Posting this here for the sake of transparency. This is from #general on slack. Anyone wanting a slack invite let me know an email address and i'll send you an invite:
19:40] klaranet (bot): 1₥ has been awarded to androidicus
[19:40] melvincarvalho: how much is missing from the foundation is my primary concern
[19:40] melvincarvalho: many people dontated
[19:43] androidicus: Personally; 250 BTM & 0.2 or 0.3 BTC (if I recall correctly) - _donations_ I would stress, not developer loans (edited)
[19:44] melvincarvalho: @androidicus: taking donations is worse, developer loans are expected as loans .. im not talking about development donations, someone reported just now that some of the BTM from the foundation are not there ... the explorer is down, this really needs to be clarified immediately
[19:45] androidicus: Oh - I was about to say that I am a way off having 'integrity' doubts... yet (edited)
[19:47] melvincarvalho: needs to be sorted out ASAP
[19:49] melvincarvalho: sometimes development doesnt go to plans, that happens
[19:49] melvincarvalho: sometimes loans dont get paid and need to wait a while
[19:49] melvincarvalho: that's one thing
[19:49] melvincarvalho: it's another to use funds that have been set aside for another purpose
[19:49] melvincarvalho: if that's happened
[19:52] amarha: to make sure everyone is on the same page wrt to the foundation funds, from what i know s11made noticed a transfer out a while back and brought it up with mark. then mark explained to s11made, myself, medic that he had swept the wrong private key, meaning to sweep his personal funds instead. and that his usb key was with one of his children who went away to school i believe. the original amount transferred out was 2500 and so far 1500 of that has been returned.
[19:53] amarha: so that's what i know about the situation
[19:53] amarha: should have been more transparent about it before
[19:54] melvincarvalho: @amarha: so 1000 BTM is still not accounted for? Is there a way we can see without the explorer there?
[19:54] androidicus:
http://www.blocktree.io/e/BTM[19:55] amarha: i didn't think much of it to be honest, i remember he had accidentally sent foundation funds before a while ago. but in hindsight i don't know why i didn't recommend that a post be made about the situation or anything.
[19:56] amarha:
http://bitmark.co:3000/address/bQmnzVS5M4bBdZqBTuHrjnzxHS6oSUz6cGBitmark (BTM) Block Explorer. View detailed information on all bitmark transactions and block. {{ $root.title + $root.titleDetail }}
[19:56] amarha: is back up
[19:56] amarha: yeah so there's 1000 BTM that's outstanding atm
[19:56] melvincarvalho: Total Sent 5172.88557296 BTC
[19:57] melvincarvalho: so what's the 5000?
[19:57] melvincarvalho: would you expect that normally to be 0?
[19:59] amarha: yeah, before it was the 1000. then i guess plus the 2500. and then there looks to be ~1600 or something that went out and then came back
[20:00] amarha: not sure. last thing i remember is the 2500 going out and then mark mentioning he returned 1500
[20:01] melvincarvalho: 6c912884490a9c441227ed031d2cb0fe092269522952a7d736c24f9cb9fb4e7e
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[20:01] melvincarvalho: 2500 out
[20:02] melvincarvalho: a23bb35c4123f718f233b41776b01cfbd4ec7087af309f638fc1372362c5c0ba
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[20:02] melvincarvalho: 1500 out
[20:02] melvincarvalho: 1 week later 1500 put back in
[20:03] melvincarvalho: then 1500 put back in 4th Jan
[20:03] amarha: yeah i don't know what happened there. perhaps the 1500 was already back in when s11made noticed the 2500. that's my guess as to why i don't know about it, as at the time the balance simply would have been whatever the full balance was supposed to be minus 2500 (edited)
[20:04] melvincarvalho: the problem for me is that in october btm was trading at 100k-200k and today it was trading at 4k
[20:05] amarha: yeah. to be fair it could have gone either way too. but i see what you're saying.
[20:06] melvincarvalho: so what now?
[20:07] melvincarvalho: anyone that donated has a right to know
[20:08] melvincarvalho: imho, the only honest thing to do is to immediately make this info public, on any public channel where donations were solicited, then give markp a chance to clear things up ...
[20:08] amarha: yeah i'll do that now. hopefully mark can get online at some point.
[20:09] melvincarvalho: im not the most diplomatic person :stuck_out_tongue: so maybe someone else should .. at least we brought it out here ...
[20:09] amarha: i'll make a post with this chat here as it covers what i know about the situation. there's not a lot i can say about it other than just the facts and then everyone can discuss it from there.
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[20:11] melvincarvalho: sure but it could be perfectly innocent, and he's not here right now to give his side of the story, so perhaps give some element of benefit of the doubt ... people can come here if they want to find out .. and it's 'only' 1000 BTM ... markp may have donated more than that himself, but I think we need clarity just in case
[20:13] melvincarvalho: wish he was here to explain :disappointed: