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legendary
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January 12, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
They are now a subsidiary of Capital One . . .
Looks like the are going to be re-branded.  No more "ING" or "Electric Orange". Now it will be "Capital One 360" and "360 Checking":

https://home.ingdirect.com/capitalone/product-updates
donator
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Gerald Davis
January 12, 2013, 12:54:31 PM
ING doesn't have business checking accounts.
legendary
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January 12, 2013, 01:23:31 AM
What is this ING deposit? like a online based company has checking accounts?

ING was the second online-only bank after NetBank, at a time when online banking was somewhat in its infancy, and the general idea was that all banks should have buildings and bank branches. By being entirely online, ING was able so save a lot of money, and offer free checking with lots of free features, as well as savings accounts with the highest interest rates in the country. They also for a time allowed you to use any ATM for free, and even reimbursed you the $1.50 ATM cash withdrawal fees many ATMs charge. Another feature was that they bragged about being able to fire their customers. In other words, if you called and complained too much, or had too many overdrafts, they would cancel your account and kindly ask you to go elsewhere. Basically, they advertised themselves as a bank for tech-savvy, responsible types.
They have gone a little bit downhill since, mainly with their savings rates and such, but I still use them as my main bank. Their ING P2P feature allows you to wire money to anyone else for free, which takes 2 to 3 days for external transfers, and instantly between ING customers. Bitfloor allows you to send them money using your ING account for free, but since they don't have an ING account themselves, it takes 3 days.

They are now a subsidiary of Capital One, but other than that they are great.

Also, Bitfloor should get an ING account.
legendary
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Merit: 1035
January 12, 2013, 01:19:13 AM
What is this ING deposit? like a online based company has checking accounts?

ING was the second online-only bank after NetBank, at a time when online banking was somewhat in its infancy, and the general idea was that all banks should have buildings and bank branches. By being entirely online, ING was able so save a lot of money, and offer free checking with lots of free features, as well as savings accounts with the highest interest rates in the country. They also for a time allowed you to use any ATM for free, and even reimbursed you the $1.50 ATM cash withdrawal fees many ATMs charge. Another feature was that they bragged about being able to fire their customers. In other words, if you called and complained too much, or had too many overdrafts, they would cancel your account and kindly ask you to go elsewhere. Basically, they advertised themselves as a bank for tech-savvy, responsible types.
They have gone a little bit downhill since, mainly with their savings rates and such, but I still use them as my main bank. Their ING P2P feature allows you to wire money to anyone else for free, which takes 2 to 3 days for external transfers, and instantly between ING customers. Bitfloor allows you to send them money using your ING account for free, but since they don't have an ING account themselves, it takes 3 days.
420
hero member
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January 12, 2013, 12:57:54 AM
What is this ING deposit? like a online based company has checking accounts?
hero member
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January 10, 2013, 05:40:32 AM
Ok this summarizes it pretty well. Data is from: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/bitfloorUSD.html


http://i47.tinypic.com/107uql0.png

This R script will generate the above updated according to the bitcoin charts schedule. If someone knows how to host it and have it update in this thread automatically that would be cool:
Code:

#Set the estimated proportion payed back
est.payed.back<-.017

#Get Data from bitcoincharts
bitfloor<-read.table("http://bitcoincharts.com/t/trades.csv?symbol=bitfloorUSD&start=0",
                     sep=","
)

##Convert Times from Unix
times=matrix(nrow=nrow(bitfloor), ncol=6)
time.string=NULL
for(i in 1:nrow(bitfloor)){
  timeStamp<-ISOdatetime(1970,1,1,0,0,0) + bitfloor[i,1]
  
  date<-strsplit(as.character(timeStamp), " ")[[1]][1]
  yr<-as.numeric(strsplit(date, "-")[[1]][1])
  mo<-as.numeric(strsplit(date, "-")[[1]][2])
  day<-as.numeric(strsplit(date, "-")[[1]][3])
  
  ToD<-strsplit(as.character(timeStamp), " ")[[1]][2]
  hr<-as.numeric(strsplit(ToD, ":")[[1]][1])
  min<-as.numeric(strsplit(ToD, ":")[[1]][2])
  sec<-as.numeric(strsplit(ToD, ":")[[1]][2])
  
  times[i,]<-cbind(yr,mo,day,hr,min,sec)
  time.string<-rbind(time.string,as.character(timeStamp))
}

bitfloor<-cbind(times,bitfloor)
colnames(bitfloor)<-c("Yr","Mo","Day","Hr","Min","Sec","UnixT","Price","Vol")

##Set First Timestamp bitfloor was open after hack
post.hack.open.time<-as.numeric(head(
  bitfloor[which(bitfloor[,1]==2012 & bitfloor[,2]==9 & bitfloor[,3]==21),],
  1)[7])

##Divide into pre and post hack data
pre.hack.bitfloor<-bitfloor[which(bitfloor[,7]post.hack.bitfloor<-bitfloor[which(bitfloor[,7]>(post.hack.open.time-1)),]

#Generate cumulative volume and fees
pre.hack.bitfloor<-cbind(pre.hack.bitfloor,
                         cumsum(pre.hack.bitfloor[,8]*pre.hack.bitfloor[,9]),
                         cumsum(pre.hack.bitfloor[,8]*pre.hack.bitfloor[,9])*.005
)
colnames(pre.hack.bitfloor)[10:11]<-c("cumUSD.Vol","cumFee")

post.hack.bitfloor<-cbind(post.hack.bitfloor,
                          cumsum(post.hack.bitfloor[,8]*post.hack.bitfloor[,9]),
                          cumsum(post.hack.bitfloor[,8]*post.hack.bitfloor[,9])*.003
)
colnames(post.hack.bitfloor)[10:11]<-c("cumUSD.Vol","cumFee")
#

##Set Timestamp of first payout
payback.time.one<-as.numeric(head(
  bitfloor[which(bitfloor[,1]==2012 & bitfloor[,2]==12 & bitfloor[,3]==1),],
  1)[7])

##Split into pre and post payout
pre.payout.one<-post.hack.bitfloor[which(post.hack.bitfloor[,7]post.payout.one<-post.hack.bitfloor[which(post.hack.bitfloor[,7]>(payback.time.one-1)),]

#Generate cumulative volume and fee data
pre.payout.one[,10:11]<-cbind(
  cumsum(pre.payout.one[,8]*pre.payout.one[,9]),
  cumsum(pre.payout.one[,8]*pre.payout.one[,9])*.003
)

post.payout.one[,10:11]<-cbind(
  cumsum(post.payout.one[,8]*post.payout.one[,9]),
  cumsum(post.payout.one[,8]*post.payout.one[,9])*.003
)
#

##Get months from unix timestamps
month.labels=data.frame()
for(y in 2012:2013){
  for(m in 1:12){
    unixT<-bitfloor[which(bitfloor[,1]==y & bitfloor[,2]==m),7][1]
    month.labels<-rbind(month.labels,cbind(unixT,month.name[m]))
  }
}
month.labels<-month.labels[which(!is.na(month.labels[,1])),]
month.labels<-month.labels[2:nrow(month.labels),]

##Misc
Total.Value.Stolen<-25000*tail(bitfloor[,8],1)
Total.Value.Payed<-est.payed.back*Total.Value.Stolen

##Make Plots
dev.new()
layout(matrix(c(1,1,1,3,2,2,2,4), 2, 4, byrow = TRUE))
plot(bitfloor[,7],bitfloor[,8], type="n", xaxt="n",
     xlab="Time",
     ylab="USD/BTC",ylim=c(0,(max(bitfloor[,8])+5)),
     main="Bitfloor Price History"
)
axis(1,at=as.numeric(as.matrix(month.labels[,1])),
     labels=as.character(month.labels[,2]))
lines(pre.hack.bitfloor[,7],pre.hack.bitfloor[,8], col="Green")
lines(pre.payout.one[,7],pre.payout.one[,8], col="Red")
lines(post.payout.one[,7],post.payout.one[,8], col="Blue")
abline(v=payback.time.one)

plot(pre.hack.bitfloor[,7],pre.hack.bitfloor[,11], xaxt="n",
     xlab="Time",
     ylab="Cumulative Fees Generated (USD)",
     xlim=c(min(bitfloor[,7]),max(bitfloor[,7])),
     type="l", lwd=3, col="Green",
     main=c("Bitfloor Cumulative Fee Revenue",
            "Before Hack Rate= 0.5%,   After Hack= 0.3%")
)
axis(1,at=as.numeric(as.matrix(month.labels[,1])),
     labels=as.character(month.labels[,2]))
lines(pre.payout.one[,7],pre.payout.one[,11],
      type="l", lwd=3, col="Red"
)
lines(post.payout.one[,7],post.payout.one[,11],
      type="l", lwd=3, col="Blue"
)
abline(v=payback.time.one)

barplot(c(
  Total.Value.Stolen,
  Total.Value.Payed
),
        ylab="USD", ylim=c(0,1.1*Total.Value.Stolen),
        names.arg=c(paste("Value Stolen=", Total.Value.Stolen),
                    paste("Value Payed=",Total.Value.Payed)),
        col=c("Red","Green"),
        main=paste("Estimated Payed Back=",100*est.payed.back,"%")
)

barplot(c(
  max(pre.payout.one[,11]),
  max(post.payout.one[,11])
),
        ylim=c(0,1.1*max(c(max(pre.payout.one[,11]),max(post.payout.one[,11])))),
        ylab="Fees Generated (USD)",
        names.arg=c(paste("Hack to First Payout=", round(max(pre.payout.one[,11]),1)),
                    paste("Since=",round(max(post.payout.one[,11]),1))),
        col=c("Red","Blue"),
        main="Fees Generated Since Hack"
)





It did take some effort so if anyone finds it useful: 13oEWYh1tEM6voFp2XmBoD6CCCbidkk2Xm
sr. member
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January 10, 2013, 02:31:58 AM
I keep rough tabs on the intake in terms of revenue for bitfloor to guess about how long it'll take to be paid back. I'm still a little surprised they were able to make the payment they did, but certainly grateful for it. I think outside investment might have been or be involved. On a relatively high-volume day like today, they make ~ 5BTC. It would take 13 years of days like today's to provide enough revenue to cover the debt.

My hope is that they can become an exchange to rival Gox. If they split Gox's current market share and there wasn't additional growth, then they could pay their debt with 1.5 years worth or revenue.

We'll see. One thing is certain: they need to continue to communicate and find ways to make deposits quicker/easier. I appreciate their approach, and am probably about a month of stability away from starting to use them again, though this time with a lot less BTC floating on the exchange.
legendary
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January 10, 2013, 02:21:12 AM
Apparently that 1.5% satisfied everyone. I wonder what he has in store next. It'd be nice to see some kind of indicator that "fills up" until the threshold is reached.
Well, it's better than nothing in that it shows SOME progress...
hero member
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January 10, 2013, 01:42:39 AM
Apparently that 1.5% satisfied everyone. I wonder what he has in store next. It'd be nice to see some kind of indicator that "fills up" until the threshold is reached.
legendary
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December 10, 2012, 01:51:31 PM
I received a little over 1.7% of my held balance back.

If the exchange rate goes up much more that would make it harder on BitFloor.  It is like taking out a  BTC loan and then having to repay from dollar-based income.

No, because the transaction fees are a percentage so it scales up. The only way to make it harder or easier for Bitfloor to pay back its debts is to change its volume.

Right, and for all of us doing dollar cost averaging increase in price means decrease in volume.
OTOH, if Bitcoin goes to $1,000, you can bet on there being a lot higher volume, just because an increase in price generally correlates with an increase in interest.
legendary
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1davout
December 09, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
Right, and for all of us doing dollar cost averaging increase in price means decrease in volume.
Haha, smart!
sr. member
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December 09, 2012, 12:34:04 PM
I received a little over 1.7% of my held balance back.

If the exchange rate goes up much more that would make it harder on BitFloor.  It is like taking out a  BTC loan and then having to repay from dollar-based income.

where's his 'help me' donation box
1. Deposit some coin.
2. Buy as much USD as you can at the market rate.
3. Buy as much BTC as you can at the market rate.
4. GOTO 2
legendary
Activity: 1904
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December 09, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
I received a little over 1.7% of my held balance back.

If the exchange rate goes up much more that would make it harder on BitFloor.  It is like taking out a  BTC loan and then having to repay from dollar-based income.

No, because the transaction fees are a percentage so it scales up. The only way to make it harder or easier for Bitfloor to pay back its debts is to change its volume.

Right, and for all of us doing dollar cost averaging increase in price means decrease in volume.
newbie
Activity: 48
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December 09, 2012, 05:47:00 AM
I received a little over 1.7% of my held balance back.

If the exchange rate goes up much more that would make it harder on BitFloor.  It is like taking out a  BTC loan and then having to repay from dollar-based income.

No, because the transaction fees are a percentage so it scales up. The only way to make it harder or easier for Bitfloor to pay back its debts is to change its volume.
420
hero member
Activity: 756
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December 09, 2012, 12:30:03 AM
I received a little over 1.7% of my held balance back.

If the exchange rate goes up much more that would make it harder on BitFloor.  It is like taking out a  BTC loan and then having to repay from dollar-based income.

where's his 'help me' donation box
legendary
Activity: 2506
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December 09, 2012, 12:15:15 AM
I received a little over 1.7% of my held balance back.

If the exchange rate goes up much more that would make it harder on BitFloor.  It is like taking out a  BTC loan and then having to repay from dollar-based income.
newbie
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Merit: 0
December 07, 2012, 04:22:07 AM
Good to hear!

Have ACH transfers been resumed? The bank account used to conduct them was apparently migrated about 2 weeks ago and so they were held. I had mine cancelled (Roman was very quick with this btw) and withdrawn through other means but would like to know if ACH is back up and running.

I just did an ACH withdrawal on Dec 3rd and it was credited to my bank account on Dec 5th. From the BitFloor blod Dec 2nd "ACH withdrawals are still available and continue to be free. There have been several delays recently with ACH. These have been due to backend and bank changes which have unfortunately gone on longer than anticipated. I do apologize for the inconvenience and am assured that everything is on track for normal operation starting this week."

At least my ACH withdrawal when through quickly without a hitch.

Well that's good to know! Last I checked the blog didn't have anything new on it, so it's good that he's getting these updates going and things seem to be slowly going back to normal.
sr. member
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December 06, 2012, 04:50:35 PM
are cash deposits halted?

For now cash deposits are not available. From the blog post on December 2nd, 2012.
https://plus.google.com/109620439233076225324/posts

"Many users have been asking about cash deposits. There are no new updates for cash deposits at this time. BitFloor is working on getting cash deposits at bank branches running again and will post updates as they are available."
420
hero member
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December 06, 2012, 02:50:35 PM
are cash deposits halted?
sr. member
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Merit: 251
December 05, 2012, 12:17:36 PM
Good to hear!

Have ACH transfers been resumed? The bank account used to conduct them was apparently migrated about 2 weeks ago and so they were held. I had mine cancelled (Roman was very quick with this btw) and withdrawn through other means but would like to know if ACH is back up and running.

I just did an ACH withdrawal on Dec 3rd and it was credited to my bank account on Dec 5th. From the BitFloor blod Dec 2nd "ACH withdrawals are still available and continue to be free. There have been several delays recently with ACH. These have been due to backend and bank changes which have unfortunately gone on longer than anticipated. I do apologize for the inconvenience and am assured that everything is on track for normal operation starting this week."

At least my ACH withdrawal when through quickly without a hitch.
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