Topic: 'Bitcointalk forum is going downhill because of dkbit98' - CoinPayCard.net SCAM - page 3. (Read 1364 times)

Friend, I'm on the forum for 10 years. I've had more active moments and less active moments, and now I'm very active - luckily, and I hope to continue.

And I can say that over these 10 years, I've seen several different phases on the forum, and he already had a much lower situation than he does now. And do you know why I think it had a lower phase? Because there were several users falling out with each other, and creating unnecessary divisions involving other members. I don't know if other former members agree with me or not, but it's just a vision I had of the situations that occurred.

Unfortunately, it looks like this is about to happen again. But, I believe that the community is now stronger and will manage to go through this phase naturally.

That said, if 10% of the forum were like you, we'd be even better off!
Since we are talking about more than 350k members of its quality. And I don't think we have that.

So continue with your questions, that's the only way we understand things correctly and we can all learn. 

Says the person who created a self-moderated services thread after they were unsatisfied with the comments and questions in the first one that wasn't self-moderated. Are you afraid of somebody asking you something you can't or won't answer?

Great customer relations skills. You should call him a dick or a cunt. That really proves a point and wins you the argument.

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There have been many occasions and there probably will be many in the future where dkbit98 and me won't see eye to eye. He knows it and I know it. He is often impulsive and allows his subjective opinions to dominate over objectivity and neutrality. That's my opinion. But that's the way he is. What he is not is a threat or negative factor on the forum.
 
He kept saying I am a supporter of your service in our local board because I made a few welcoming posts in your initial (non self-moderated thread) and it took me several posts to convince him otherwise. Actually, I don't know if I did, but it doesn't matter. Accusing him of being the reason for the forum going downhill is crazy and an attempt to divert attention to other matters and away from the questions and doubts people have about your services. His questions were valid, and I understood what he wanted to achieve asking them.

In a world and forum filled with scams, did you just expect praises and trust just because you say you are a good guy? It takes a lot of work to get people to trust you with their money. And centralized services depend on others trusting them. You started off on the wrong foot here. Instead of trying to correct and improve what you did wrong, you made things even worse by trying to have people focus on the 10-year old dkbit98 baby who knows nothing in comparison to you.

If dkbit98 was wrong or messed up with his line of questioning, I would have no problems pointing it out. I have done it before. And when he is right, I have no problems supporting, agreeing, or praising him.

Hopefully you will learn one day... 

As I pointed out, it does not even have to be a scam it's 100% legit, says so right there in the T&C


They can not scam, they can just legitimately shut down and take your money, they are telling you that right there.

Thinking about it another way, more and more banks are letting you generate virtual Visa account numbers with a fixed spending amount. I could in theory take your money, generate a card with that limit and give you the info on it. As you send more I just add to the limit. All while making the 4% and the yearly fee. And whatever cashback the card offers. All while getting a history of what you bought and where you bought it.

Could probably make a nice side hustle for a while till the banks shut you down. Then you just take the money and run.

Because as we well know anonymous people on the internet are trustworthy.

-Dave

There is a lot of work in coinpaycard, not sure if they want to scam right away or just keep it going and scam later on, but I did not understand what was their problem with OP, or why they had to make a new topic as discussion and just lock it within same day (I mean this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432748); I understand the need of them to do a new topic with self moderated, but most of this fight seems futile, don't take me wrong, but people can complain about 100% nice working services, is that a reason to close a thread!? lol
The questions of OP weren't that important in case like coinpaycard, or even interesting or even bad, but they reacted like some kids that are scared with the police at their door. I mean this is a forum where mixers and gambling are the most promoted products.. annonymous cards seems the last problem

Don't worry, I am sure some legendary members who are supporting them (like he confirmed) are going to tell them what to say next time
Now they created new third topic in Services for their scheme service and this time it's self-moderated, some members are even glad because of that...
If or when this thing turns out to be scam and people lose money I will personally take all those members who openly or secretly supported them responsible.

New accusation against me is that I am somehow censoring and deleting his posts to hide something.
Because he obviously doesn't understand English language and meaning for word consecutive, I would suggest him to go back in school or open a dictionary and use better translation machine next time.
Creating duplicate topics is also breaking forum rules.

So if you have a chance at identifying a possible hacker/thief and alert the authorities you just send them back the stolen coins? Seems untrustworthy behavior.

And again a post without any points.
Here Coinbase quoted:

• Screen risky crypto transactions to ensure regulatory compliance
  Monitor transaction and user risk as your business scales

In baby language, Coinbase Compliance helps us to determine the source of any funds. Coinbase does not hold, block or freeze these funds. We follow our own policy.,

That doesn't sound like you're following Coinbase's compliance at all.

And we said clearly in our response in the Announcement topic, that coins coming from gambling and mixers can be used without issue. And when a user should use a blacklisted wallet, that the funds will be refunded to the user who sends those coins. 

We also said that it's impossible for regular users to have a blacklisted wallet. As 99.99% of those blacklisted wallets are affiliated with, for example hacks on exchanges.

No need to quote unnecessary words, the scope stays the same.

In case you really don't know: lately, many services have frozen users' funds for various reasons, which can be summarized by the word "taint". It can be stolen, or gambling, or mixed, or anything else they don't like. It's always based on "third parties" without any evidence, and it's usually used to confiscate the funds.
OP isn't worried that he stole funds, he's worried that anyone can be accused of owning "stolen funds", and there's nothing you can do about it. That's why fungibility is so important.

This shows you inflate ego on this platform, just cutting a sentence in half to get the wording you need to cry baby.
This was the full sentence: "If you can’t understand an explanation that’s on you, I won’t explain everything in detail like you are a 10 year old baby who doesn’t understand how crypto works yet is on a crypto forum."


Our service is around debit cards, not stolen coins. I don't see why we should answer how our business operate internally regarding stolen funds. Can you ask a bank how to handle money launders? No.

Normally we won't share the 3rd party we work with, but here you go: https://www.coinbase.com/compliance

Oh no... don't tell him this top secret information...
Boss said it's End of story, so you are not allowed to ask him any more questions or doubt his words.
You must always fully trust his words because he is working with worldwide law enforcement space agency  
I can't wait to see who are those mysterious legendary members who are allegedly supporting him, but I can already guess myself.
If he can reveal unanswered message I sent him, let's see what other legendary members wrote him.

He said it's End of his story, so please don't ask him any more questions and requests.
Let him complete his scheme in peace.

Now he accused me that I am a thief who is doing shady illegal stuff, so I see his personal insults are getting bigger towards me all the time.
Sounds like something legitimate businesses are doing all the time  

End of story.

PS
It's very convenient that ''someone'' registered new account iLoveBtt today and his first post was in that revolutionary service topic ... sounds legit:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ilovebtt-3526680

That's a big "if". I wouldn't hold my breath after this response:
Very mature. And very common for people who see their scheme fall apart.

It's simple - if you want to show that you're credible, just provide some solid proof to back up what you're saying and add some weight to your arguments. This is especially important when you're trying to persuade someone to part with their money.

For example, it would be helpful if you could specify the sources you use when making statements such as, 'It's not hard to google blacklisted wallets.' ^[1] As you are discussing serious matters, it is important to provide reliable sources, rather than just using a general search engine like Google. However, if you are really relying on the Google to identify blacklisted wallets, it raises serious questions about the legitimacy of your business.

Furthermore, this statement: 'Blacklisted wallet can be found on public lists, provided to the crypto community by law enforcement worldwide' ^[2] absolutely needs a reference to show where the information came from. Without a reference, it is difficult for readers to determine the credibility and reliability of the information being presented, which can negatively impact the perception of your business as reliable and trustworthy.

[1] - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61524064
[2] - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61515830

I’m not going to reply to any questions regarding stolen funds anymore. The most simple answer I can give you. We don’t accept stolen money, if you do use them we send them back. End of story.

So you say that if some coins from Blacklisted address A are sent to address B and then to you they're absolutely fine, because they're not from a blacklisted address/wallet.
You're telling big words, but it looks like it's you who doesn't understand much.


This is a good one

A self-moderated topic, very transparent of you. Are you scared that other users will be honest to you? I have received private messages even from legendary users, that are agreeing with me.

If you can’t understand an explanation that’s on you, I won’t explain everything in detail like you are a 10 year old baby who doesn’t understand how crypto works yet is on a crypto forum.

And yes you don’t understand how crypto works, I’ve ask told you multiple times that you cannot blacklist coins you can only blacklist crypto wallets. It’s a shame that you are on a crypto forum thinking you are right and you csn blacklist coins individually.


Also you keep asking questions about how you can use stolen coins to use our service. That, to me says that you are doing something shady and illegal. Only thieves would make it theirs mission to find out more information how to avoid these preventions.

Now that I'm back at my laptop, I can quote again. I think this guy is an exit scam waiting to happen. Instead of answering simple questions, he evades them. Then he gets irritated and blames others:

He kinda got stuck in his lies and can't keep them consistent:
So he uses a public list, but doesn't have a list and uses unknown "third parties". AKA the ones that promote taint, but in this case, it's more likely to be BS.

He loves buzzwords:
Sounds legit, right? Some sort of magic worldwide internet police that an anonymous website works with!

Now imagine this: a worldwide Visa card without KYC from an anonymous card issuer! I can think of so many reasons why this is shady.

That tactic works though: there's no point in "discussing" something with this person, so he'll just repeat whatever again, or open a new topic (which I reported as "duplicate topic"). Let me try ones more.

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For cases like this, in Service Announcements, I post, delete it, and post again. That removes my "mini bump". I don't like shady topics to reach the top because of warnings.

I've tried to re-formulate one of your questions when this was in same guy's topic in Service Announcements.
His answer was weak, plus he started threatening that he'll lock the topic, so I didn't pay more attention to that topic.
I see now that he has more topics on his service and still trying to avoid some questions.

On this problem you're right (to pursue the truth) and his behavior is shady.



It can very well be the case. I've seen another user too doing this type of service and spawning new topic one after another as soon as the questions have become difficult.


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Thanks for bringing this back into attention. I've also edited my initial post there (I usually try to be nice/supportive for new businesses and this one is yet another one not deserving it).

Yeah, I will stop responding and writing anything in their topics.
It's obvious to me that this member has before been registered in bitcointalk forum, maybe with some other failed or scam project.
I said that initially I really wanted to test their cards, everyone can see that in my first post on their topic, but I soon realized something just isn't right.

Thanks for translation.
He is obviously using some translator and he can't speak normal English language.

I can be harsh sometimes asking questions to new companies, but I don't think this was the case here.
I never insulted anyone personally, but instead I received bunch of personal attacks.
Good for everyone that I developed much thicker skin in last few years


I don't know if they are a scam and never claimed that, but there is something not right about all this.
I say good luck to them, and in return I receive interesting new year message from them.