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ama,
I haven't taken your criticism personally.  I think you bring up thoughtful points that should be addressed.
First of all, I'm not asking for pledges on the 1 or 3 btc games.  If I lose money, I'll discontinue it.  There's no reason for me to ask for pledges for low amounts.  Also, since there's a concern of "first man in," they'll be started at a random time in the evening to ensure nobody's waiting there for the round to start so they can put in huge amounts that block the progress of the game.
Second of all, it's easier to think of the pledgers as a part of the initial deposit for the 6btc round.  Yes, I'm greedy.  I want profit.  Doesn't everyone?  However, I don't intend to screw over all the players in my rounds because of it.  The idea of a pledge is, "I'd invest this much anyways, so I might as well tell the person starting the round.  I don't lose anything and he lowers his risk."

https://rapidshare.com/files/3589210497/PonziBot.zip

full source code for the ponzi bot.

if you work your way down into the debug / bin folder, there is an addresses.txt file. place your receiving addresses in their before starting the bot.

It uses your mt gox account to send coins. dont have one, dont use this bot.

when you launch the bot, it reads in the games from the API. Select a game from the box on the top left by clicking on the row header on the left side of the box. if you did it right, you will see a list of deposits in the box below.

from there, hit the ponzi button. it changes to running to let you know its working.

be careful with this.  if a bot is placed against another bot, your wallet will go dry. it checks every 90 seconds for a new deposit. if it was not any of the ones you have listed in addresses.txt, it places a bet.

enjoy, and dont cry to me when your wallet is empty.

I don't think so as long as you agree with a bunch of people before hand on the amount they have to deposit (after your second deposit) to make sure you get your profit.  "Players" have to pay those people before they start getting paid.

I'm sorry, it's nothing personal, but I really think the Bitponzi site needs to see your prearranged "games" gone for good if it wants to be a real game.

ama, I don't know what you're talking about.  Shouldn't lower initial deposits allow the players to get paid?

I think I already answered that question (not sure if in a post or a PM).  I don't like absolutey any pre-agreed "game".  They are not games, but investments for the proponent (second deposit after a tiny one to still the fees from the house) to take the money from the players.  I only participate (and have a lot of fun) on honest games were the host also plays and risks.  Sorry.

Fortunately it seems that despite the server malfunction ending the rounds, new deposits are being accepted and handled properly.  I'm glad to see the InfiniteBitponzi game surviving.    

Oh ok, makes sense once you view it like that.
How do you like my proposals of smaller initial deposits?  I've proposed 6,3,1 daily. 
Sorry, the larger games were tailored to the demands of the bitcoinduit market, which was much larger.  People actually used to get paid out.  I'm sorry that has not happened, and I'll be discontinuing the daily massive series in favor of smaller ones.  There will still be daily series with large jackpots though (just smaller initials), and you will actually get paid

I (and others) have stated it several times already.  Even without bots most participants have 0 chance to get anything out of the game (neither get paid, nor win the jackpot -only one person can get it-, nor have any fun planing or trying to deploy a game strategy).  It's like playing a lottery (the only prize is the jackpot) paying a huge tax (the payment for your second huge deposit).  There is no game.  There is no fun.

Hi ama,
runlinux has agreed to take his bots off my games.  What's wrong with them now?  I was formerly under the impression that high initial deposits were fine... look at bitcoinduit's rounds, is all I can say.  Look at MASSIVEJACKPOT (on BitPonzi).  Those were fine.  In fact, the entire daily massive series was doing very well before bots.

Three more rounds are about to finish within the next couple of hours.  What a pity to see nice rounds like the InfiniteBitponzi, with 31 deposits, die because of that.   

Four games are already past their due time, included the massive one, being the first one past almost two hours, and the massive game almost one hour.  Speaking about the massive games, at first I was totally at margin from them, but I was asked for my opinion, and there has been so much discussion going on that well, let's keep going.

The nice thing about this site is that, even though it's based on a ponzi scheme, it can be consider a game (as I see it), because players can see what others are depositing and stimate the chance of getting paid for a deposit, there is a jackpot which they can try to get, so it's not just about taken their money from them, but about letting them risk it in exchange of the chance of making a profit.  The massive games take away all this from the game, making it a real ponzi scheme where the objective is take away the money from the fooled "players" (they think they play, but they don't have a chance to gain anything).

For a number of rounds people were fooled by the impressive large jackpots (an illussion, since they were stolen from them by the bots) and the profit made by the huge first deposits was growing game after game, until propossing things like more than 20 coins deposited driven by greed to increase the profit of the first deposits, not to make a nicer jackpot for the "players".  If that had been the case, as it is in other games, instead of a huge first deposit, several smaller ones along the game could be made (the Forever_Game promisses to reinvest the profit to get more people paid; the Mini_Ponzi promisses to deposit the same amount every time he gets paid -he makes profit, but takes the risk of not getting paid once, etc.), or a larger deposit after some time (maybe the first period of the game, 6 hours, or 3 or whatever the game is supossed to last), so that a few people get paid by it.

Then, asking for the bots to be prevented of getting in early (before the huge second deposit) but allowed later was the last resource to make sure everybody was totally screwed and all their coins stollen from them, part of it as the payment for the second deposit, and the rest by the bot getting the jackpots.  Why not make a single initial deposit and don't risk letting somene to make the second deposit and ask for the bots to be banned until the second deposit?  Easy enough, to also take advantag of the guy running the site by avoiding paying him the fee of the first deposit.

If I was running the site, I would apply the same fee to the second, third, etc. deposits if they were made by the same person (same address) or if they were made very soon after the first one and their amount were huge in comparison to the first deposit.  That would be fair with the person running the site, I think.  If somebody wants to make an initial 20 coins deposit that's fine, but he should pay the fee for it.

I apologize if this message sounds too harsh, but as I said at the begining, I didn't want to give my opinion but I was directly asked (both in public and by PM), and also driven by the discussion in this thread also.  And well, once started... in for a penny, in for a pound.

I already emptied my wallet once on a massive.  It wan't happen to me again.  

vhrodu96 past 1 hour, King_of_Jackpot past 5 minutes.  It'd be good to know how long that new extenssion will last.  It's getting late and I could go to sleep and look at the rounds I'm interested into and are near to end, tomorrow morning.   

Sorry about the 8 BTC; it was supposed to be smaller.  Also, for the record:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.502796
edit: ama, if you don't think it is going to get any more deposits, here's your chance to make a profit!
Deposit 1 btc and get out 2.25!

I think 8 BTC deposited before people get a chance to know the game is running is big enough for people not to play.  It is for me at least, and I think it should be for any sensible people, regardless of how big the jackpot is.

Over 15 minutes (-0.25 hours) past ending time for vhrodu96.   If it last many hours, maybe it helps the massive to get someone else into it, although I don't see anybody paying for the 8 predeposited coins.

Not really... they only didn't work because of a lack of enough players.  The truth is that massive games can be successful without unaware people (see bitcoinduit).  High jackpots should always encourage betting, with no bots around.  Today's midsized jackpot round isn't even that big!

As we discussed yesterday, new un aware people are needed for the massive games to be successful.  People who have seen them working a few times have learnt and already know better and won't play.

Is the server malfunctioning again?  http://old.bitponzi.net/Round_vhrodu96.aspx  is at -0.08 hours, that's almost five minutes past its due time, isn't it?

btw, no bot on this guys. its pointless now anyways...

First iteration of the DAILY MID JACKPOT!
http://old.bitponzi.net/Round_DAILYMIDJACKPOT1.aspx
It's only got 8btc in right now.  Initial deposit was only 3btc.

Anyone up for a 6btc "massive" today?  It isn't going to be that big so you will get paid this time.