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Topic: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3 - page 56. (Read 299686 times)

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Activity: 187
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I believe both BTC and BCH will survive ...
c'mon .. how many market cap of all transaction in the world? ... say 5% would be used crypto as both payment settlement or cash payment ...?
you can imagine right?

Just keep calm, keep mining, and keep holding your favorite coins. The tricky part is to study and research which coins you will hold and will survive Wink
legendary
Activity: 1453
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Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks
Your arguments about them selling the shovels. Just providing market demand only holds water when you don’t self mine aswell. Seems like a Ponzi in the making.  ESP on BitmainCash considering they the only ones accepting it that matters.  When I see shit I don’t just walk over it. I let the next guy know as well

BR
legendary
Activity: 1453
Merit: 1011
Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks
In the New York agreement, developers of Bitcoin ecosystems suggested the implementation of SegWit and the glorious Bitmain gave a crisis and did not accept.

Because?

Your equipment would lose its advantage, ASICBoost is not compatible with Segwit.

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

Supposedly Bitcoin Cash was created to improve ecosystems with the implantation of blocks larger than 1mb, however, such improvement is not in fact, being used, some blocks at peak times were higher than 1mb, see the chart:

https://fork.lol/blocks/size

The truth, Bitmain saw that it could not insure SegWit, so, not to lose its advantage with ASICBoost, decided to create Bitcoin Cash, surprisingly, in a few days the company made more than 100 million with Bitcoin Cash.

How did Bitmain value Bitcoin Cash so much?

Today you only buy an Antminer S9, certainly the most sought after mining on the planet, only with Bitcoin Cash, see the link in the payment window.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020171110160546640l4g92i60062E

Conclusion - We can see that Bitmain manipulates the market in every way. In January 2018 there will be about 50,000 people rioting in Bitmain because they bought a toaster, Antminer D3.

To fight with an unscrupulous company of this size, I see only one way, let's unite, so we'll have a voice.

See the emails we receive from Bitmain are copies of each other.

I created a group in gmail to try to group as many people as possible. Anyone can help manage the group.

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/antminer-d3

Yea it’s good to see more turning on to the pump and dumpers that Are bitmain. The only reason bch has a leg to stand on is bitmain changed the payment from btc to only accepting bch.  They are pulling the same scam they pulled with bitcoin on bitchcoin or aka bitmain cash.  The problem you have is most of us are computer nerds behind a desk.  How many of us do you think will goto bitmain doorstep and riot???  There are no laws on this sh$t yet. China ban ico so bitmain circumvents it by creating new coins.  Eventually they will abuse it to the point where China bans new coin creation.  Of course that would be like trying to ban bitcoin so they will make accepting it illegal.  Keep poking the bear bitmain eventually it will bite you back!!!   To all that lost on this scam I feel for ya.  Crypto is a scammers haven.  Bitmain falls in that category for quite some time now.  Be careful folks. 

Sadly this is what capitalism breeds.  Gotta always fuck your fellow man to get ahead. What the fuck happened to us as a society.  We are allowing capitalism to eat us from the inside out.  DISGUSTING

Hell I watch so many emotions on this forum all over money.  Why do we let something have so much power over us?

BR
Everybody who bought a D3 need to keep in mind that Bitmain did not force you to buy a D3. Everybody had an equal opportunity to do their own research, and make their own decisions. It's not Bitmains fault that the network difficulty skyrocketed so much. They saw an opportunity to create a new miner for a new algo, and the made enough to fit the demand. They did a good job. People who bought the first batch of D3s either broke even or may have even made a small profit. If you did some research you would notice that the D3, while affordable, were already not as efficient as other miners in the market (A5).  If you have mining experience under your belt, you would know that buying a D3 would not work out in the long haul when something more than twice as efficient is available. If you did realize this, you bought the D3 hoping to get into the marker before the network difficulty skyrocketed, meaning that you managed to get their first batch or (possibly) second batch, and had the opportunity to make a profit before too many people were able to join in.

If I walked into your house and begged you to sell me your toaster and offered you $2699, and you were under pressure to make as a profit, would you not sell it to me? At the time of sale it seems like a win win. I am happy that I have a new toaster, and you are happy you made a huge profit.

Bitmain could of simply decided to only sell half as many Antminer D3s as they did just to prevent the network difficulty from skyrocketing, but they would be taking a huge financial loss, and disappointing tons of customers that lined up to buy the D3.

Take this as a lesson learned the hard way. Mining has risk associated with it. Nothing is guaranteed, otherwise everybody and their grandma would be doing it.

I know I may make many people upset with this post, but I feel that people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming Bitmain. Bitmain is only guilty of delivering what was in demand. They probably saw this coming, but they cannot assume responsibility for the network effects. They can only supply our demand.

Of course they could do thing better like shipping PSUs on time with the Antminers if they were bought together, or stop supporting a cryptocurrency aimed at centralization (BCH) but there is always room for improvement.

tl;dr = Take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming Bitmain for network effects. If you didn't know that the Dash network difficulty was going to skyrocket, you didn't do enough research before you purchased.

Agree with your point ...

I’ll leave this here with you.  Bitmain is not a fair player.  They have this network and all other by the balls.  They also are gaining majority holdings of most top coins.  How do you think this will play out.  I’m sure it will be in public’s favor right. Anyway. I come across this over last days. Sums it up rather well and was an excellent prediction dating back months now.   Bitmain is the shitstain of crypto. Bottom line. Peace out. https://pastebin.com/n0aGBMQr

BR
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Activity: 187
Merit: 100
In the New York agreement, developers of Bitcoin ecosystems suggested the implementation of SegWit and the glorious Bitmain gave a crisis and did not accept.

Because?

Your equipment would lose its advantage, ASICBoost is not compatible with Segwit.

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

Supposedly Bitcoin Cash was created to improve ecosystems with the implantation of blocks larger than 1mb, however, such improvement is not in fact, being used, some blocks at peak times were higher than 1mb, see the chart:

https://fork.lol/blocks/size

The truth, Bitmain saw that it could not insure SegWit, so, not to lose its advantage with ASICBoost, decided to create Bitcoin Cash, surprisingly, in a few days the company made more than 100 million with Bitcoin Cash.

How did Bitmain value Bitcoin Cash so much?

Today you only buy an Antminer S9, certainly the most sought after mining on the planet, only with Bitcoin Cash, see the link in the payment window.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020171110160546640l4g92i60062E

Conclusion - We can see that Bitmain manipulates the market in every way. In January 2018 there will be about 50,000 people rioting in Bitmain because they bought a toaster, Antminer D3.

To fight with an unscrupulous company of this size, I see only one way, let's unite, so we'll have a voice.

See the emails we receive from Bitmain are copies of each other.

I created a group in gmail to try to group as many people as possible. Anyone can help manage the group.

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/antminer-d3

Yea it’s good to see more turning on to the pump and dumpers that Are bitmain. The only reason bch has a leg to stand on is bitmain changed the payment from btc to only accepting bch.  They are pulling the same scam they pulled with bitcoin on bitchcoin or aka bitmain cash.  The problem you have is most of us are computer nerds behind a desk.  How many of us do you think will goto bitmain doorstep and riot???  There are no laws on this sh$t yet. China ban ico so bitmain circumvents it by creating new coins.  Eventually they will abuse it to the point where China bans new coin creation.  Of course that would be like trying to ban bitcoin so they will make accepting it illegal.  Keep poking the bear bitmain eventually it will bite you back!!!   To all that lost on this scam I feel for ya.  Crypto is a scammers haven.  Bitmain falls in that category for quite some time now.  Be careful folks. 

Sadly this is what capitalism breeds.  Gotta always fuck your fellow man to get ahead. What the fuck happened to us as a society.  We are allowing capitalism to eat us from the inside out.  DISGUSTING

Hell I watch so many emotions on this forum all over money.  Why do we let something have so much power over us?

BR
Everybody who bought a D3 need to keep in mind that Bitmain did not force you to buy a D3. Everybody had an equal opportunity to do their own research, and make their own decisions. It's not Bitmains fault that the network difficulty skyrocketed so much. They saw an opportunity to create a new miner for a new algo, and the made enough to fit the demand. They did a good job. People who bought the first batch of D3s either broke even or may have even made a small profit. If you did some research you would notice that the D3, while affordable, were already not as efficient as other miners in the market (A5).  If you have mining experience under your belt, you would know that buying a D3 would not work out in the long haul when something more than twice as efficient is available. If you did realize this, you bought the D3 hoping to get into the marker before the network difficulty skyrocketed, meaning that you managed to get their first batch or (possibly) second batch, and had the opportunity to make a profit before too many people were able to join in.

If I walked into your house and begged you to sell me your toaster and offered you $2699, and you were under pressure to make as a profit, would you not sell it to me? At the time of sale it seems like a win win. I am happy that I have a new toaster, and you are happy you made a huge profit.

Bitmain could of simply decided to only sell half as many Antminer D3s as they did just to prevent the network difficulty from skyrocketing, but they would be taking a huge financial loss, and disappointing tons of customers that lined up to buy the D3.

Take this as a lesson learned the hard way. Mining has risk associated with it. Nothing is guaranteed, otherwise everybody and their grandma would be doing it.

I know I may make many people upset with this post, but I feel that people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming Bitmain. Bitmain is only guilty of delivering what was in demand. They probably saw this coming, but they cannot assume responsibility for the network effects. They can only supply our demand.

Of course they could do thing better like shipping PSUs on time with the Antminers if they were bought together, or stop supporting a cryptocurrency aimed at centralization (BCH) but there is always room for improvement.

tl;dr = Take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming Bitmain for network effects. If you didn't know that the Dash network difficulty was going to skyrocket, you didn't do enough research before you purchased.

Agree with your point ...
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Activity: 89
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In the New York agreement, developers of Bitcoin ecosystems suggested the implementation of SegWit and the glorious Bitmain gave a crisis and did not accept.

Because?

Your equipment would lose its advantage, ASICBoost is not compatible with Segwit.

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

Supposedly Bitcoin Cash was created to improve ecosystems with the implantation of blocks larger than 1mb, however, such improvement is not in fact, being used, some blocks at peak times were higher than 1mb, see the chart:

https://fork.lol/blocks/size

The truth, Bitmain saw that it could not insure SegWit, so, not to lose its advantage with ASICBoost, decided to create Bitcoin Cash, surprisingly, in a few days the company made more than 100 million with Bitcoin Cash.

How did Bitmain value Bitcoin Cash so much?

Today you only buy an Antminer S9, certainly the most sought after mining on the planet, only with Bitcoin Cash, see the link in the payment window.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020171110160546640l4g92i60062E

Conclusion - We can see that Bitmain manipulates the market in every way. In January 2018 there will be about 50,000 people rioting in Bitmain because they bought a toaster, Antminer D3.

To fight with an unscrupulous company of this size, I see only one way, let's unite, so we'll have a voice.

See the emails we receive from Bitmain are copies of each other.

I created a group in gmail to try to group as many people as possible. Anyone can help manage the group.

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/antminer-d3

Yea it’s good to see more turning on to the pump and dumpers that Are bitmain. The only reason bch has a leg to stand on is bitmain changed the payment from btc to only accepting bch.  They are pulling the same scam they pulled with bitcoin on bitchcoin or aka bitmain cash.  The problem you have is most of us are computer nerds behind a desk.  How many of us do you think will goto bitmain doorstep and riot???  There are no laws on this sh$t yet. China ban ico so bitmain circumvents it by creating new coins.  Eventually they will abuse it to the point where China bans new coin creation.  Of course that would be like trying to ban bitcoin so they will make accepting it illegal.  Keep poking the bear bitmain eventually it will bite you back!!!   To all that lost on this scam I feel for ya.  Crypto is a scammers haven.  Bitmain falls in that category for quite some time now.  Be careful folks. 

Sadly this is what capitalism breeds.  Gotta always fuck your fellow man to get ahead. What the fuck happened to us as a society.  We are allowing capitalism to eat us from the inside out.  DISGUSTING

Hell I watch so many emotions on this forum all over money.  Why do we let something have so much power over us?

BR
Everybody who bought a D3 need to keep in mind that Bitmain did not force you to buy a D3. Everybody had an equal opportunity to do their own research, and make their own decisions. It's not Bitmains fault that the network difficulty skyrocketed so much. They saw an opportunity to create a new miner for a new algo, and the made enough to fit the demand. They did a good job. People who bought the first batch of D3s either broke even or may have even made a small profit. If you did some research you would notice that the D3, while affordable, were already not as efficient as other miners in the market (A5).  If you have mining experience under your belt, you would know that buying a D3 would not work out in the long haul when something more than twice as efficient is available. If you did realize this, you bought the D3 hoping to get into the marker before the network difficulty skyrocketed, meaning that you managed to get their first batch or (possibly) second batch, and had the opportunity to make a profit before too many people were able to join in.

If I walked into your house and begged you to sell me your toaster and offered you $2699, and you were under pressure to make as a profit, would you not sell it to me? At the time of sale it seems like a win win. I am happy that I have a new toaster, and you are happy you made a huge profit.

Bitmain could of simply decided to only sell half as many Antminer D3s as they did just to prevent the network difficulty from skyrocketing, but they would be taking a huge financial loss, and disappointing tons of customers that lined up to buy the D3.

Take this as a lesson learned the hard way. Mining has risk associated with it. Nothing is guaranteed, otherwise everybody and their grandma would be doing it.

I know I may make many people upset with this post, but I feel that people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming Bitmain. Bitmain is only guilty of delivering what was in demand. They probably saw this coming, but they cannot assume responsibility for the network effects. They can only supply our demand.

Of course they could do thing better like shipping PSUs on time with the Antminers if they were bought together, or stop supporting a cryptocurrency aimed at centralization (BCH) but there is always room for improvement.

tl;dr = Take responsibility for your actions and stop blaming Bitmain for network effects. If you didn't know that the Dash network difficulty was going to skyrocket, you didn't do enough research before you purchased.
full member
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Anybody can recommend "UL certified" power supply for Antminers?
EVGA's are good but expensive as Hell. You can find Antminer APW3+++ for $200.00 on amazon sometimes.
yeah, evga's are too expensive...       APW3++ are not UL certified in US.   I need a UL certified for some reason  Wink  - but not so expensive as EVGA.


Really so do you think these PSU's from bitmain arent safe? I'd like to know if I have a potential firehazard....
I don't think he was saying "not safe". They just don't have the official "approval tag " of the UL a US based safety oversight group. There is NO evidence to suggest a safety problem.
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OK, I would like to be helpful, so I am currently switched to mine ONIX coin.
on https://www.mining-dutch.nl/ is it possible. It's very similar mining pool like Prohashing. So you have to register, choose onix pool, nofigure your D3 miner and choose payout address where you want to be payed.
I choosed to by payed in DASH, becouse I like this currency and I trust that it will increase.
legendary
Activity: 1453
Merit: 1011
Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks
In the New York agreement, developers of Bitcoin ecosystems suggested the implementation of SegWit and the glorious Bitmain gave a crisis and did not accept.

Because?

Your equipment would lose its advantage, ASICBoost is not compatible with Segwit.

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

Supposedly Bitcoin Cash was created to improve ecosystems with the implantation of blocks larger than 1mb, however, such improvement is not in fact, being used, some blocks at peak times were higher than 1mb, see the chart:

https://fork.lol/blocks/size

The truth, Bitmain saw that it could not insure SegWit, so, not to lose its advantage with ASICBoost, decided to create Bitcoin Cash, surprisingly, in a few days the company made more than 100 million with Bitcoin Cash.

How did Bitmain value Bitcoin Cash so much?

Today you only buy an Antminer S9, certainly the most sought after mining on the planet, only with Bitcoin Cash, see the link in the payment window.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020171110160546640l4g92i60062E

Conclusion - We can see that Bitmain manipulates the market in every way. In January 2018 there will be about 50,000 people rioting in Bitmain because they bought a toaster, Antminer D3.

To fight with an unscrupulous company of this size, I see only one way, let's unite, so we'll have a voice.

See the emails we receive from Bitmain are copies of each other.

I created a group in gmail to try to group as many people as possible. Anyone can help manage the group.

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/antminer-d3

Yea it’s good to see more turning on to the pump and dumpers that Are bitmain. The only reason bch has a leg to stand on is bitmain changed the payment from btc to only accepting bch.  They are pulling the same scam they pulled with bitcoin on bitchcoin or aka bitmain cash.  The problem you have is most of us are computer nerds behind a desk.  How many of us do you think will goto bitmain doorstep and riot???  There are no laws on this sh$t yet. China ban ico so bitmain circumvents it by creating new coins.  Eventually they will abuse it to the point where China bans new coin creation.  Of course that would be like trying to ban bitcoin so they will make accepting it illegal.  Keep poking the bear bitmain eventually it will bite you back!!!   To all that lost on this scam I feel for ya.  Crypto is a scammers haven.  Bitmain falls in that category for quite some time now.  Be careful folks. 

Sadly this is what capitalism breeds.  Gotta always fuck your fellow man to get ahead. What the fuck happened to us as a society.  We are allowing capitalism to eat us from the inside out.  DISGUSTING

Hell I watch so many emotions on this forum all over money.  Why do we let something have so much power over us?

BR
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Anybody can recommend "UL certified" power supply for Antminers?

parallelminer.com
Thank you for info!  They seem to have a wide choice of PSUs, of good prices.

Do you know if they are UL certified?
full member
Activity: 392
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Anybody can recommend "UL certified" power supply for Antminers?
EVGA's are good but expensive as Hell. You can find Antminer APW3+++ for $200.00 on amazon sometimes.
yeah, evga's are too expensive...       APW3++ are not UL certified in US.   I need a UL certified for some reason  Wink  - but not so expensive as EVGA.


Really so do you think these PSU's from bitmain arent safe? I'd like to know if I have a potential firehazard....
No, i don't think so, as bitmain's PSUs have been working for quite a lond time, and nobody complained.   They are just not certified in US by UL(Underwriters Laboratories), and my hosting provider requests that PSU has to be certified  Angry
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Clueless!
In the New York agreement, developers of Bitcoin ecosystems suggested the implementation of SegWit and the glorious Bitmain gave a crisis and did not accept.

Because?

Your equipment would lose its advantage, ASICBoost is not compatible with Segwit.

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

Supposedly Bitcoin Cash was created to improve ecosystems with the implantation of blocks larger than 1mb, however, such improvement is not in fact, being used, some blocks at peak times were higher than 1mb, see the chart:

https://fork.lol/blocks/size

The truth, Bitmain saw that it could not insure SegWit, so, not to lose its advantage with ASICBoost, decided to create Bitcoin Cash, surprisingly, in a few days the company made more than 100 million with Bitcoin Cash.

How did Bitmain value Bitcoin Cash so much?

Today you only buy an Antminer S9, certainly the most sought after mining on the planet, only with Bitcoin Cash, see the link in the payment window.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020171110160546640l4g92i60062E

Conclusion - We can see that Bitmain manipulates the market in every way. In January 2018 there will be about 50,000 people rioting in Bitmain because they bought a toaster, Antminer D3.

To fight with an unscrupulous company of this size, I see only one way, let's unite, so we'll have a voice.

See the emails we receive from Bitmain are copies of each other.

I created a group in gmail to try to group as many people as possible. Anyone can help manage the group.

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/antminer-d3


well put....the difference IMHO, between Bitmain and previous ASIC makers...is they had 2 months between for batches....probably as much volume...but breaks .just not dumped
in mass...there is a difference, again, IMHO, between a 'fast buck' and building a customer base, but with bitmain ...with their own data halls and there on belief imho, that asic
miners for the masses is doomed.....it is all a setup

anyway, harsh, but bitmain prove me wrong...(hard to be generous when you have 90% of all ASIC miners of any flavor, x11, scrypt-pow and sha-256)

Hey guys, cut my price to 750$ for both D3 and Power supply putting D3 at 600$ alone. Would like to sell together and if someone feels they have more luck than me this is probably a good deal for you. I can't be bothered trying to get a higher deal so I cut it by 200$. This is where price will be staying for the time being. PM me or find me below at these contacts. Smiley

Skype: [email protected]
Email: [email protected]

I recommend you to hold it rather than selling it at that price, you don't know the future, had you checked out this guy's modded firmware?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/antminer-d3-blissz-firmware-1012-v112-update-2346161

But if you still want to sell, i would like to take the PSU from you.


Well assuming....the other thread  where they say the 17.5gh pulls 1100 watts at 12c kWh you get below

(can't find the link...a guy found 1,100 watts pulled at the wall at 220v vs bimain saying 950 watts FYI)

$3.46 USD/day ..hardly inspiring....with 3 more D3 batches in the wind and the A5's at 30gh hitting the world today

anyway ..the slow slide below continues

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/dash?HashingPower=17.5&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=1100&CostPerkWh=0.12






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Hey guys, cut my price to 750$ for both D3 and Power supply putting D3 at 600$ alone. Would like to sell together and if someone feels they have more luck than me this is probably a good deal for you. I can't be bothered trying to get a higher deal so I cut it by 200$. This is where price will be staying for the time being. PM me or find me below at these contacts. Smiley

Skype: [email protected]
Email: [email protected]

500 USD ?
hta
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A happy family is but an earlier heaven!
In the New York agreement, developers of Bitcoin ecosystems suggested the implementation of SegWit and the glorious Bitmain gave a crisis and did not accept.

Because?

Your equipment would lose its advantage, ASICBoost is not compatible with Segwit.

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

Supposedly Bitcoin Cash was created to improve ecosystems with the implantation of blocks larger than 1mb, however, such improvement is not in fact, being used, some blocks at peak times were higher than 1mb, see the chart:

https://fork.lol/blocks/size

The truth, Bitmain saw that it could not insure SegWit, so, not to lose its advantage with ASICBoost, decided to create Bitcoin Cash, surprisingly, in a few days the company made more than 100 million with Bitcoin Cash.

How did Bitmain value Bitcoin Cash so much?

Today you only buy an Antminer S9, certainly the most sought after mining on the planet, only with Bitcoin Cash, see the link in the payment window.

https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020171110160546640l4g92i60062E

Conclusion - We can see that Bitmain manipulates the market in every way. In January 2018 there will be about 50,000 people rioting in Bitmain because they bought a toaster, Antminer D3.

To fight with an unscrupulous company of this size, I see only one way, let's unite, so we'll have a voice.

See the emails we receive from Bitmain are copies of each other.

I created a group in gmail to try to group as many people as possible. Anyone can help manage the group.

https://groups.google.com/d/forum/antminer-d3

I totally with you, bitmain an unscrupulous company
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anybody know when the hek is bitmain going to be shipping these PSU's??

they're purposely delaying it to reduce network i bet
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Anybody can recommend "UL certified" power supply for Antminers?

parallelminer.com
sr. member
Activity: 728
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Anybody can recommend "UL certified" power supply for Antminers?
EVGA's are good but expensive as Hell. You can find Antminer APW3+++ for $200.00 on amazon sometimes.
yeah, evga's are too expensive...       APW3++ are not UL certified in US.   I need a UL certified for some reason  Wink  - but not so expensive as EVGA.


Really so do you think these PSU's from bitmain arent safe? I'd like to know if I have a potential firehazard....
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