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Quote from: BitPistol.com on August 27, 2016, 10:40:10 AM

There is a picture of gun on the puzzle, it is certainly one given in conditions of puzzle, pretty sure it has automatic firearm mode, mby it is come kind of clue?

But most firearms of that type are not exclusively automatic. Generally they will have a semi-automatic/single shot fire mode as well. Tongue

Like a lot of puzzles, there will always be room for interpretation unless the puzzle is relatively simple and straightforward. However, in my opinion, it would make sense to take the simplest view, unless the puzzle stipulates otherwise, to avoid unnecessarily complicating things. eg. postulating about shatter proof glass etc.

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Quote from: actmyname on August 26, 2016, 07:06:21 PM

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

Don't be upset with the wrong answer! I liked your option and way of thinking most. I am pretty sure, that we were both playing CS and know that if you dont stop shooting bullets will go all the way to the top

That may be, but who's to say that in the example, one wasn't shooting with a non-automatic firearm? They could aim in different directions, after all.

There is a picture of gun on the puzzle, it is certainly one given in conditions of puzzle, pretty sure it has automatic firearm mode, mby it is come kind of clue?

Sure, but that's assuming that the gun in the picture is being used. It could be representative of a firearm, or it could just be a red herring. There was no real direct link between the firearm in the picture and the bullets that were shot.

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Quote from: actmyname on August 26, 2016, 07:06:21 PM

Quote from: BitPistol.com on August 26, 2016, 07:49:18 AM

Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

Don't be upset with the wrong answer! I liked your option and way of thinking most. I am pretty sure, that we were both playing CS and know that if you dont stop shooting bullets will go all the way to the top

That may be, but who's to say that in the example, one wasn't shooting with a non-automatic firearm? They could aim in different directions, after all.

There is a picture of gun on the puzzle, it is certainly one given in conditions of puzzle, pretty sure it has automatic firearm mode, mby it is come kind of clue?

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Quote from: BitPistol.com on August 26, 2016, 07:49:18 AM

Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

Don't be upset with the wrong answer! I liked your option and way of thinking most. I am pretty sure, that we were both playing CS and know that if you dont stop shooting bullets will go all the way to the top

That may be, but who's to say that in the example, one wasn't shooting with a non-automatic firearm? They could aim in different directions, after all.

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

Don't be upset with the wrong answer! I liked your option and way of thinking most. I am pretty sure, that we were both playing CS and know that if you dont stop shooting bullets will go all the way to the top

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

you are overthinking all of it and you are also wrong about it all.

it is all about Fracture Mechanics.
propagation of a crack in a brittle material to be exact. in general when a crack reaches a stop (here it is another crack) it stops unless there is more force which will shatter the glass.
so when the cracks which were started from 1 or 3 reach the pre-existing cracks of source 2 they stop.

you can read more about this in fracture mechanics part of Dieter's book

Finally, there is some simple explanation of this puzzle's correct answer Wink

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Quote from: BTCLovingDude on August 25, 2016, 06:36:31 AM

Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

you are overthinking all of it and you are also wrong about it all.

it is all about Fracture Mechanics.
propagation of a crack in a brittle material to be exact. in general when a crack reaches a stop (here it is another crack) it stops unless there is more force which will shatter the glass.
so when the cracks which were started from 1 or 3 reach the pre-existing cracks of source 2 they stop.

you can read more about this in fracture mechanics part of Dieter's book

hahah. you nailed it. i don't where he get his conclusion. but anyway i support the #2 bullet for best answer. i already read the fracture mechanics part of Dieter's book during my college days and it is clearly see in the picture that the cracks made by bullet 1 & 3 didn't ovelap or transverse in the crack made by bullet #2. The impact didn't transfer in that part because of discontinuity of material.

I think JasonXG gonna say again that i'm rude. Cheesy

peace brother, i'm just always carried away by your post. that's all

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

you are overthinking all of it and you are also wrong about it all.

it is all about Fracture Mechanics.
propagation of a crack in a brittle material to be exact. in general when a crack reaches a stop (here it is another crack) it stops unless there is more force which will shatter the glass.
so when the cracks which were started from 1 or 3 reach the pre-existing cracks of source 2 they stop.

you can read more about this in fracture mechanics part of Dieter's book

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ?

Did you read my explanation? It is all to do with the way the cracks in the glass have spread. If you follow the way the cracks spread from each hole, you can see that some of the cracks are "stopped" by other cracks... Logically, this means that the crack that STOPS the 2nd crack was already there.

The best example is the one going vertically up from #3. It looks like it runs into the crack from #2 (that is running, more or less, from left to right) and stops. Logically, this would mean the crack from #2 was already there, so hole #2 was made before #3.

The same happens with the little short crack from #1, travelling to the left... it is "stopped" by the crack coming down vertically from #2. Therefore, #2 was before #1. This means it must have been the first one, because it was before both #1 and #3.

You're reading WAY too much into the puzzle with your comments about bullet types and recoil etc. Tongue

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 22, 2016, 12:52:21 PM

How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

This is getting interesting, basically where i found it, answer wasn't given, but the most comments were for bullet #2. However your explanation will give this puzzle a fresh breath

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How do you know bullet 2 hit first ? I'm not convinced. If it was a stub nose or hallow tip you wouldn't know, the whole window would shatter. I think there will be more cracks then that. Most windows are shatter proof so they shatter like small spider webs all around the window. Either that or it shatters completely. That is why when someone breaks into a car you can't use a bat you need something with a small tip. Small tips with a lot of force behind it will shatter a shatter proof window. Without shatter proof the whole thing would just shatter from anything no matter wide or narrow. So a bat would shatter the whole window.

Also recoil climbs and goes side ways. Bullet number 1 looks like it would hot first then the recoils starts to climb. Bullets never ever go top to bottom .

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Seems to me like you'd want to go first... because at most, you get 3 attempts... and by going first there is always a chance you don't die on each one of your attempts, whereas by starting 2nd, you end up at 100% chance of death on your 3rd try... plus your odds are technically better for each one of your attempts if you are 1st...

1st attempt: Player A 1/6 die, Player B 2/6 die
2nd attempt: Player A 3/6 die, Player B 4/6 die
3rd attempt: Player A 5/6 die, Player B 6/6 die

Although, I'm not exactly sure that is a mathematically sound explanation... perhaps it is more of a "gut instinct" answer?? Huh

However, the reality is that for player B to shoot, it requires player A not to die. That would change the probability.

For example, for the first attempt:

There are

Player A dies: 1/6 chance
Player A lives, Player B lives: 5/9 chance
Player A lives, Player B dies: 5/18 chance

Following this, what I'd previously posted begins to flip the odds in B's favor (provided my math is correct) quickly. Right now it seems as if Player A is the better option: and it would be, if it was only one round.

Ok, here is one more puzzle for those who solved the probability cases, but now it is more physics:

QUESTION: What bullet hits glass first on the following image?

It would be #2 based on the cracks of the glass. Right? I don't see any other way it would make sense to me so it must be true Tongue

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It would definitely be bullet #2 that hit the glass first... followed by bullet #3 and last was bullet #1. The reasoning being that #2 doesn't have any cracks that are "stopped" by existing cracks, #3 only has a crack stopped by cracks from #2, and #1 has cracks that are stopped by both #2 and #3.

That was a pretty easy one compared to the maths involved with the probabilities of dying in games of Russian roulette Tongue

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Quote from: JasonXG on August 21, 2016, 12:58:25 PM

Why are people sending screenshots ? I thought that promo was over !? Huh

Or can I still participate ? Do I get rewarded fpr answering any of these questions ? I've read the op over and over and looked through the messages buy I still nothing of this screenshot promo. I only see people unloading but I'm not sure what for.

This promo is over for you, you was already rewarded, check 4 page of this post. You can participate in this promo only once. Questions are just mind games, nothing to do with promo action

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Why are people sending screenshots ? I thought that promo was over !? Huh

Or can I still participate ? Do I get rewarded fpr answering any of these questions ? I've read the op over and over and looked through the messages buy I still nothing of this screenshot promo. I only see people unloading but I'm not sure what for.

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Quote from: BitPistol.com on August 21, 2016, 09:33:41 AM

Quote from: actmyname on August 20, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: HCP on August 15, 2016, 06:24:59 AM

Seems to me like you'd want to go first... because at most, you get 3 attempts... and by going first there is always a chance you don't die on each one of your attempts, whereas by starting 2nd, you end up at 100% chance of death on your 3rd try... plus your odds are technically better for each one of your attempts if you are 1st...

1st attempt: Player A 1/6 die, Player B 2/6 die
2nd attempt: Player A 3/6 die, Player B 4/6 die
3rd attempt: Player A 5/6 die, Player B 6/6 die

Although, I'm not exactly sure that is a mathematically sound explanation... perhaps it is more of a "gut instinct" answer?? Huh

However, the reality is that for player B to shoot, it requires player A not to die. That would change the probability.

For example, for the first attempt:

There are

Player A dies: 1/6 chance
Player A lives, Player B lives: 5/9 chance
Player A lives, Player B dies: 5/18 chance

Following this, what I'd previously posted begins to flip the odds in B's favor (provided my math is correct) quickly. Right now it seems as if Player A is the better option: and it would be, if it was only one round.

Ok, here is one more puzzle for those who solved the probability cases, but now it is more physics:

QUESTION: What bullet hits glass first on the following image?

https://i.imgur.com/AJagSye.jpg

It would be #2 based on the cracks of the glass. Right? I don't see any other way it would make sense to me so it must be true Tongue

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Quote from: actmyname on August 20, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: HCP on August 15, 2016, 06:24:59 AM

Seems to me like you'd want to go first... because at most, you get 3 attempts... and by going first there is always a chance you don't die on each one of your attempts, whereas by starting 2nd, you end up at 100% chance of death on your 3rd try... plus your odds are technically better for each one of your attempts if you are 1st...

1st attempt: Player A 1/6 die, Player B 2/6 die
2nd attempt: Player A 3/6 die, Player B 4/6 die
3rd attempt: Player A 5/6 die, Player B 6/6 die

Although, I'm not exactly sure that is a mathematically sound explanation... perhaps it is more of a "gut instinct" answer?? Huh

However, the reality is that for player B to shoot, it requires player A not to die. That would change the probability.

For example, for the first attempt:

There are

Player A dies: 1/6 chance
Player A lives, Player B lives: 5/9 chance
Player A lives, Player B dies: 5/18 chance

Following this, what I'd previously posted begins to flip the odds in B's favor (provided my math is correct) quickly. Right now it seems as if Player A is the better option: and it would be, if it was only one round.

Ok, here is one more puzzle for those who solved the probability cases, but now it is more physics:

QUESTION: What bullet hits glass first on the following image?

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Quote from: HCP on August 13, 2016, 07:05:24 PM

Would it not be a pure 50/50 chance (ie. "fair") regardless of where you started?

There are an even number of chambers and 2 players, so each player will have 3 chambers that they could potentially use. Regardless of who goes first, each player has an equal number of chambers assigned to them, so after the spin, both players have an equal chance of having a bullet in one of their chambers.

And because you can't change which chambers you have (no spinning) the odds of getting a bullet overall don't change from 50/50.

That is correct answer! But we got a greater challenge for you:

This one is die hard. Imagine that you and your opponent start with 1 bullet loaded into the 6 slot. After each try you load one more bullet to the chamber, spin again and pass the pistol to your opponent.

QUESTION: Do you prefer to start as first, or shoot in second turn?

Going to try the thing I did last time. Tired so I'm probably wrong, rounded to first decimal.

R1: P1 has a 1/6 chance to die. (16.6%)
R2: 5/6 chance to happen, 2/6 chance to shoot, 10/36 -> P2 has a 5/18 chance to die. (27.7%)
R3: 5/9 chance to happen, 3/6 chance to shoot, 15/54 -> P1 has a 5/18 chance to die. (27.7%)
R4: 5/18 chance to happen, 4/6 chance to shoot, 20/108 -> P2 has a 5/27 chance to die. (18.5%)
R5: 5/54 chance to happen, 5/6 chance to shoot, 25/324 -> P1 has a 25/324 chance to die (7.7%)
R6: 5/324 chance to happen, 6/6 chance to shoot, 5/324 -> P2 has a 5/324 chance to die (1.5%)

Tallying up gives:

P1 has a ~52.2% chance of death
P2 has a ~47.8% chance of death

Probably wrong, maybe. Someone else can do this better than me.

Go second?

Hmm... Your calculations seem correct, and sum of percentages to die each round is 100%, looks like you solved it! Now if i stuck in such a challenge, i would go shooting second without hesitations, and for you, nutcracker, i will come up with some new puzzle shortly Cheesy

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Quote from: HCP on August 15, 2016, 06:24:59 AM

Seems to me like you'd want to go first... because at most, you get 3 attempts... and by going first there is always a chance you don't die on each one of your attempts, whereas by starting 2nd, you end up at 100% chance of death on your 3rd try... plus your odds are technically better for each one of your attempts if you are 1st...

1st attempt: Player A 1/6 die, Player B 2/6 die
2nd attempt: Player A 3/6 die, Player B 4/6 die
3rd attempt: Player A 5/6 die, Player B 6/6 die

Although, I'm not exactly sure that is a mathematically sound explanation... perhaps it is more of a "gut instinct" answer?? Huh

If i would to choose without calculating odds, then emotionally i picked second turn, as shooting with 2 and 4 bullets sounds for me less fatal then with 1 3 and 5 and i would be pretty sure that i wont have to shoot last 6 bullet turn Tongue

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Quote from: HCP on August 15, 2016, 06:24:59 AM

Seems to me like you'd want to go first... because at most, you get 3 attempts... and by going first there is always a chance you don't die on each one of your attempts, whereas by starting 2nd, you end up at 100% chance of death on your 3rd try... plus your odds are technically better for each one of your attempts if you are 1st...

1st attempt: Player A 1/6 die, Player B 2/6 die
2nd attempt: Player A 3/6 die, Player B 4/6 die
3rd attempt: Player A 5/6 die, Player B 6/6 die

Although, I'm not exactly sure that is a mathematically sound explanation... perhaps it is more of a "gut instinct" answer?? Huh

However, the reality is that for player B to shoot, it requires player A not to die. That would change the probability.

For example, for the first attempt:

There are

Player A dies: 1/6 chance
Player A lives, Player B lives: 5/9 chance
Player A lives, Player B dies: 5/18 chance

Following this, what I'd previously posted begins to flip the odds in B's favor (provided my math is correct) quickly. Right now it seems as if Player A is the better option: and it would be, if it was only one round.

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