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Topic: BitStone (BST) -GemStones 4 Sale With BST - BTC MINERS FOR BST [OLD and LOCKED] - page 18. (Read 55593 times)
December 05, 2015, 03:07:27 PM
December 05, 2015, 03:01:32 PM
Please remove that info about Van McMinn.
I just personally spoke to him on this phone and he assures me that he has nothing to do with this project other than appraising some stones for someone who in the past mentioned cryptocurrency. Call him for yourself and see if you want, however, I'm convinced he is NOT part of this scam.
I just personally spoke to him on this phone and he assures me that he has nothing to do with this project other than appraising some stones for someone who in the past mentioned cryptocurrency. Call him for yourself and see if you want, however, I'm convinced he is NOT part of this scam.
That is very interesting information. Thanks NextGenCrypto.
Interesting how BitStoneDev acted as if Mr. McMinn was part of the team. That is a little misleading imo.
December 05, 2015, 02:46:18 PM
Please remove that info about Van McMinn.
I just personally spoke to him on this phone and he assures me that he has nothing to do with this project other than appraising some stones for someone who in the past mentioned cryptocurrency. Call him for yourself and see if you want, however, I'm convinced he is NOT part of this scam.
I just personally spoke to him on this phone and he assures me that he has nothing to do with this project other than appraising some stones for someone who in the past mentioned cryptocurrency. Call him for yourself and see if you want, however, I'm convinced he is NOT part of this scam.
December 05, 2015, 02:31:53 PM
December 05, 2015, 02:22:13 PM
I wonder if the BitStone team has turned on their 3 Avalon miners to contribute .08 BTC per day for buy support, yet. At the current market price, that's about 100 - 150 coins a day. I'm sure that massive buy support is going to send this coin to the moon soon. 
It looks like buys are slowly rolling in too.
December 05, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
December 05, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
I wonder if the BitStone team has turned on their 3 Avalon miners to contribute .08 BTC per day for buy support, yet. At the current market price, that's about 100 - 150 coins a day. I'm sure that massive buy support is going to send this coin to the moon soon.
December 05, 2015, 01:43:27 PM
I see Paul Revere is back and is posting more worthless information. I am pretty sure his research skills are inadequate. I will point some things out for people and unlike Paul I will not repost it 3-5 times.
- Paul Revere must repost the same thing multiple times because his info is weak.
- He is great at digging up unimportant info like his find with Mr. McMinn. I am sure that info was posted on a previous thread and has not been posted on this thread. Of course he has no REAL info about this coin to prove any of his theories and needs to dig up old info and MISREPRESENT it like he is so famous for doing.
- Paul fails to admit that his HERO Suchmoon that he faithfully follows got his ass kicked last night on the GAW thread. It was great to witness it unfolding, here are the highlight of that exchange
Suchmoon was asked if he had ever been a GAW Fanboy
Suchmoon stated emphatically he had never been a GAW Fanboy
A document was revealed that showed suchmoon was not only a GAW Fanboy but was actually defending GAW
It was proven that Suchmoon is a liar
So Now Paul Revere must try and vindicate his leader.
See you guys later, I am off to the GAW thread.
- Paul Revere must repost the same thing multiple times because his info is weak.
- He is great at digging up unimportant info like his find with Mr. McMinn. I am sure that info was posted on a previous thread and has not been posted on this thread. Of course he has no REAL info about this coin to prove any of his theories and needs to dig up old info and MISREPRESENT it like he is so famous for doing.
- Paul fails to admit that his HERO Suchmoon that he faithfully follows got his ass kicked last night on the GAW thread. It was great to witness it unfolding, here are the highlight of that exchange
Suchmoon was asked if he had ever been a GAW Fanboy
Suchmoon stated emphatically he had never been a GAW Fanboy
A document was revealed that showed suchmoon was not only a GAW Fanboy but was actually defending GAW
It was proven that Suchmoon is a liar
So Now Paul Revere must try and vindicate his leader.
See you guys later, I am off to the GAW thread.
December 05, 2015, 01:32:17 PM
I want to thank my new hero Wheellocks for the info for the previous post, a "True Patriot" that shows how to bring down scam artists without needing to bully people and insult them.
eh, youre a bigger douche bag than he is.
the 3 of you are pathetic. couldnt get the scam moving so now its turned to a troll off.
December 05, 2015, 12:18:23 PM
so what new for today ? besides the 20 pages since yesterday! lol
I am trying to get some answers from Bitstone dev Van McMinn about his opinion of the value of the various bait items being used to lure people into buying Bitstones, which I heve been assured is not a Matrix type of Pyramid Fraud Scheme very similar to Gemcoin, even though it appears very similar.I can't seem to get an answer from any devs at all concerning any questions I have about Bitstones, so I guess I just have to keep asking. According to Van Micminn's site for his business Van McMinn Jewelry Appraisals, he is a highly qualified and reputable Jewelry Appraiser, so I would like to get his opinion about the items being offered for crazy low prices with Bitstones. His bio is impressive:
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Van has been employed as a salesman, manager, buyer, designer and/or appraiser in the retail jewelry business since April 1981. He graduated from Columbia Military Academy in Columbia, Tennessee and Vanderbilt University with a B.A. in History and earned the Graduate Gemologist Diploma from the Gemological Institute of America in 1997. His gemological training has been furthered by GIA-conducted advanced gemology classes including “Detecting Synthetic Diamonds” and “Pearl Grading.” Through continuing education, examination and peer review of his work, he has become a Certified Member of the National Association of Jewelry Appraisers. In March 2007 he completed classroom training and testing which earned the designation Certified Insurance Appraiser™ by the Jewelry Insurance Appraisal Institute; he also serves as member of the Board of Directors of the Middle Tennessee chapter of the GIA Alumni Association. Since November 1999, he has worked full-time as an independent jewelry appraiser.
Sure sounds impressive. He is even a member of NAJA, the National Association of Jewelery Appraisers. I wonder if Mr. Van MicMinn is going to wrangle some sort of certification for Bitstones with the National Association of Jewelry Appraisers. That would be totally awesome. I am sure they would be honored to have their name stamped on this operation which is totally not a Matrix type of Pyramid Fraud Scheme like Gemcoin.Maybe someone can ask them if Van McMinn has been working with them to certify Bitstones? When this goes big, the NAJA is going to be so glad that Van McMinn got them on board. Unfortunately, there seems to be no devs around after last nights marathon rage session. Perhaps one of you gentlemen would be so kind as to give him a call at his Van McMinn Jewelry Appraisals office @ (615) 397-5603 and have him come by BCT and take his turn at the cannons defending what appears to be a blatant scam? Those shills from last night must be bewwy bewy tiwed di mornin after that marathon rage session last night. While he is here manning an ack ack gun with a sock puppet account ,shooting down all those pesky posters who have questions, maybe he can give us the answers about Bitstone that Keith can't seem to come up with as well.
December 05, 2015, 12:14:17 PM
HFS
Don't waste your money. Find your article's value yourself.
GOLD PRICE CALCULATOR http://www.goldcalc.com/
http://www.pricescope.com/diamond-prices#diamond-price-guidelines
I've worked in the markets in the past. Jewelry is a standard 400% minimum markup, although it can be as high as 4,000%. Normally, around 800% is common for low end stores. Jared's Jewelers is where you would find the gross markup of 4,000%. I've seen them go as high as 12,000% on a diamond ring. It's sick really. People think they are getting a good deal, then when the item is appraised by a third party, they let them know their $12,000 ring is worth around $1,000-$1,200 'melt/scrap' value. This would be the offer a jewelry store or precious metals purchaser would offer you.
A diamond tester can be had for $15 or less on eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/291504599692?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
The same is true for a Gold/Silver test kit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/310825248614?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
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Fee Schedule
Per piece
$100 First item
$75 Each additional item
$20 per plotting diagram, which is a hand-drawn description of the internal and external characteristics of a diamond. It is required by ethical rules on all diamonds one carat and larger.
Each appraisal is charged at the same rate, regardless of the type, complexity or value of the piece.
Hourly
$200 per hour for estate work, with a $50 minimum. This rate is charged only for exam time but includes all research and document preparation.
Additional Services
Consultations, gemstone identification or authentication services are offered at a rate of $60 per hour.
Updates to previously issued appraisals are performed for a flat fee of $35 each.
Reprints of previously issued appraisal reports (excluding plotting diagrams) can be made for $5 each.
Per piece
$100 First item
$75 Each additional item
$20 per plotting diagram, which is a hand-drawn description of the internal and external characteristics of a diamond. It is required by ethical rules on all diamonds one carat and larger.
Each appraisal is charged at the same rate, regardless of the type, complexity or value of the piece.
Hourly
$200 per hour for estate work, with a $50 minimum. This rate is charged only for exam time but includes all research and document preparation.
Additional Services
Consultations, gemstone identification or authentication services are offered at a rate of $60 per hour.
Updates to previously issued appraisals are performed for a flat fee of $35 each.
Reprints of previously issued appraisal reports (excluding plotting diagrams) can be made for $5 each.
Don't waste your money. Find your article's value yourself.
GOLD PRICE CALCULATOR http://www.goldcalc.com/
http://www.pricescope.com/diamond-prices#diamond-price-guidelines
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Diamond Price Guidelines: How Diamonds Are Priced
Diamond prices are impacted by the usual dynamics of supply and demand. Simply put, availability and rarity will drive prices higher.
Quality factors will also dramatically impact the price of a particular diamond. These factors are often referred to as “The 4 C’s:” carat, cut, clarity and color. Learn more about The 4 C’s here.
Diamond prices start to increase exponentially as you go up in carat weight and hit the "magic" carat weights such as .5 carat, 0.75 carat and 1 carat.
Shape, which is different than cut, is another pricing factor. For example, round shaped diamonds typically cost more. Read our tutorial about diamond shapes here.
Diamond prices have been historically priced on a per carat bases. It is still common in brick and mortars and business-to-business transactions. For example: a 0.75-carat (also know as a 75 pointer) priced at $4000 per carat, would cost $3000 ($4000 x 0.75= $3000). As more consumers are using the Internet to educate themselves about diamonds and make purchases, diamond prices are starting to reflect the total diamond price for simplicity and clarity.
Diamonds are typically graded by one of three prominent gem labs: GIA, AGS or EGL. These labs may grade the same diamond differently, which could create a significant disparity in pricing or valuation. When comparing prices between suppliers be sure they have used the same grading laboratory.
Diamond prices are impacted by the usual dynamics of supply and demand. Simply put, availability and rarity will drive prices higher.
Quality factors will also dramatically impact the price of a particular diamond. These factors are often referred to as “The 4 C’s:” carat, cut, clarity and color. Learn more about The 4 C’s here.
Diamond prices start to increase exponentially as you go up in carat weight and hit the "magic" carat weights such as .5 carat, 0.75 carat and 1 carat.
Shape, which is different than cut, is another pricing factor. For example, round shaped diamonds typically cost more. Read our tutorial about diamond shapes here.
Diamond prices have been historically priced on a per carat bases. It is still common in brick and mortars and business-to-business transactions. For example: a 0.75-carat (also know as a 75 pointer) priced at $4000 per carat, would cost $3000 ($4000 x 0.75= $3000). As more consumers are using the Internet to educate themselves about diamonds and make purchases, diamond prices are starting to reflect the total diamond price for simplicity and clarity.
Diamonds are typically graded by one of three prominent gem labs: GIA, AGS or EGL. These labs may grade the same diamond differently, which could create a significant disparity in pricing or valuation. When comparing prices between suppliers be sure they have used the same grading laboratory.
Quote
Basic Rules
For all diamonds, there are a few basic universal rules.
First of all, diamonds are all priced per carat. So, lets say a 0.50 carat diamond has a price of $1400 per carat. That diamond’s price for the stone would be $1400 * 0.50, or $700. Secondly, diamond prices per carat increase as you jump up to higher weight categories.
Therefore, diamond prices increase exponentially with weight, since their prices increase both due to the increased weight and due to the higher price per carat for the increased weight category.
https://www.diamonds.pro/diamond-prices/For all diamonds, there are a few basic universal rules.
First of all, diamonds are all priced per carat. So, lets say a 0.50 carat diamond has a price of $1400 per carat. That diamond’s price for the stone would be $1400 * 0.50, or $700. Secondly, diamond prices per carat increase as you jump up to higher weight categories.
Therefore, diamond prices increase exponentially with weight, since their prices increase both due to the increased weight and due to the higher price per carat for the increased weight category.
I've worked in the markets in the past. Jewelry is a standard 400% minimum markup, although it can be as high as 4,000%. Normally, around 800% is common for low end stores. Jared's Jewelers is where you would find the gross markup of 4,000%. I've seen them go as high as 12,000% on a diamond ring. It's sick really. People think they are getting a good deal, then when the item is appraised by a third party, they let them know their $12,000 ring is worth around $1,000-$1,200 'melt/scrap' value. This would be the offer a jewelry store or precious metals purchaser would offer you.
A diamond tester can be had for $15 or less on eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/291504599692?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
The same is true for a Gold/Silver test kit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/310825248614?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
December 05, 2015, 11:57:05 AM
so what new for today ? besides the 20 pages since yesterday! lol
December 05, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
I would like to hear Bitstone dev Van MicMinn's appraisal of the value of the bait prizes being shown to lure people into buying Bitstones.
He is obviously a big part of the credibility of this whole operation, yet he has not, to my knowledge, been here fielding questions and assuring everyone that the entire Bitstone operation is on the up and up and is no way a Matrix type of Pyramid fraud scheme like Gemcoin wherein great deals and prizes are offered to sucker people in to buying tickets or coupons , or in this case Bitstones.
Surely Mr McMinn can stop by and state for the record that he thinks that this operation he is involved in is legitimate and exactly why? I guess no devs are manning the stations today, so perhaps someone can give him a call at his Van McMinn Jewelry Appraisals office @ (615) 397-5603 and have him come by BCT and take his turn at the cannons defending what appears to be a blatant scam? Those shills from last night must be bewwy bewy tiwed di mornin after that marathon rage session last night.
He is obviously a big part of the credibility of this whole operation, yet he has not, to my knowledge, been here fielding questions and assuring everyone that the entire Bitstone operation is on the up and up and is no way a Matrix type of Pyramid fraud scheme like Gemcoin wherein great deals and prizes are offered to sucker people in to buying tickets or coupons , or in this case Bitstones.
Surely Mr McMinn can stop by and state for the record that he thinks that this operation he is involved in is legitimate and exactly why? I guess no devs are manning the stations today, so perhaps someone can give him a call at his Van McMinn Jewelry Appraisals office @ (615) 397-5603 and have him come by BCT and take his turn at the cannons defending what appears to be a blatant scam? Those shills from last night must be bewwy bewy tiwed di mornin after that marathon rage session last night.
December 05, 2015, 09:35:47 AM
I see someone named "Van McMinn" named as being one of the devs for ScamBones, err... "Bitstones".
Appears to be an actual real jewel appraiser. Not sure about that, though. I am going assume that he actually exists and is an actual jewel appraiser for the moment.
I am curious if he is aware that he is part of what appears to be a very similar scheme as the Gemcoin fraud operation which is in the process of getting busted right now.
Mr. McMinn: If you actually are running a legitimate business and are actually involved in this Bitstone operation, you had better hope it does not go big. Take a good look at the Gemcoin operation being raided and ask yourself if that looks like a good move for you and your business to be involved in something that is damned similar.
P.S: I find it hard to fathom that someone running a business completely based on trust like gem appraisal would engage in an operation of this sort which at the very least is pretty much guaranteed to leave a big stamp of scam on your name- forever. Since we already have an actual M.D. tossing his whole reputation in the toilet to play Crypto Scammer like his hero Josh Garza, having another guy involved in this obvious scam who seems smart and appears to have a lot going on is not that big of a surprise I guess.
Appears to be an actual real jewel appraiser. Not sure about that, though. I am going assume that he actually exists and is an actual jewel appraiser for the moment.
I am curious if he is aware that he is part of what appears to be a very similar scheme as the Gemcoin fraud operation which is in the process of getting busted right now.
Mr. McMinn: If you actually are running a legitimate business and are actually involved in this Bitstone operation, you had better hope it does not go big. Take a good look at the Gemcoin operation being raided and ask yourself if that looks like a good move for you and your business to be involved in something that is damned similar.
P.S: I find it hard to fathom that someone running a business completely based on trust like gem appraisal would engage in an operation of this sort which at the very least is pretty much guaranteed to leave a big stamp of scam on your name- forever. Since we already have an actual M.D. tossing his whole reputation in the toilet to play Crypto Scammer like his hero Josh Garza, having another guy involved in this obvious scam who seems smart and appears to have a lot going on is not that big of a surprise I guess.
December 05, 2015, 07:19:55 AM
who needs enemies when you have such classy supporters 
You sir, have just won the internet for today!
Enjoy the lamp. If it smells funny, talk to Suchmoon, he was the last one to have it.
P.S: OT for the classy folks supporting this operation: I suspect that this whole ScamBones err, Bitstones, operation just might be a fraud scheme.
December 05, 2015, 05:26:18 AM
fudders doing a good job, weak players get rid of the coins, which end up in the right hands. More FUD please
The more they dump the more I accumulate, nice!!
December 05, 2015, 04:58:30 AM
fudders doing a good job, weak players get rid of the coins, which end up in the right hands. More FUD please
December 05, 2015, 04:31:58 AM
There are 146 (no, I'm not missing a zero or any other digit) active BST addresses:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/#!rich
I found one (1) actual transaction (other than staking) in the last 8 hours.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/block.dws?36923.htm
No wonder we can't get any coherent discussion here. There aren't really that many bagholders and no network activity.
On the bright side 90.5% of coins are staking. Which means that should you want to perform a hostile fork you may need approximately... 46% of the coins, all other things being equal (coin age etc).
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/#!rich
I found one (1) actual transaction (other than staking) in the last 8 hours.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/block.dws?36923.htm
No wonder we can't get any coherent discussion here. There aren't really that many bagholders and no network activity.
On the bright side 90.5% of coins are staking. Which means that should you want to perform a hostile fork you may need approximately... 46% of the coins, all other things being equal (coin age etc).
Man, it looks like the Redcoats are on the attack. Credibility issues I see. I hope the "Movement" gains momentum. Maybe we can keep this thread on track today.
Edit- not so sure with Paul Revere lurking
December 05, 2015, 04:08:58 AM
There are 146 (no, I'm not missing a zero or any other digit) active BST addresses:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/#!rich
I found one (1) actual transaction (other than staking) in the last 8 hours.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/block.dws?36923.htm
No wonder we can't get any coherent discussion here. There aren't really that many bagholders and no network activity.
On the bright side 90.5% of coins are staking. Which means that should you want to perform a hostile fork you may need approximately... 46% of the coins, all other things being equal (coin age etc).
have you found mine yet? https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/#!rich
I found one (1) actual transaction (other than staking) in the last 8 hours.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bst/block.dws?36923.htm
No wonder we can't get any coherent discussion here. There aren't really that many bagholders and no network activity.
On the bright side 90.5% of coins are staking. Which means that should you want to perform a hostile fork you may need approximately... 46% of the coins, all other things being equal (coin age etc).
December 05, 2015, 04:08:37 AM
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