Bitmain Announces the Antminer R4 and APW5 Power Supply, Designed for Silence - page 39.

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Quote from: klondike_bar_recovery on August 30, 2016, 11:55:26 AM

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Quote from: Searing on August 30, 2016, 01:43:11 AM

The only thing I see that is reasonably priced is the new PSU at 300 bucks....(or am I incorrect on that as well)

but $1300 bucks for the hash on this R4 don't cut it...

The colohub hosting we have they shut off their spondoolies sp35's as not being eff enough anymore and they probably have 4c kwh elec..also they have to keep
the whole place at 62F so part of the shut down is ie ..space heater vs what you are paying to air condition such...but anyway

so .anyway for what these spondoolies units go for on ebay (with built in psu) vs what you have to pay for the R4 with a psu...well...

pretty slim difference.....maybe if you were in Texas and had 4c kwh and it was in the garage...or basement or something.

but in the hosting field (with the heat output vs a/c and the say 4c kwh price) all I can say is the racks are being taken down as we speak

of spondoolies/bitmain S5 and maybe S7 as we speak....but they are putting up a lot of ether rigs by golly

I think its still a mystery why people are taking down the S7`s . They are the miners who finds blocks, not the S9 with BMMiner.
I did take down 50 pcs S5 and 50 pcs SP20e to make room for S7`and S9 and im not jumping on the wagon with the R4. The price/TH ratio is just plain stupid. If buying for 10k you get 80TH on the S9 and only 61,65TH on the R4 !!!!
Why on earth buying the R4 then ? Loosing almost 20TH, just to save on noise, or should we say Loosing 2500,-$...
Damn, for 1/3 of that price you could build a silence room and fill it up with Server PSU`s and S9`s...

Brinning back Home mining, my ass...... Its a freaking joke !

this isnt marketed to those who have a 10k budget. its for those who can only spare a few kw in a building were power is cheap/"free" but space and noise must be limited (such as a condo, dorm, etc)

if someone is looking for just buying a single miner to run in thier living room, the S9 is a horrible choice because of its noisy dB. even if it was underclocked to 8TH, the S9 would probably still be louder than this, and I think that's bitmain's target market on the R4

Yeah this is a free power office heater. my buddy is mining with an s7-ln in his office with 2.4 cent power.

this would allow a move from 2th to 7th with an increase in watts from 440 to 700 pretty good if you can get a decent warranty.

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Accidentally release it at double the intended price? I was excited at the potential of mining at home again.. nevermind.

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Quote from: Xircom on August 30, 2016, 03:05:10 AM

Quote from: Searing on August 30, 2016, 01:43:11 AM

The only thing I see that is reasonably priced is the new PSU at 300 bucks....(or am I incorrect on that as well)

but $1300 bucks for the hash on this R4 don't cut it...

The colohub hosting we have they shut off their spondoolies sp35's as not being eff enough anymore and they probably have 4c kwh elec..also they have to keep
the whole place at 62F so part of the shut down is ie ..space heater vs what you are paying to air condition such...but anyway

so .anyway for what these spondoolies units go for on ebay (with built in psu) vs what you have to pay for the R4 with a psu...well...

pretty slim difference.....maybe if you were in Texas and had 4c kwh and it was in the garage...or basement or something.

but in the hosting field (with the heat output vs a/c and the say 4c kwh price) all I can say is the racks are being taken down as we speak

of spondoolies/bitmain S5 and maybe S7 as we speak....but they are putting up a lot of ether rigs by golly

I think its still a mystery why people are taking down the S7`s . They are the miners who finds blocks, not the S9 with BMMiner.
I did take down 50 pcs S5 and 50 pcs SP20e to make room for S7`and S9 and im not jumping on the wagon with the R4. The price/TH ratio is just plain stupid. If buying for 10k you get 80TH on the S9 and only 61,65TH on the R4 !!!!
Why on earth buying the R4 then ? Loosing almost 20TH, just to save on noise, or should we say Loosing 2500,-$...
Damn, for 1/3 of that price you could build a silence room and fill it up with Server PSU`s and S9`s...

Brinning back Home mining, my ass...... Its a freaking joke !

this isnt marketed to those who have a 10k budget. its for those who can only spare a few kw in a building were power is cheap/"free" but space and noise must be limited (such as a condo, dorm, etc)

if someone is looking for just buying a single miner to run in thier living room, the S9 is a horrible choice because of its noisy dB. even if it was underclocked to 8TH, the S9 would probably still be louder than this, and I think that's bitmain's target market on the R4

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Quote from: adaseb on August 30, 2016, 08:36:09 AM

One of the PCIe looks burnt.

https://bitmaintech.com/bm_tech_admin_at_123/userfiles/image/antminer-r4-front.jpg

did you screen shot it?

~~the photo is gone~~

hot link to photo is not allowed but I think you mean this:

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So looking at the specs - the R4 only requires an 850Watt power supply?

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One of the PCIe looks burnt.

https://bitmaintech.com/bm_tech_admin_at_123/userfiles/image/antminer-r4-front.jpg

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Quote from: Xircom on August 30, 2016, 03:05:10 AM

Quote from: Searing on August 30, 2016, 01:43:11 AM

The only thing I see that is reasonably priced is the new PSU at 300 bucks....(or am I incorrect on that as well)

I think its still a mystery why people are taking down the S7`s

The new PSU I think turned out to be $260. Not bad at all for it's capabilities, *IF* it proves to be reliable.
7 *PAIRS* of PCI-E 6-pin connectors specified, dunno if that's supposed to be 7 cables or 14 cables but it sounds like it might be 7 cables with 2 connectors per cable? VERY VERY unclear.

Folks that are shutting down S7s are probably in one of 3 situations (1) HIGH summer electric rates, a lot of utility companies bump the rates a LOT during "A/C season" for 3 months or so out of the year, making an S7 unprofitable (2) High electric rate in general, making the S7 marginal to unprofitable with recent difficulty and price (3) unit died.

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Quote from: Searing on August 30, 2016, 01:43:11 AM

The only thing I see that is reasonably priced is the new PSU at 300 bucks....(or am I incorrect on that as well)

but $1300 bucks for the hash on this R4 don't cut it...

The colohub hosting we have they shut off their spondoolies sp35's as not being eff enough anymore and they probably have 4c kwh elec..also they have to keep
the whole place at 62F so part of the shut down is ie ..space heater vs what you are paying to air condition such...but anyway

so .anyway for what these spondoolies units go for on ebay (with built in psu) vs what you have to pay for the R4 with a psu...well...

pretty slim difference.....maybe if you were in Texas and had 4c kwh and it was in the garage...or basement or something.

but in the hosting field (with the heat output vs a/c and the say 4c kwh price) all I can say is the racks are being taken down as we speak

of spondoolies/bitmain S5 and maybe S7 as we speak....but they are putting up a lot of ether rigs by golly

I think its still a mystery why people are taking down the S7`s . They are the miners who finds blocks, not the S9 with BMMiner.
I did take down 50 pcs S5 and 50 pcs SP20e to make room for S7`and S9 and im not jumping on the wagon with the R4. The price/TH ratio is just plain stupid. If buying for 10k you get 80TH on the S9 and only 61,65TH on the R4 !!!!
Why on earth buying the R4 then ? Loosing almost 20TH, just to save on noise, or should we say Loosing 2500,-$...
Damn, for 1/3 of that price you could build a silence room and fill it up with Server PSU`s and S9`s...

Brinning back Home mining, my ass...... Its a freaking joke !

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Clueless!

The only thing I see that is reasonably priced is the new PSU at 300 bucks....(or am I incorrect on that as well)

but $1300 bucks for the hash on this R4 don't cut it...

The colohub hosting we have they shut off their spondoolies sp35's as not being eff enough anymore and they probably have 4c kwh elec..also they have to keep
the whole place at 62F so part of the shut down is ie ..space heater vs what you are paying to air condition such...but anyway

so .anyway for what these spondoolies units go for on ebay (with built in psu) vs what you have to pay for the R4 with a psu...well...

pretty slim difference.....maybe if you were in Texas and had 4c kwh and it was in the garage...or basement or something.

but in the hosting field (with the heat output vs a/c and the say 4c kwh price) all I can say is the racks are being taken down as we speak

of spondoolies/bitmain S5 and maybe S7 as we speak....but they are putting up a lot of ether rigs by golly

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Unless the cables are sturdy enough for splitters, which if they're 18AWG on the PSU I wouldn't trust it too far.

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Quote from: kodokbuduk on August 30, 2016, 12:00:03 AM

can we use one APW5 to power two antminer R4? i am in 220volt so should be generate 2600watt

I believe you will have a shortage of pcie cables.

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can we use one APW5 to power two antminer R4? i am in 220volt so should be generate 2600watt

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 29, 2016, 09:18:20 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on August 29, 2016, 09:10:35 PM

* Xian01 sees Bitmain releases a new product geared for home mining

* Xian01 dusts off account

* Xian01 laughs out loud at the price and wonders what is in the water over there in China

* Xian01 proceeds to visit Coinbase to purchase/HODL 3 BTC instead

You suck, Bitmain.

* Xian01 resumes lurking

Can't say I blame you. Good luck!

This is how they make more money selling mining gear than actually mining. I do appreciate that they still sell gear. I do loathe their warranty and epically poor warranty repair service. Still waiting to get a board back. And I think a quiet miner is genius. But even for a fanatic (like myself), $1400 is insulting.

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Back OT, even if shipping is zero on checkout, that only saves $140USD for me (+maybe whatever brokerage UPS might add). Still not attractive on price for me. If closer to the teaser $1k USD Bitmain posted before opening sales of the R4, sure.

And I might add that aside from the s1 I have always been a batch-1 buyer.

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Quote from: Xian01 on August 29, 2016, 09:10:35 PM

* Xian01 sees Bitmain releases a new product geared for home mining

* Xian01 dusts off account

* Xian01 laughs out loud at the price and wonders what is in the water over there in China

* Xian01 proceeds to visit Coinbase to purchase/HODL 3 BTC instead

You suck, Bitmain.

* Xian01 resumes lurking

Yep, that's been the winning strategy for the last year or so.

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Quote from: Xian01 on August 29, 2016, 09:10:35 PM

* Xian01 sees Bitmain releases a new product geared for home mining

* Xian01 dusts off account

* Xian01 laughs out loud at the price and wonders what is in the water over there in China

* Xian01 proceeds to visit Coinbase to purchase/HODL 3 BTC instead

You suck, Bitmain.

* Xian01 resumes lurking

Can't say I blame you. Good luck!

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* Xian01 sees Bitmain releases a new product geared for home mining

* Xian01 dusts off account

* Xian01 laughs out loud at the price and wonders what is in the water over there in China

* Xian01 proceeds to visit Coinbase to purchase/HODL 3 BTC instead

You suck, Bitmain.

* Xian01 resumes lurking

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Quote from: traxor on August 29, 2016, 08:47:24 PM

I am so disappointed.

I was really looking forward to getting a few of these.

I'll look forward to reading the reviews from those of you who did shell out the extra coin.

And; hopefully, a price drop soon.

EDIT: Phil -- are your board failures from a specific batch?

No one miner is a batch one. It mined for 65 days.

The other miner is a batch 10 it mined for 10 hours.

A third miner is flaky but would be a batch 3 not sure if it is going to lose a board.

At finksy. The warranty length of 90 days and the fact that getting it honored is hard to do are both wrong.

I can live with high price for the gear although this item should be 1000-1100 with a real warranty say six or nine months.

Not a ninety day that is not easy to,get.

I purchased lots of gear from them lots and lots of gear.

S1 s3 s5 s7 s9 over 85000 usd .
I have 1 replacement s-1 issued I have a 150 dollar under hash adjustment.
I now need two replacement boards.
This is over three years of purchases and more then 75 pieces of gear.
I showed many ways,to use their gear and I have helped them this way.

But now looking at two dead boards and a flakey third one.
On low clocks never over clocked never run at high temps. I see warranty length and service as huge problem
Why buy gear that dies fast and you still can get the warranty?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 29, 2016, 03:56:12 PM

The price is fine if it had a real warranty. but sadly an item that won't break even for about 400 days and how long is the warranty?

Oh I now have a second dead miner board. so 6 units 18 board 2 dead boards.

I still like the gear .
I like that they sell gear.

The price is not the issue the warranty is a real problem.

Unfortunately without real warranty protection these are almost certain to be losing items.

I completely disagree, they are both problems. They could have a 10 year warranty it wouldn't change the fact that they are SCREWING customers on warranty claims, even if you have done everything by the book as the customer! I'm quite surprised they haven't extended their warranty yet, laughing all the way to the bank every time they send an email out denying warranty based on false claims on their side.

Bitmain,

I would like to thank you for increasing the price of these from your original plan of $1000. It made my decision that much easier NOT to support your dishonourable company, and the shady practices that go along with it. Keep up the great work, you are safely eliminating mining competition every time you release a product or deny a warranty. Until someone else comes along...

Also, they don't even have it listed in their China site: https://cnshop.bitmain.com/product.htm I guess they are too embarrassed than to try to put this one past their fellow countrymen.

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I am so disappointed.

I was really looking forward to getting a few of these.

I'll look forward to reading the reviews from those of you who did shell out the extra coin.

And; hopefully, a price drop soon.

EDIT: ~~Phil -- are your board failures from a specific batch?~~ Nevermind -- I found the answer in your post history. Grin

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