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Topic: bitcointalk forum vs OpenAI - ChatGPT - page 10. (Read 3190 times)

legendary
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December 08, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
#23
You could buy a temporary number for that. I have a few credits on smspva.com and it's like $0,2 for a sms confirmation.
Yeah I know, I've been using Hushed app for that purpose for some time and it works like a charm. Haven't tested this OpenAI thing though,
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 6830
December 08, 2022, 03:58:16 PM
#22
It's one of the what the fuck moments for me. These days AI are that much advanced? It seems they are scrapping all data from all web including deep and dark. It does not matter what you put where, they will take a snapshot. Scary as fuck.
Elon Musk said Twitter has previously provided an API for the guys at OpenAI to train their AI, so it is most likely that the other social networks have done the same. You probably have a bit of your knowledge inside their models. Tongue


Even if you pass email, you still have to provide your phone number where they send confirmation code so no, its not possible to use it anonymously. Well, unless you use one of those virtual number services.
You could buy a temporary number for that. I have a few credits on smspva.com and it's like $0,2 for a sms confirmation.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 5937
December 08, 2022, 03:53:50 PM
#21
Your findings are fascinating. Unfortunately, I could not create an account on Tor using Guerrilla Mail. Is there any way to anonymously test it?
Even if you pass email, you still have to provide your phone number where they send confirmation code so no, its not possible to use it anonymously. Well, unless you use one of those virtual number services.



As others pointed out, using this for forum posts may get you in trouble due plagiarism issues, but I have no doubt that these tools will keep evolving and eventually it will be impossible to detect posts written by one of these AI things. What I see it being affected very fast though is the way we google for certain terms, as I can see it being more convenient than than first typing some query into google, then clicking on the article etc.
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
December 08, 2022, 03:34:31 PM
#20
It's one of the what the fuck moments for me. These days AI are that much advanced? It seems they are scrapping all data from all web including deep and dark. It does not matter what you put where, they will take a snapshot. Scary as fuck.

but anyone with half a brain can come up with it on their own, so there's no point in reading it.
At the same time you can not deny that one can really get at least some idea of any topic they ask from it. You won't understand AI. Bot and AI functions differently 😉

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What about the answer to the question: who's theymos?
Can you ask it who is BitcoinGirl.Club?
legendary
Activity: 2212
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December 08, 2022, 03:13:22 PM
#19
I am not impressed at all with results shown in first post, and I bet that posts generated by this OpenAI ChatGPT would get flagged for plagiarism many times.
All this thing is doing is copy-pasting what people wrote before and making random results makes it look better than it should.
OP when you generate next answer on your question, remember to scan result with plagiarism checker and you would probably find several used sources.
This would mean than anyone who writes posts like this would get banned in bitcointalk forum (if reported).
 
legendary
Activity: 3052
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December 08, 2022, 02:15:01 PM
#18
Woah, seems like this AI ChatGPT solution will bring in more and more information in the hands of newbies as it evolves, as well, the newbies may also "use it to plagiarize the content" that they'll receive from this bot. Nonetheless, I'm amazed how gradually it changes the responses but the replies are really worth reading and may improve in the future except the LoyceV one, as I guess the bot needs to impress us by recognising most of the well-versed members of Bitcointalk community according to their contribution to the forum society.
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 10802
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
December 08, 2022, 02:02:18 PM
#17
Well things are seemingly starting to move pretty fast with the use of the ChatGPT solution, to the point that StackOverflow has temporarily set a policy to ban the use of the tool on their platform. I’ll quote the longish post, which is worth a read in order to see the situations it seems to be causing:

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This is a temporary policy intended to slow down the influx of answers and other content created with ChatGPT. What the final policy will be regarding the use of this and other similar tools is something that will need to be discussed with Stack Overflow staff and, quite likely, here on Meta Stack Overflow.
Overall, because the average rate of getting correct answers from ChatGPT is too low, the posting of answers created by ChatGPT is substantially harmful to the site and to users who are asking or looking for correct answers.

The primary problem is that while the answers which ChatGPT produces have a high rate of being incorrect, they typically look like they might be good and the answers are very easy to produce. There are also many people trying out ChatGPT to create answers, without the expertise or willingness to verify that the answer is correct prior to posting. Because such answers are so easy to produce, a large number of people are posting a lot of answers. The volume of these answers (thousands) and the fact that the answers often require a detailed read by someone with at least some subject matter expertise in order to determine that the answer is actually bad has effectively swamped our volunteer-based quality curation infrastructure.
As such, we need to reduce the volume of these posts and we need to be able to deal with the ones which are posted quickly, which means dealing with users, rather than individual posts. So, for now, the use of ChatGPT to create posts here on Stack Overflow is not permitted. If a user is believed to have used ChatGPT after this temporary policy is posted, sanctions will be imposed to prevent users from continuing to post such content, even if the posts would otherwise be acceptable.

While the above text focuses on answers, because that's where we're experiencing the largest volume of such content, the ban applies to all content on Stack Overflow, except each user's profile content (e.g. your "About me" text).
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See: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421831/temporary-policy-chatgpt-is-banned?cb=1

If things build up on Bitcointalk, I’m pretty certain something along the above line may be added here. Although it’s not that trivial to discern the text generated by the AI, from a certain type of average user, patterns, language changes between posts, and the way interaction takes place might be pointers to follow.

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<...> Moderators are empowered (at their discretion) to issue immediate suspensions of up to 30 days to users who are copying and pasting GPT content onto the site, with or without prior notice or warning. <...>

https://stackoverflow.com/help/gpt-policy
sr. member
Activity: 860
Merit: 423
December 08, 2022, 01:54:44 PM
#16
Your findings are fascinating. Unfortunately, I could not create an account on Tor using Guerrilla Mail. Is there any way to anonymously test it?
legendary
Activity: 1568
Merit: 6660
bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
December 08, 2022, 01:40:43 PM
#15
I completely advise against using ChatGPT to make posts, because it will plagiarize stuff from the internet and will get you banned for that. The first question/answer for example, is straight out of Wikipedia I believe.
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 2100
Marketing Campaign Manager |Telegram ID- @LT_Mouse
December 08, 2022, 01:28:27 PM
#14
I’m sure advertisers will be running their own AI forum bots to bypass the need for signature campaigns. A whole new flood of issues is about to hit the internet me thinks.
That doesn't make them different than running a campaign without an experienced campaign manager here. Both will get the same output at the end of the day. I don't think it's going to be practiced by so many project as the post most likely sounds like teenage noobs.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
December 08, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
#13
I’m sure advertisers will be running their own AI forum bots to bypass the need for signature campaigns. A whole new flood of issues is about to hit the internet me thinks.

That's certainly a possibility, and I think campaigns like 1xCrap will be thinking about it right now, because for what they want the quality is more than good enough.

This debate goes much further. IA midjourney illustrations are also much better than those of the average cartoonist. That to this day, and they just keep getting better and better. They're going to do a lot of less necessary jobs, and others will come out, just as there were no youtubers or influencers 30 years ago.

As far as I'm concerned, I've had this debate in poker. When the first bots came out, people made fun, or rather, we made fun, because they were better than the typical recreational player or fish, but they played in a very simple way that we regulars could beat.

It's been years now since AIs are better than the best of humans. Is that the end of poker? No, on the contrary, what these tools have done is to give leverage to those who study poker with poker solvers.

donator
Activity: 4760
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
December 08, 2022, 12:01:13 PM
#12
It is impressive what ChatGPT can do. It’s a glimpse into the world that is quickly approaching. I’m sure a day in the not too distant future will come when internet interactions are majority bots/AI and human beings have to be sought out. Forums like this seem like the easiest casualty for a human majority as I think ChatGPT could already surpass a large % of the users here on post quality. I’m sure advertisers will be running their own AI forum bots to bypass the need for signature campaigns. A whole new flood of issues is about to hit the internet me thinks.
copper member
Activity: 1526
Merit: 2890
December 08, 2022, 10:53:23 AM
#11
I don't know when the "AI" definition changed to mean a glorified search engine combined with a spell/grammar checker, but I'm guessing Google has something to do with it. Anyway, that's what this is. It's like a 12-year old who reads a wikipedia article and is now an expert on all things.

I would say we should not confuse AI with google.

Yes, maybe these answers are like someone who's 12-years old... but again it's not a human with a 12 year mind but still the answer looks like it's coming from a human. Isn't it amazing?

In another thread in an article someone said "OpenAI's GPT-3 may be the biggest thing since bitcoin"... I believe that's what it is going to be.

Ask it how to fix a gas leak at a furnace





legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
December 08, 2022, 10:47:24 AM
#10
Lol, AI got busted! I'd never use the word "vibrant", and I'd never chill the Defi scam. Nice try though.

I've been called "AI" many times, I guess I can do better Cheesy



The writing is impressive though, I'll admit that. It just doesn't add anything to any conversation.
copper member
Activity: 1526
Merit: 2890
December 08, 2022, 10:40:36 AM
#9
You did not get the point first of all this post is not written by a human
I got that part, but that doesn't make it less of a "generic shitpost".

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AI analyzes the question and comes up with the best answer.
I assume the "AI" has a huge database of anything on the internet, and word spins an answer together.

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For example if I google "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?" I will get hundred of "answers", AI combined and came up with one.. let me try this question again and see the answer now
I know how it works. But it's still just reiterating what has been said already.

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Now see the answer and remember this is written by a computer program, not a human with half a brain Smiley
Again: it's more of the same. Ask the AI who Loyce Valenzuela is. I bet nothing new comes up.

Ok i did..



See the answer to the second question Who's LoyceV?

- LoyceV could potentially be a username or handle used by someone on the internet
- It's also possible that LoyceV is a shortened version of a longer name or pseudonym

But when I asked the same question to google?




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I assume the "AI" has a huge database of anything on the internet, and word spins an answer together.

To be honest digging and spinning words + learning is an AI. Let try something else

How about "Write a bitcointalk post based on the post history of the user LoyceV?"




full member
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December 08, 2022, 08:45:15 AM
#8
It helps people get answers for any quarry but will not serve the purpose of google. I learned about it yesterday and was looking for a thread about chatGPT, and you did it already.

My initial thought about chatGPT is like any other AI it collects data from google and delivers the best answer in a way most people like to see. I am going to create an account and will test this later today. I saw many people over-hyped about it, but I don't see any point here. As I mentioned before, it depends on google.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
December 08, 2022, 07:37:14 AM
#7
Well, I already talked about this in the other thread.

This looks exactly like the average topic from a Newbie without Merit who writes a "guide" on how to earn Merit. I'd call this a "generic shitpost": it's all more or less true, but anyone with half a brain can come up with it on their own, so there's no point in reading it.

Sure, sure, I've seen worse posts than that written by newbies getting merits in the B&H section.

That IA doesn't stop improving and learning from experience, it doesn't get tired. I don't know if it's that you think it's going to stay at that level of quality or shitpost. No. It's going to get better.

The AI writes much better than the average user of the forum, and for me, without getting catastrophic, it will bring leverage. I think that in a few years AI tools will be used to write, in the same way that people use automatic translators to write in the English section of the forum.

legendary
Activity: 3290
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
December 08, 2022, 07:35:52 AM
#6
You did not get the point first of all this post is not written by a human
I got that part, but that doesn't make it less of a "generic shitpost".

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AI analyzes the question and comes up with the best answer.
I assume the "AI" has a huge database of anything on the internet, and word spins an answer together.

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For example if I google "how to get merits on bitcointalk forum?" I will get hundred of "answers", AI combined and came up with one.. let me try this question again and see the answer now
I know how it works. But it's still just reiterating what has been said already.

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Now see the answer and remember this is written by a computer program, not a human with half a brain Smiley
Again: it's more of the same. Ask the AI who Loyce Valenzuela is. I bet nothing new comes up.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
December 08, 2022, 07:28:26 AM
#5
I don't know when the "AI" definition changed to mean a glorified search engine combined with a spell/grammar checker, but I'm guessing Google has something to do with it. Anyway, that's what this is. It's like a 12-year old who reads a wikipedia article and is now an expert on all things. There is no "I" in this "AI", or any chat "AI" I've seen so far. Ask it how to fix a gas leak at a furnace and it will happily provide advice on how to kill yourself if that's what it "read" on the intertubes.

For sure this will make shitposts more difficult to get reported and deleted, considering that even "non-AI" crap doesn't get deleted, so smart-sounding grammatically-correct posts will give shitposters better chances and may even earn a merit or two.

I can't be bothered to care too much though.
hero member
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Bitcoin = Financial freedom
December 08, 2022, 07:09:09 AM
#4
I tried to register but the bot seems asking for mobile number verification so I decided to quit.

Answers are not that bad but at the end its more generic not simply specific towards the question we ask so it can be a boon for spammers who are only posting to complete their quota. Cheesy
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