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Starlightbreaker

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Quote from: martychubbs on February 13, 2012, 02:54:48 AM

Quote from: Starlightbreaker on February 13, 2012, 02:09:03 AM

Quote from: martychubbs on February 12, 2012, 02:25:58 PM

but I think it is hop proof PPS? Sad

wtf.

all pps is pretty much hop-proof.

I was being sarcastic. Cause, I was being told that I shouldn't use PPS cause it is hop proof...yes.., however I clearly stated in a backup role. See, someone was else was confused or was clueless at the time they made the statement I was referencing. I, on the hand, waited my time trying got explain it to the confused one.

My point was 120% pps as a backup pool is a great strategy.

why 120% when you can go up to 160%? Grin

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Quote from: deepceleron on February 12, 2012, 02:41:18 PM

The best feature of the forum, it's like browsing with Firefox troll block plus.

Well DC, I am a huge fan of your self-righteousness and work on hopping...but, I guess you won't see this... Sad

Just having a laugh...

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Quote from: Starlightbreaker on February 13, 2012, 02:09:03 AM

Quote from: martychubbs on February 12, 2012, 02:25:58 PM

but I think it is hop proof PPS? Sad

wtf.

all pps is pretty much hop-proof.

I was being sarcastic. Cause, I was being told that I shouldn't use PPS cause it is hop proof...yes.., however I clearly stated in a backup role. See, someone was else was confused or was clueless at the time they made the statement I was referencing. I, on the hand, waited my time trying got explain it to the confused one.

My point was 120% pps as a backup pool is a great strategy.

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Quote from: martychubbs on February 12, 2012, 02:25:58 PM

IF i can get 120% as a backup pool, good enough, but I think it is hop proof PPS? Sad

wtf.

all pps is pretty much hop-proof.

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Quote from: deepceleron on February 12, 2012, 02:41:18 PM

The best feature of the forum, it's like browsing with Firefox troll block plus.

What took you so long?!

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The best feature of the forum, it's like browsing with Firefox troll block plus.

P4man

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Quote from: deepceleron on February 12, 2012, 02:36:48 PM

Just posters who spreads disinformation when another hoppable pool looks like it is going to disappear. Not the first to employ this troll technique or the first to get ignored by me.

Point taken and ignore list expanded.

BTW, saw your sig.

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I'm looking for a 0 fee PPLNS merged mining pool, where are you?

The one in my sig fits the bill.

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Quote from: ancow on February 12, 2012, 01:45:49 PM

Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:41:51 PM

Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

Marty is a poolhopping troll who's mad that he can hop one less pool after this, so could you please consider not feeding him/it? Pretty please?

You just did, and why are you mining a prop pool? Cause it's not that bad as C2dwoMan says? Anywho, I am dropping it... However, C2dwoMan is being so dumb that I can't control myself

All I am doing is summing up what lazy people didn't already know.

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Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:59:52 PM

Maybe you're right, but there seem to be plenty of posters in this thread that still dont get it, so it doesnt hurt to defuse his nonsense just in case someone actually believes it.

Just posters who spreads disinformation when another hoppable pool looks like it is going to disappear. Not the first to employ this troll technique or the first to get ignored by me.

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Quote from: malavita on February 12, 2012, 02:01:25 PM

Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:49:25 PM

Quote from: ancow on February 12, 2012, 01:45:49 PM

Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:41:51 PM

Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

Marty is a poolhopping troll who's mad that he can hop one less pool after this, so could you please consider not feeding him/it? Pretty please?

I dont think so, I think he is truly as clueless as he appears. He is offering his hashrate to Clipse for 100% PPS. Enough said.

I thought Clipse's was paying 115%

IF i can get 120% as a backup pool, good enough, but I think it is hop proof PPS? Sad

Also, i would be upset if another prop pool goes down due to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whining, but Jine will make a move and we will all see if it benefits his business, cause that is what its really about.

Thanks for pointing me to github for help on hopping, look around genius! Clue may be closer than you think, look down, lower, over...past your stomach is too far and you hands are out of bounds. However, http://blockchain.info is the sauce!

Sell ya a core2...duo? You can be C2dwoMan mining 24/7 on PPLNS!

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Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:49:25 PM

Quote from: ancow on February 12, 2012, 01:45:49 PM

Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:41:51 PM

Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

Marty is a poolhopping troll who's mad that he can hop one less pool after this, so could you please consider not feeding him/it? Pretty please?

I dont think so, I think he is truly as clueless as he appears. He is offering his hashrate to Clipse for 100% PPS. Enough said.

I thought Clipse's was paying 115%

P4man

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Quote from: ancow on February 12, 2012, 01:54:29 PM

Read enough of his posts, especially the btc guild thread and that "btc guild is stealing from its users" thread a couple of months back. Enough said.

Maybe you're right, but there seem to be plenty of posters in this thread that still dont get it, so it doesnt hurt to defuse his nonsense just in case someone actually believes it.

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Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:49:25 PM

Quote from: ancow on February 12, 2012, 01:45:49 PM

Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:41:51 PM

Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

Marty is a poolhopping troll who's mad that he can hop one less pool after this, so could you please consider not feeding him/it? Pretty please?

I dont think so, I think he is truly as clueless as he appears. He is offering his hashrate to Clipse for 100% PPS. Enough said.

Read enough of his posts, especially the btc guild thread and that "btc guild is stealing from its users" thread a couple of months back. Enough said.

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Quote from: ancow on February 12, 2012, 01:45:49 PM

Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:41:51 PM

Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

Marty is a poolhopping troll who's mad that he can hop one less pool after this, so could you please consider not feeding him/it? Pretty please?

I dont think so, I think he is truly as clueless as he appears. He is offering his hashrate to Clipse for 100% PPS. Enough said.

ancow

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Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 01:41:51 PM

Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

Marty is a poolhopping troll who's mad that he can hop one less pool after this, so could you please consider not feeding him/it? Pretty please?

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Look Marty, maybe you have tried and failed to hop and therefore you think it cant be done. In that case, I dont know who is the bigger idiot, the 24/7 miners getting raped on a prop pool or you.

The tools are all out there, opensource and all, its no secret, its all on this forum and github, and while I havent tried it myself, it looks like anyone with half a brain should be able to get it to work. This was news back in February 2011 before people mined on GPUs. Welcome to 2012. You must be one of the last men standing who thinks hopping prop pools doesnt work.

Anyone else thinking it doesnt work, and is mining 24/7 on bitlc, calculate your revenue and you will see you are only earning ~80% of expected revenue. Its not bad luck of the pool, block average is spot on. Marty, why dont you mine 24/7 on Bitlc or bitclockers and prove me wrong?

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Quote from: P4man on February 12, 2012, 12:56:06 PM

Quote from: martychubbs on February 12, 2012, 12:51:43 PM

Wow, that must be much easier to just look at that page. It is totally accurate and in real-time.

What makes you think it isnt?

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OK, so it must be really easy to hop for you, give it a try.

If goat can, I think just about anyone can. Well maybe anyone except you?

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And again, what will you do after 47% (?), if you turn off your miners you WILL have less than 100% payout over just a few blocks...

WTF? You cant be that stupid. You mine on a PPS or pplns pool of course and get 100% like anyone else mining there until you can hop again!

glad you did some reading! "You mine on a PPS or pplns pool of course and get 100% like anyone else mining there until you can hop again!" is much better. But you clearly understod that when you posted:

Quote from: P4man on February 10, 2012, 01:29:18 PM

Quote from: martychubbs on February 10, 2012, 12:16:00 PM

I choose EMC/Oz/BP for backups cause they have to type of pool I need, plus has MM (and love, love you guys.) Hope you understand, cause I hop, just suck at it.

You dont seem to understand what is meant by hopping; hopping doesnt mean switching pools whenever you feel like it. Hopping in this context means joining a proportional pool at the beginning of a new block and leave at the latest at 47% CDF. Doing so increases your profits substantially at the expense of people that dont hop, taking maximum advantage of lucky short blocks without suffering nearly as much on long blocks. You might begin to understand that if you calculate your current reward per share, why its smart to avoid that.

The other pools you mention are not proportional, they all use hop proof payout mechanisms. That means you can join or leave whenever you want without impacting your average reward, because your payout is not based on (known) past luck but (unknown) future luck.

Cause that made more sense, like when you explained the difference between prop and dgm, and why I should not use them as a BACKUP pool...cause they are hop proof! Really, you best be watching http://blockchain.info/ for the next hop point...oh wait there is no share count? no hash rate, no round time? when would you hop out? Oh wait you got that magic mustard! And YOU called ME stupid...? Doh...

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Quote from: martychubbs on February 12, 2012, 12:51:43 PM

Wow, that must be much easier to just look at that page. It is totally accurate and in real-time.

What makes you think it isnt?

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OK, so it must be really easy to hop for you, give it a try.

If goat can, I think just about anyone can. Well maybe anyone except you?

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And again, what will you do after 47% (?), if you turn off your miners you WILL have less than 100% payout over just a few blocks...

WTF? You cant be that stupid. You mine on a PPS or pplns pool of course and get 100% like anyone else mining there until you can hop again!

martychubbs

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Wow, that must be much easier to just look at that page. It is totally accurate and in real-time. OK, so it must be really easy to hop for you, give it a try. And again, what will you do after 47% (?), if you turn off your miners you WILL have less than 100% payout over just a few blocks...

BTW, your magic sauce is just mustard.

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Quote from: martychubbs on February 12, 2012, 12:15:16 PM

See, A1 and BC show an accurate share count for each round. Deepbit and Bitlc hide or randomly delay share counts so you have to guess where the hop point is and even worse when it starts... You need magic sauce that I don't see everyone agreeing on what it is exactly.

Magic sauce?
Here, have some:

http://blockchain.info/

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