Well, they are at it again and again and again. The only thing they seem to be consistent in is trying to pilfer more money off their delusional base.
They asked for $45K in cash to implement "stealth transfers" in BTS 2.0. Some poor schmuck over there decided he would give them $45K of his own money if he could recoup it in stealth transfer fee. (Although I suspect it may be a rouse. They have some "plant" offer up his money in hopes that it "inspires" the people with actual money to hand it over.)
Now they are asking for $70K per month, PER MONTH to finish the decentralized exchange. For those of you who don't know Bitshares was sold as a decentralized exchange over two years ago to original investors who gave them Millions of dollars. They are now holding the original idea hostage to get more money. These fucking guys are amazing.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20827.0.html
Topic: BitShares scam2.0, Still scamming - page 6. (Read 12188 times)
We have spent far more on BitShares than we raised, but we finally achieved our goal - like you said, "as promised from the beginning":
BitShares has been turned over to its owners who are free to explore all sorts of exciting new ways to grow their business. We are still available to provide support, but they make the decisions about what gets done. Two other companies have announced their availability as developers so BitShares is no longer dependent only on us. That means we can be fired if the owners aren't happy.
There are now several ways BitShares the Unmanned Company can raise funds to keep adding polish and features:
1. The referral program encourages entrepreneurs to add features that attract new users. Entrepreneurs who use this method are eligible to keep 80% of the revenues from the new users they bring in. The business they grow is the business they own - and for this the BitSharesholders charge 20% for maintaining the world's most cost effective blockchain platform.
2. The new Fee Backed Assets allow an entrepreneur to add a new feature and have 80% of its fees automatically routed to them and/or to the folks who paid for it's development. The other 20%, once again, go to the BitSharesholders' Reserve Pool (i.e. the company savings account). Fee Backed Assets then trade like any other asset, giving their holders a share of the revenue earned by the feature(s) they helped to build.
3. If there is a feature everyone wants for the General Good, BitSharesholders can vote to take it out of a blockchain-controlled Reserve Pool. All blockchain revenue goes into this pool (and out of circulation) increasing the value of the remaining shares. So far, this pool of savings has been growing since 2.0 was released, meaning the BitShares is now a profitable enterprise.
Just like we planned from the beginning.
BitShares has been turned over to its owners who are free to explore all sorts of exciting new ways to grow their business. We are still available to provide support, but they make the decisions about what gets done. Two other companies have announced their availability as developers so BitShares is no longer dependent only on us. That means we can be fired if the owners aren't happy.
There are now several ways BitShares the Unmanned Company can raise funds to keep adding polish and features:
1. The referral program encourages entrepreneurs to add features that attract new users. Entrepreneurs who use this method are eligible to keep 80% of the revenues from the new users they bring in. The business they grow is the business they own - and for this the BitSharesholders charge 20% for maintaining the world's most cost effective blockchain platform.
2. The new Fee Backed Assets allow an entrepreneur to add a new feature and have 80% of its fees automatically routed to them and/or to the folks who paid for it's development. The other 20%, once again, go to the BitSharesholders' Reserve Pool (i.e. the company savings account). Fee Backed Assets then trade like any other asset, giving their holders a share of the revenue earned by the feature(s) they helped to build.
3. If there is a feature everyone wants for the General Good, BitSharesholders can vote to take it out of a blockchain-controlled Reserve Pool. All blockchain revenue goes into this pool (and out of circulation) increasing the value of the remaining shares. So far, this pool of savings has been growing since 2.0 was released, meaning the BitShares is now a profitable enterprise.
Just like we planned from the beginning.
This was most likely during a time when they weren't particularly intending on scamming.
They planned it from the beginning. They always planned it from the beginning.
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This just in........................
They already took MILLIONS of dollars from users and promised to deliver a product for those Users.
Remember, they were the ones that cut off BTS investment to begin with on Feb 28th 2014. They were the ones who stopped collecting AGS. They did that because they collected a shit ton of BTC and PTS that would more than cover what they were trying to do. This was most likely during a time when they weren't particularly intending on scamming. Once they saw the money, cha-ching, they spent it flying across the country and to the Caribbean and realized they
"Now if that's a fact, tell me, am I lying?"
At this point the last thing you can call Bitshares is communist.
The new idea over there is to divide the value proposition Bitshares brings to the table into different pieces and auction them off the highest bidder. Looks like most of the community is getting behind it.
This project has real potential to subvert TPTB and their economic stranglehold, but instead seems to be trying to emulate them.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20205
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20207.0/all.html
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20286.0/all.html
I am supremely disappointed. If there's a dire need for funding I would gladly take dilution over this any day of the week. It's still a cool project for what it is though.
The new idea over there is to divide the value proposition Bitshares brings to the table into different pieces and auction them off the highest bidder. Looks like most of the community is getting behind it.
This project has real potential to subvert TPTB and their economic stranglehold, but instead seems to be trying to emulate them.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20205
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20207.0/all.html
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20286.0/all.html
I am supremely disappointed. If there's a dire need for funding I would gladly take dilution over this any day of the week. It's still a cool project for what it is though.
Well, the nice thing is that many new options are being discussed and everyone is contributing to the gene pool of ideas.
How can you be disappointed about new entrepreneurs using the flexibility of BitShares to explore new business models - ways to get new features funded that otherwise would not be funded and ways for small players (investors and developers) to make their own contributions and be rewarded for it?
Are you suggesting that some Central Power ought to be stomping out all this renaissance of innovation?
At this point the last thing you can call Bitshares is communist.
The new idea over there is to divide the value proposition Bitshares brings to the table into different pieces and auction them off the highest bidder. Looks like most of the community is getting behind it.
This project has real potential to subvert TPTB and their economic stranglehold, but instead seems to be trying to emulate them.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20205
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20207.0/all.html
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20286.0/all.html
I am supremely disappointed. If there's a dire need for funding I would gladly take dilution over this any day of the week. It's still a cool project for what it is though.
The new idea over there is to divide the value proposition Bitshares brings to the table into different pieces and auction them off the highest bidder. Looks like most of the community is getting behind it.
This project has real potential to subvert TPTB and their economic stranglehold, but instead seems to be trying to emulate them.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20205
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20207.0/all.html
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,20286.0/all.html
I am supremely disappointed. If there's a dire need for funding I would gladly take dilution over this any day of the week. It's still a cool project for what it is though.
Double Fucking Whammy
Hell yeah
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Hell yeah
J
We need that awesome Sham Wow meme for bitshares here.
J
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@stannyboy
Pleaze continue with the history lesson: What happened next? after protoshares was launched..
Invictus Innovations was founded as a Virginia C-corporation on the Fourth of July, 2013 by Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson. I did the paperwork.
We offered a bounty for someone to implement a memory-hard coin to use as novel surrogate for BitShares which Dan was focusing his attention on. FreeTrade delivered on that bounty and Super3 launched ProtoShares on Nov 5th 2013 - Guy Fawkes Day.
The entire history is free to be examined from that date forward in the archives at bitsharestalk.org.
Pleaze continue with the history lesson: What happened next? after protoshares was launched..
Oh you want facts Larimer ?
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was founded as a Virginia C-corporation on the Fourth of July, 2013 by Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson. I did the paperwork.
We offered a bounty for someone to implement a memory-hard coin to use as novel surrogate for BitShares which Dan was focusing his attention on. FreeTrade delivered on that bounty and Super3 launched ProtoShares on Nov 5th 2013 - Guy Fawkes Day.
The entire history is free to be examined from that date forward in the archives at bitsharestalk.org.
Oh you want facts Larimer ?
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was founded as a Virginia C-corporation on the Fourth of July, 2013 by Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson. I did the paperwork.
We offered a bounty for someone to implement a memory-hard coin to use as novel surrogate for BitShares which Dan was focusing his attention on. FreeTrade delivered on that bounty and Super3 launched ProtoShares on Nov 5th 2013 - Guy Fawkes Day.
The entire history is free to be examined from that date forward in the archives at bitsharestalk.org.
Read what i said.
He claimed it was his coin when his bad track record was brought up.
Then pulled that company name out of his ass.
I don't care if you pre-registered it in advance of your coin antics.
As far as i am concerned your a noob.
What were you doing here when i registered ?
I don't care what you think or what BS you want to spin with what ever scheme your pushing now.
Don't patronize us.
Many of us have been watching your bullshit quietly for a couple years now.
Trust me when i say my Grandfather used to say "Every dog has his day"
Want to see the leaders of Crypto v3 ?
look in Off-Topic.. they are padding up their post counts right now !
That section is s circle jerk of name hopping dummy accounts.. the farming of players in the minor league
before they show up in Altmain crying FUD+TROLL over XYZ shitcoin.
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/452
Bitshares devs are now asking for $45,000 to implement stealth transfers. They are now holding the new chain hostage by refusing to actually finish the product without getting paid. I hate to say it, but I told you this would happen. Every few months they are pivoting the project in someway to put mor money in their pockets. The killed an unfinished BTSX to create BTS 1.0. They killed an unfinished BTS 1.0 to create BTS 2.0. They are now refusing to finish 2.0 without compensation.
Let's not forget all the compensation they received so far and all the accumulated shares they have. With all their shares, they should have enough incentive to finish the product. Perhaps this is a testament to how they actually feel about their own project and the future viability.
Bitshares devs are now asking for $45,000 to implement stealth transfers. They are now holding the new chain hostage by refusing to actually finish the product without getting paid. I hate to say it, but I told you this would happen. Every few months they are pivoting the project in someway to put mor money in their pockets. The killed an unfinished BTSX to create BTS 1.0. They killed an unfinished BTS 1.0 to create BTS 2.0. They are now refusing to finish 2.0 without compensation.
Let's not forget all the compensation they received so far and all the accumulated shares they have. With all their shares, they should have enough incentive to finish the product. Perhaps this is a testament to how they actually feel about their own project and the future viability.
Think bigger
This shows that BitShares holders are willing to pay to grow the ecosystem. Crpyto dev's will take notice and want to get paid by a blockchain via a work proposal or crowd funded user issued asset. Cryptonomex has stated they do not have the bandwidth to do everything, thus this opens the door for other dev's!
Oh you want facts Larimer ?
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was founded as a Virginia C-corporation on the Fourth of July, 2013 by Dan Larimer and Charles Hoskinson. I did the paperwork.
We offered a bounty for someone to implement a memory-hard coin to use as novel surrogate for BitShares which Dan was focusing his attention on. FreeTrade delivered on that bounty and Super3 launched ProtoShares on Nov 5th 2013 - Guy Fawkes Day.
The entire history is free to be examined from that date forward in the archives at bitsharestalk.org.
Oh you want facts Larimer ?
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
Invictus Innovations was made up on the fly when i confointed FreeTrade about MemoryCoin on the PTS ANN topic.
Once i put it on him way back he started crying Troll and FUD then after a couple days
he randomly out of the blue edited the topic ANN title to say "MADE BY INVICTUS.."
Before i cornered the fucker he was claiming it was his coin.
There was no trace of Invictus anything anywhere before i confronted that scammy fucker.
weazle.. scammer.. i called it on day ONE !
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/452
Bitshares devs are now asking for $45,000 to implement stealth transfers. They are now holding the new chain hostage by refusing to actually finish the product without getting paid. I hate to say it, but I told you this would happen. Every few months they are pivoting the project in someway to put mor money in their pockets. The killed an unfinished BTSX to create BTS 1.0. They killed an unfinished BTS 1.0 to create BTS 2.0. They are now refusing to finish 2.0 without compensation.
Let's not forget all the compensation they received so far and all the accumulated shares they have. With all their shares, they should have enough incentive to finish the product. Perhaps this is a testament to how they actually feel about their own project and the future viability.
Bitshares devs are now asking for $45,000 to implement stealth transfers. They are now holding the new chain hostage by refusing to actually finish the product without getting paid. I hate to say it, but I told you this would happen. Every few months they are pivoting the project in someway to put mor money in their pockets. The killed an unfinished BTSX to create BTS 1.0. They killed an unfinished BTS 1.0 to create BTS 2.0. They are now refusing to finish 2.0 without compensation.
Let's not forget all the compensation they received so far and all the accumulated shares they have. With all their shares, they should have enough incentive to finish the product. Perhaps this is a testament to how they actually feel about their own project and the future viability.
I wondered what happened to Newmine.
Haven't seen any of her fiendishly clever disinformation for months.
Unfortunately for this story, you can see the excitement going on right now over at BitShares about the new funding opportunities for non-Cryptonomex developers to get involved and participate in adding new features.
Wildcatters Wanted
All of BitShares 2.0 was developed under Cryptonomex private resources and gifted as a free upgrade to the BitShares community.
Everything listed under "Unimplemented Graphene Features" has been implemented and is available now in Graphene. Just not in the UI. This is strategically intentional to leave the door open for others with GUI skills to participate in fleshing out the system while Cryptonomex handles the specialty back end functionality that we are uniquely suited to do.
BitShares is free to hire anybody the shareholders want (including us) to grow the current features set, while we use our own resources to work behind the scenes on the next generation of enabling technology - which they will also get for free when the time comes. It's what we do.
And what's really cool is, now we have outside investors bringing real money to the table to build their for-profit applications on the BitShares platform - bringing us nearer and nearer to our 2-year old quest to make BitShares independent of its proud parents.
Nice try, Newmine.
https://github.com/cryptonomex/graphene/issues/452
Bitshares devs are now asking for $45,000 to implement stealth transfers. They are now holding the new chain hostage by refusing to actually finish the product without getting paid. I hate to say it, but I told you this would happen. Every few months they are pivoting the project in someway to put mor money in their pockets. The killed an unfinished BTSX to create BTS 1.0. They killed an unfinished BTS 1.0 to create BTS 2.0. They are now refusing to finish 2.0 without compensation.
Let's not forget all the compensation they received so far and all the accumulated shares they have. With all their shares, they should have enough incentive to finish the product. Perhaps this is a testament to how they actually feel about their own project and the future viability.
Bitshares devs are now asking for $45,000 to implement stealth transfers. They are now holding the new chain hostage by refusing to actually finish the product without getting paid. I hate to say it, but I told you this would happen. Every few months they are pivoting the project in someway to put mor money in their pockets. The killed an unfinished BTSX to create BTS 1.0. They killed an unfinished BTS 1.0 to create BTS 2.0. They are now refusing to finish 2.0 without compensation.
Let's not forget all the compensation they received so far and all the accumulated shares they have. With all their shares, they should have enough incentive to finish the product. Perhaps this is a testament to how they actually feel about their own project and the future viability.
I like it when you play it dump newmine, too many assumptions you make and they are all wrong, nice try though.
You call $500 per month fulltime? lol
Fud all you want, Graphene is a nuke newmine and you will be nuked, get used to it. I don't know if your fuding attemps have any impact on your trading profits but long term there is no impact, if you think that in an era dominated by horses you can stop car adoption you are delutional.
It would be a good start to "expose" your true name and identity first.
You call $500 per month fulltime? lol
Fud all you want, Graphene is a nuke newmine and you will be nuked, get used to it. I don't know if your fuding attemps have any impact on your trading profits but long term there is no impact, if you think that in an era dominated by horses you can stop car adoption you are delutional.
I have been talking to another guy who was burned who has connections and we will expose these fraudsters for who they are and everything will remain in the public domain.
It would be a good start to "expose" your true name and identity first.
blah blah blah...
nonsense
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more nonsense
Dear Newmine, if you believe that the devs should work for free then you should probably go all in in coins like AuroraCoin, SpainCoin, GreeceCoin, SaveThePlanetCoin, SaveTheChildrenCoin etc... you have a list of more than 580 to choose from, good luck with that! On another point, I would like to inform you that sometimes in my spare time and mostly on weekends I like to play football(soccer), also I know lots of people that do the same, on the other hand there are some guys that also play football on a professional level and they are actually geting paid for it! can you believe this! SHAME ON THEM!!! Please go and buy/invest in coins where their devs code in their free time on weekends, I will stick with the full time professionals.
Would it please you to see graphene being used by ripple? (yes, I'm talking about those coinmarketcap cheaters) I think not. (You don't work for ripple, do you?) Graphene is not a toy, it's a nuke, delivering it to the bankers is stupid, please tell me that your mission is not to make us surrender our best weapon to the enemy.
I'm sorry to tell you this but our donation funds were not unlimited, we got so far with them and the last months we could barely afford bug fixing, now the devs found a better way to keep us going but this made you unhappy, I wonder why....(bad timing I guess? you had just sold at 8m marketcap? lol)
As for your example with Ford, it's as stupid as it can get, software development takes time, money, and patience https://youtu.be/sBMmbHw8Ha4?t=29s but all you care about is waves, lots of waves, up and downs in price so you can profit from trading, obviously every crypto-trader's moto is "I will either find a
If by any chance you are not a trader I can think only of one alternative scenario...
You're reaching. There is a reason so many longtime fanboys have changed their opinions of the project and quite a few who have left. The only people left pumping this gold nugget that has been turned to shit repeatedly is you,the juvenile with a couple K in BTS waiting on a lotto ticket scenario, the people who spent their life savings buying more shares than they should with the same lotto hopes, and then the people cashing in on BTS daily as a delegate who does nothing.
The Devs shouldn't work for free. They actually should have a real job and do this shit in their free time as a hobby with potential to make them retire with their huge accumulated stake.
Did you ever ask yourself or the Devs, how they were able to create Graphene, the superior Chain while at the same time working on Bitshares 1.0? I mean the Devs were working full time for Bitshares, but they created something better in their spare time. Something hey couldn't do for Bitshares, work on it and make it great like the supposed Graphene?
Cryptonomex used Bitshares funding to create their proprietary software to skirt securities laws to gather funds. I am suspect that this was their plan for a long time now. There was no way anyone would've funded them and gave them the amount if money they got from AGS at the time to create a crypto project. Hey came up with the crowd funding idea and figured they would dissolve I3 and make a new Corp to retain all the IP AGS funds paid for.
I have been talking to another guy who was burned who has connections and we will expose these fraudsters for who they are and everything will remain in the public domain.
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