Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 109. (Read 787050 times)

The X2 isn't going to be available if the X-1 isn't.

I think that those who are to blame at this stage in my opinion are VeriSilicon! and you can't tell me that you would attack a trusted name company

I just have one question to ask staffs if they pass through here what is the deal with the X2 and how it relates to the recent customers if it is running could we exchange it instead of x3 or x1?

Well MS can't deliver anything, as there's nothing for them to deliver. Them hosting a bunch of X-1s would make no sense for them. At this point, they are just trying to wash their hands of all of this. I think they like us have held out hope for as long as they could, and are now refunding people out of their own pockets to rid themselves of the whole thing.

The guys at MS have been amazing and helpful through all of this, and I feel for them. I, like many others, plan to take any refunds from MS and spend it at their store on other equipment.

Minersource has been put in a terrible position and are refunding people out of their own pockets. I wouldn't be surprised to see minersource sue the shit out of BA in the near future. I really hope that minersource gets through this mess without suffering too much damage, as they are good guys who are doing the best they can in a shitty situation.

We should all band together and set a firm cut-off date until which we'll wait for REAL information or shipment of our products. If that date passes, we can pool our thoughts and funds to hire a firm that can help us recoup our losses. There's enough of us hear that if we stand together we can't be ignored.

I'm still hoping for a miracle in this mess, but also am ready to start preparing for the legal battle that could be coming.

Whats everyone's idea for a cut off date?

Bobsag3, Thomas s, anything you can add?

no, this is just hearsay so far -- Minersource still can do the right thing and  (1) DELIVER or (2) do no-nonsense refunds in order to stay out of trouble -- and they better!

naa, they absolutely do not have to wait for being sued themselves -- they could (maybe should) do that right away, depending on where the bigger pressure's coming from (and whether there is ANY milestones whatsoever completed in time on BA's part, which is rather doubtful here). So let's take it up a few notches, boys... ;)

Ya know, i was just thinking, if black arrow really doesn't deliver, can minersource file suit against them? Or would minersource have to do that after they are sued them selves to then recoup loss?

 

boy, am I curious too -- already biting my fingernails here... ;)

How about the truth then -- it would be so much easier to assess our (common) situation here if they, for once, would tell the whole truth and/or disclose their communications with China etc etc. All that "continues to ship" and "resume shipping" stuff doesn't cut it (and isn't true)!

We want

  (1) mining hardware,
  (2) a true and honest report on when we will see it at our doorstep if it isn't on its way (proof would be a tracking number)
  (3) due to overly missing all thinkable deadlines, a no-nonsense AND IMMEDIATE refund where requested

If Minersource do care about their business and their overall future prospects, they better start talking and/or doing no-nonsense refunds NOW. I would be the first to post good news of them still turning out to be reliable immediately after receiving my hardware or my money back.

It would be in THEIR best interest, seriously...

Yeah, i have been sorta at peace with not receiving my two x1s lately as the thought that people have ordered multiple x3s and not recieved them either makes me feel sick for those individuals.

At the same time, that six hundred bucks could come in real fuckin handy right now. Bastards. The absolute worst thing is that by the time we get these we can't even recoup what we spent on them by reselling them. It is a total loss. If you decide to go the other route and mine with it, if they ever come, by the time you get close to your roi, if you were to try to sell it then it is nothing more than a fancy paperweight.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Today or tomorrow there is normally an update....every week...wow what will they find now...

so far, they appear to be talking about your "e-mail request" only. Did you receive any message stating that they "will soon process" your refund yet? As in **actually sending back your pre-paid bitcoins**, I mean?

If you get them THAT far, THEN you'll be talking...!

I've requested for refund many times.
On 18 June 2014
But now, there is nothing. No refund, No tracking. Nothing.
I send them messages everyday, they merged these to one, but they don't reply.
Only on Friday, they copy news from website and paste it for me.
And today is Friday, i think there is a news. And certainly, they will update it for me. Sure

thanks, will try :(   &  good luck with yours...!

all I know is that I got proper screwed over.. my purchases at that time were either ScamFast or Black Arrow.. needless to say, i have my own ongoing legal battle so you can guess which choice I made.     It's a shit feeling - so I wish you all the very best of luck in getting sorted with this.

didn't say that (yet). Only they should effect proper and immediate refunds where needed if they still can't deliver.

Do you have any further info or pointers as to what's going on there behind the scenes? Any input/experience/reports would be highly appreciated!

so they've run with the money? not good. 

comming or coming (or cumming, ahem)...? Might wanna check your spelling to avoid ambiguity :P

That picture is a very old joke anyway! Had been posted DAYS BACK in this very forum. Helps us all -- a lot. How original.

Next week is coming

+1

To be fair, though: it's not that they (at MS or 'minersource.net') were not trying...

They do try their very best, only they get hammered from both sides of the deal here: they got a bunch of Chinese idiots who are not delivering and not keeping their deadlines (most likely in spite of full-mouthed promises before their supplier-retailer deal was awarded and entered into) and then there is **us** on the other side -- rightly frustrated about not getting anything for our pre-paid money! This is what you get from "Globalisation" and outsourcing things to a developing (or threshold) country -- and from "buying Chinese" instead of sourcing your stuff as locally and reasonably as possible!

Minersource's (only) fault here is having entered into some difficult-to-manage deal with overly bold expectations and correspondingly bold marketing claims and promised delivery dates. (And **our** mistake, along the line what you are saying up there, has been **falling for that** although each and everyone of us should know by now that pre-orders do carry that overwhelming potential for frustration.) Still, MS are our counterparty and ought to MAKE GOOD on their obligations under the contract ONE WAY OR THE OTHER:

   (1) by sending immediate REFUNDS where requested,
   (2) by offering some really good compensation (over 100%, as it stands now, is hardly going to cut it -- as one reply to one of my earlier posts correctly stated --, so they would need to throw in AT LEAST one free X1 machine for every customer who still wants one=two for the price of one)
   (3) by learning their lesson and NOT making any such unrealistic promises again in the future. Others know how to manage their projects and what can go wrong; operators such as Spondooliestech or Mining ASICs Tech appear to know their stuff a lot better -- and, this way, do meet their deadlines; MS should, too...

What Minersource should ABSOLUTELY NOT be doing is DELAYING ANY REFUNDS (but they do just that) but REFUND IMMEDIATELY if so requested!

For all people that gone order in the future don't order with BA!
Invest your money in others that can deliver directly...