Topic: Bitmain Introduces the S19 and S19 Pro - page 10. (Read 4803 times)
Maybe but they can raise the price of btc - remember its in their best interest to lower btc value when selling as well - lets then get more of our btc
Nah I can tell you that is not a move they would make. The $$$ lost in dropping price down to 8500 from 10500 is too much to bother.
Nah they will have a lot of trouble selling this gear. If coins are at 8500 no one will order.
To think they dropped btc price to kill off coupons makes less sense than jacking up price to sell more gear.
Unless they plan to pump BCH or BSV to sell gear.
To think they dropped btc price to kill off coupons makes less sense than jacking up price to sell more gear.
Unless they plan to pump BCH or BSV to sell gear.
easy, buy btc to raise the value so that their miners now look like a good deal.
My conspiracy...
So this is copying the M20S idea? Just a bigger case and MOAR hashboards? Is this thing going to need two 1800w power cables? 4 140mm fans?
Well at least the firmware shouldn't be much different then, hopefully...
Nah they will have a lot of trouble selling this gear. If coins are at 8500 no one will order.
To think they dropped btc price to kill off coupons makes less sense than jacking up price to sell more gear.
Unless they plan to pump BCH or BSV to sell gear.
To think they dropped btc price to kill off coupons makes less sense than jacking up price to sell more gear.
Unless they plan to pump BCH or BSV to sell gear.
and wouldnt ya know it, bitcoin was over 10k for 3 straight days and all my coupons are expired but now btc is down - i think they have enough btc and cash to swing the market to make coupons all sadly expire right before new equipment, i have had over 30 coupons expire in same situation - a few days to a week before new gear is announced/released.
Exactly my thinking!
But if I were Bitmain, I would do the same tbh...
and wouldnt ya know it, bitcoin was over 10k for 3 straight days and all my coupons are expired but now btc is down - i think they have enough btc and cash to swing the market to make coupons all sadly expire right before new equipment, i have had over 30 coupons expire in same situation - a few days to a week before new gear is announced/released.
My conspiracy....
It's the same chips as a S17... Just a ton of them...
I can get a s17 down to 25w/th ad 36th/s
These are running at 35w/th (to compete with microbt)
These also weigh a few KILOS more than a S17....
What is heavy on a miner.... THE HEATSINKS!
My conspiracy's the same S17 chips just a fuckload more (like the + models) downclocked (like the + models) and a fuck load of heatsinks for each of the chips. It would explain the weight and it is VERY doable.
If this is the case I can't wait to make a firmware to push these things to the 3600W max of the psu and run them at 125+ th/s or make these things run at 25w/th and be super efficient.
It's the same chips as a S17... Just a ton of them...
I can get a s17 down to 25w/th ad 36th/s
These are running at 35w/th (to compete with microbt)
These also weigh a few KILOS more than a S17....
What is heavy on a miner.... THE HEATSINKS!
My conspiracy's the same S17 chips just a fuckload more (like the + models) downclocked (like the + models) and a fuck load of heatsinks for each of the chips. It would explain the weight and it is VERY doable.
If this is the case I can't wait to make a firmware to push these things to the 3600W max of the psu and run them at 125+ th/s or make these things run at 25w/th and be super efficient.
Yeah could happen like you say so I am only getting one or two of these to start.
As for getting 100th for 3000
I got 15 s9s with psu’s for 3000. about 210th my power deal is 50-50 split.
so I mined the entire 2019 year with the equivalent of 105th and zero power cost.
I am always floating between old gear cheap price.
new gear for high price.
cheap priced gear due to poor power numbers is good for me
expensive priced gear due to great power numbers is good for my host.
so i try to have some of each.
As for getting 100th for 3000
I got 15 s9s with psu’s for 3000. about 210th my power deal is 50-50 split.
so I mined the entire 2019 year with the equivalent of 105th and zero power cost.
I am always floating between old gear cheap price.
new gear for high price.
cheap priced gear due to poor power numbers is good for me
expensive priced gear due to great power numbers is good for my host.
so i try to have some of each.
Efficiency on pro model looks nice, but non-pro version has almost same efficiency as S17 Pro. Without more details on specs and if low power mode available, I think I may pass. Seems like possible dump of 7nm chips right before 5nm and repeat of S15. Market as "future of mining" and then release something better a few months later.
if the S9 cases work - i wonder how much it would be to just buy hashboards and controllers - without the existing case/psu - might be able to save some $ there.
at you 3 board idea (i only chose 4 to be even but you are most likely correct and it will be 3)
that would be around 37 th units at 1100 watts. I would imagine those selling like hotcakes if the price is right. I have the idea but sadly not the capital to make it happen - hopefully someone will and make a profit from my idea lol hell, i might buy a few (maybe i can get a discount) lol.
at you 3 board idea (i only chose 4 to be even but you are most likely correct and it will be 3)
that would be around 37 th units at 1100 watts. I would imagine those selling like hotcakes if the price is right. I have the idea but sadly not the capital to make it happen - hopefully someone will and make a profit from my idea lol hell, i might buy a few (maybe i can get a discount) lol.
... or just take the S19's apart - after all, they will most likely be two S9 shells combined right?
Hmm I have 28 s9's If I pull the fans and the shells maybe I build a cheap easy case for a doctored s17 first
then try a doctored s19 or s19 pro.
If you put these out right away they could be a nice item to sell.
If they are 3 board units you could sell 3
1 board units
pretend a full unit is 2400
I think a 1 board unit could go for 1100 assuming you tamed the sound levels
so 3 x 1100 = 3300 -2400 = 900 but added parts are at least 450. the killer is the psu will be over 150 shipped.
the psu is basically bespoke oem part along with the controller the two will be close to 225 shipped to usa.
imagine that - if you could bulk order cases - hmm would old s9 cases work for two boards? maybe make use of the shells and the old psu's - take the old hash boards and use for the projects like the Terminus.r606 which uses S9 chips.
or just take the S19's apart - after all, they will most likely be two S9 shells combined right?
or just take the S19's apart - after all, they will most likely be two S9 shells combined right?
the controllers will be 60 to 100
the psu around 150
the trick is getting a case. this idea is worth some merits.
the psu around 150
the trick is getting a case. this idea is worth some merits.
they should have an option to buy the miners with the number of hash boards requested by the buyer - example, if it has 4 boards and runs at 110 th with 3300 watts - why not let the buyer specify 2 boards to get 55 th and use 1650 watts
I mean you could essentially buy them and do this yourself but that would get expensive to just remove half the hashboards unless you can get a second controller and a second case for relatively cheap.
I mean you could essentially buy them and do this yourself but that would get expensive to just remove half the hashboards unless you can get a second controller and a second case for relatively cheap.
I guess we can now say that any kind of home / low power mining is done. It's a shame really, we all knew it was coming but this really proves it. More power hungry equipment with no low power stuff out there at all.
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
-Dave
Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
-Dave
I am wired that I can add a lot of these but they scare me. I would prefer they did 2800 watts or less.
I will get them to replace the 28 s9's I have.
The nice thing is 28 x 1100 = 31 kwatts and maybe 336 th
9 of these = 30 kwatts and 990th
I will get them to replace the 28 s9's I have.
The nice thing is 28 x 1100 = 31 kwatts and maybe 336 th
9 of these = 30 kwatts and 990th
I really hate the 3k watts - until I build a new warehouse, the current one cannot handle 3k watt miners without a complete rewiring. I guess I will just have to hope for getting some of the T17/S17 variants for cheap.
and to think nearly 2 years ago to date, S9's were 2300 a piece and selling like hotcakes.
and to think nearly 2 years ago to date, S9's were 2300 a piece and selling like hotcakes.
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3000 might be high for you subjectively but imagine having a 100 TH/s for 3000 USD last year. I am just saying, I expect them to be just around that number (or even higher).
True true, I understand where your math comes from, but I do not think that price is going to stagnate as well as difficulty.
S9s are going to get turned off a lot (diff going down) and price *SHOULD* go up to accommodate miners.
It is true that it is a risk, but hasn't it always been a risk? Nothing is really much different than last halving.
They said in a twitter post it goes as low as 23w/th. I am assuming they have multiple modes on them, like a low power mode and such.
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