anything on ecommerce sites.
Though, I have successfully purchased a number of other stuff with it, using different payment processors:
- Github Pro
- Bootstrap Studio
- a bunch of Udemy courses (this used Stripe)
Note: I tried to top up my Vast.ai account with this card, but it was declined, even thoigh it also uses Stripe. That's probably because computing vendors have an anti-VCC policy, in general.
So this card will work almost everywhere (except for cloud computing sites).
I loaded the card using a P2P transfer of USDT and also using ChangeNOW, and did not encounter any problems. I really got my money's worth out of it and will definitely use it some more.
I got a hold of the $99 Basic CoinPayCard, which has a $200 monthly spending limit and tried it out for a week. Here was my experience with that.
First of all it is a virtual card so I wasn't expecting to be able to buy physical stuff it, so I was pleasantly surprised when I was able to link it to an eBay and Newegg account - although I did not attempt to buy anything with it on those sites, see below for why.
My first purchase was a WinRAR license key (because I happen to be a huge nerd). I had set it to send me en email of the key, instead of any physical shipment. However, that order was declined. I'm not sure why, but the WinRAR people were manually processing that order. Hence why I decided not to buy anything on ecommerce sites.
Though, I have successfully purchased a number of other stuff with it, using different payment processors:
- Github Pro
- Bootstrap Studio
- a bunch of Udemy courses (this used Stripe)
Note: I tried to top up my Vast.ai account with this card, but it was declined, even thoigh it also uses Stripe. That's probably because computing vendors have an anti-VCC policy, in general.
So this card will work almost everywhere (except for cloud computing sites).
I loaded the card using a P2P transfer of USDT and also using ChangeNOW, and did not encounter any problems. I really got my money's worth out of it and will definitely use it some more.
Still not a bunch of people I would want to deal with, due to their attitude and the T&C they have.
Especially after I tried real hard to prove a point and show how shady they are.
February 23, 2023, 06:59:35 AM
Not trying to defend them or anything, but I want to write about my experience with this issue.
I remember in one PM I had with the Coinpaycard forum rep after I experienced this issue (for the 3rd time), he told me that the banking API they use would credit those funds which were loaded, but the website itself has an error and would not show the updated balance.
Each time, this happened when loading the card from the account balance, not when refilling the account balance itself.
One time (and this happened some time around Feb 1st) my balance was showing some really small amount, like $4 or something after I loaded about $60 or $70, but meanwhile my OpenAI payment was successfully processed during this time. I got invoiced, but the card statement was out-of-date.
First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
I remember in one PM I had with the Coinpaycard forum rep after I experienced this issue (for the 3rd time), he told me that the banking API they use would credit those funds which were loaded, but the website itself has an error and would not show the updated balance.
Each time, this happened when loading the card from the account balance, not when refilling the account balance itself.
One time (and this happened some time around Feb 1st) my balance was showing some really small amount, like $4 or something after I loaded about $60 or $70, but meanwhile my OpenAI payment was successfully processed during this time. I got invoiced, but the card statement was out-of-date.
First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
If that is the case then they either need to get a dedicated customer service rep to handle what has to be done or fix the issue. With all the other complaints it's going to becomes a disaster very quickly. If they are doing it properly it should be a quick call to the banks API for balance.
Still not a bunch of people I would want to deal with, due to their attitude and the T&C they have.
-Dave
February 23, 2023, 06:24:04 AM
First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
That is, you have the balance on your card and you can use it, but it does not appear on the app/website, is that it?
That is correct it seems.
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I think that a service like this, having a failure like that in the API is very serious. They should try to resolve this as soon as possible. And they should even give an alert to users of the existence of this flaw.
The thing is, I haven't gotten any emails from CoinPayCard at all, barring the mandatory (and possibly automated) "please verify your email", possibly because a marketing staff does not exist at all.
Note that this problem did not exist before CoinPayCard revamped its website (it used to be black and only accept USDT). So I suspect that's when the bug happened.
February 23, 2023, 06:00:50 AM
First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
That is, you have the balance on your card and you can use it, but it does not appear on the app/website, is that it?
I think that a service like this, having a failure like that in the API is very serious. They should try to resolve this as soon as possible. And they should even give an alert to users of the existence of this flaw.
February 23, 2023, 04:24:05 AM
Not trying to defend them or anything, but I want to write about my experience with this issue.
I remember in one PM I had with the Coinpaycard forum rep after I experienced this issue (for the 3rd time), he told me that the banking API they use would credit those funds which were loaded, but the website itself has an error and would not show the updated balance.
Each time, this happened when loading the card from the account balance, not when refilling the account balance itself.
One time (and this happened some time around Feb 1st) my balance was showing some really small amount, like $4 or something after I loaded about $60 or $70, but meanwhile my OpenAI payment was successfully processed during this time. I got invoiced, but the card statement was out-of-date.
First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
I remember in one PM I had with the Coinpaycard forum rep after I experienced this issue (for the 3rd time), he told me that the banking API they use would credit those funds which were loaded, but the website itself has an error and would not show the updated balance.
Each time, this happened when loading the card from the account balance, not when refilling the account balance itself.
One time (and this happened some time around Feb 1st) my balance was showing some really small amount, like $4 or something after I loaded about $60 or $70, but meanwhile my OpenAI payment was successfully processed during this time. I got invoiced, but the card statement was out-of-date.
First two times he actually manually updated my balance to fix the problem. But it is a highly annoying process, and I'm still waiting for him to do it again or to fix the site's API to credit $220 I added a few days ago.
The customer support pages were always unresponsive the whole time - I only got answers via forum PM.
February 23, 2023, 03:47:33 AM
The forum account was online again today at around 9:30 PM UTC
You're mistaken, they were last online on February 22. The time is correct though.I wonder why some DT members posted neutral feed back for this user?
Mainly because of this:This forum started acting like protecting idiots is more important than letting users express their free wills..
There was no hard evidence, and if someone is naive enough to trust a Newbie with their money, they're on their own. February 23, 2023, 02:38:25 AM
Warning to everyone who is using CoinPayCard.net cards! Do not deposit any more coins there!
There are several reports from people who send money that never got credited, and they are not responding to their customers anywhere, with support page showing 404 Page Not Found error.
People tried contacting their support on website, telegram, using email, forum account Account CoinPayCard.net was online yesterday and they saw complains from other member but they didn't reply anything in public nor with personal messages.
There are several reports from people who send money that never got credited, and they are not responding to their customers anywhere, with support page showing 404 Page Not Found error.
People tried contacting their support on website, telegram, using email, forum account Account CoinPayCard.net was online yesterday and they saw complains from other member but they didn't reply anything in public nor with personal messages.
I didn't like this from the beginning, just because of the way of communication and a lot of illogic behind them. for some reason, posts with a negative connotation in their ANN are no longer deleted as if they gave up on that and that's why it sounds like an exit scam to me.
I wonder why some DT members posted neutral feed back for this user?
probably because you can accuse someone of something that didn't happen. but unfortunately, that has also changed.
February 22, 2023, 07:15:17 PM
I wonder why some DT members posted neutral feed back for this user? The point of posting announcement thread on a forum is to assess the trustworthiness of a service where they are unable to censor people, and when they post a self moderated thread it should sound the alarm of untrustworthy code of conduct, hence a negative feed back being justified. This should be a lesson for people not to trust a service with a self moderated topic, hopefully they come back with some reasonable explanation though.
February 22, 2023, 06:24:24 PM
forum account Account CoinPayCard.net was online yesterday and they saw complains from other member but they didn't reply anything in public nor with personal messages.
The forum account was online again today at around 9:30 PM UTC and not a single response from an account that has always been very defensive of the suspicious service in the past when even asked any legitimate questions. I believe the victim hasn't received any private message from them either.This might be an exit scam.
February 22, 2023, 05:05:34 PM
Damn scammers! Looks like you were right all along.
As DaveF pointed out, it was right there in their T&C:
As DaveF pointed out, it was right there in their T&C:
Some thoughts:
From your T&C
From your T&C
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CoinPayCard reserves the right to modify or terminate the service at any time, without notice.
Seriously? You more or less said that at any time you can take the money and run. February 22, 2023, 12:46:17 PM
Warning to everyone who is using CoinPayCard.net cards! Do not deposit any more coins there!
There are several reports from people who send money that never got credited, and they are not responding to their customers anywhere, with support page showing 404 Page Not Found error.
People tried contacting their support on website, telegram, using email, forum account Account CoinPayCard.net was online yesterday and they saw complains from other member but they didn't reply anything in public nor with personal messages.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinpaycardnet-3521103
Let's see what happens now, but don't forget who was the guy who warned about them when they first showed up in forum...
There are several reports from people who send money that never got credited, and they are not responding to their customers anywhere, with support page showing 404 Page Not Found error.
People tried contacting their support on website, telegram, using email, forum account Account CoinPayCard.net was online yesterday and they saw complains from other member but they didn't reply anything in public nor with personal messages.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinpaycardnet-3521103
Let's see what happens now, but don't forget who was the guy who warned about them when they first showed up in forum...
Yoo my card balance was not updated after I funded it
Support chat don't respond
Couldn't find another way to reach out support
https://coinpaycard.net/support
404
Page Not Found
Support chat don't respond
Couldn't find another way to reach out support
https://coinpaycard.net/support
404
Page Not Found
Looks like someone has the same problem as well
Also some fake reviews popped up recently,
https://i.ibb.co/x1xGzBR/1.png
https://i.ibb.co/0QmWcGw/2.png
https://trustpilot.com/review/coinpaycard.net
They are not online on Telegram since a week
Also some fake reviews popped up recently,
https://i.ibb.co/x1xGzBR/1.png
https://i.ibb.co/0QmWcGw/2.png
https://trustpilot.com/review/coinpaycard.net
They are not online on Telegram since a week
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