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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 107. (Read 787050 times)

legendary
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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
Who is with me in contacting the other legitimate ASIC resellers and seeing if they will help support us in pursuing legal action? As part of the Bitcoin community, we need to stick together here and weed out scams like this one.

Let's agree on a list of potential resellers and manufactures to contact. Maybe the Bitcoin Foundation could help as well?

The first time I read this post it was funny. The second time I read it, it was funnier. The third read-through was even funnier. The forth...

After the ninth read, I emailed it to Saturday Night Live to hopefully have them write a script around it. Worst case scenario it'll be too funny for their standards.

That said, you've been reported to themos for writing funny shit and will probably be banned for being too funny.

Weeding out scams! Seriously? That's why Matt Carson was put in place as a reseller in Colorado: To Weed Out!, bud.

Name one entity that the Bitcoin Foundation has investigated as a scam to protect the community.

Name one Bitcoin miner provided, whether operating honestly or not (most of the former), that gives a damn as to how their counterparts are performing, hence won't left a finger to help because they're in the process of operating their own scam.

Yep! Funny shit!

Serious question, PG is that you?  Cause you sound an awful like PG trying not to sound like PG.
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Confirmed that I have shipments on the way as of Saturday, with additional shipments to go out tomorrow. I will post UPS screenshots tomorrow. Should have equipment in Tuesday/Wednesday with regular shipments to follow till preorders completed.
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sticky, on 05 Jul 2014 - 9:10 PM, said:

Hey David,
 
You said the backplanes are fixed and in production, but in the same sentence say that backplanes are being handmade and tested....what the hell does that mean?

david105396, on 06 Jul 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

There are a few handmade backplanes that we are tweaking the software with.

They are no closer to shipping the X3, BTW. Found on the ecointalk forum.

http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-black-arrow-weekly-production-update/page-362#entry12930
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06 July 2014


Shipping has started!

Minion

We have tested the Minion powered at 0.6V and the efficiency is 0.5W/ghash at the wall while hashing at 50Ghash. This translates into $1.1/Ghash at this outstanding efficiency.

Prospero X-1
1.Shipping: This week we have manufactured and have been shipping Prospero X-1 miners (Control Board – Original Design). We will clear all X1 orders by the end of July. Customers will be receiving their shipping information as soon as their order will be processed.
2.LCD has been tested successfully with the touch panel using our hardware. Following this we are putting it to mass production on Monday and it will be attached to miners as soon as it arrives.
3.WiFi – For the reasons explained in our previous update, WiFi antennas will be delivered together with the units containing LCD.
4.Units will be dispatched without LCD and WiFi until the LCDs will be delivered to us.
5.User Manual can be downloaded from http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-support.html.
6.Photos from our assembly line are available at http://ecointalk.net/gallery/album/42-06-july-update/

Prospero X-2

1.Following market trends, we decided to manufacture a new product which can achieve a lower price per GHash. LCD, WiFi and build in PSU will be not included in the X-2. The idea behind X-2 is to use 1 hashing module from Prospero X3 and power it up with an ATX PSU. Several modules can be powered by one single ATX supply.
2.The hashing power will be around 240 GHash/s.
3.We are now in testing phase of the prototype and we will have a case designed and ready under a week time.
4.We will put this product to sale from stock only.

Prospero X-3

1.We have completed the assembly of first prototype using the new Backplane of Prospero X-3. Testing results have been successful. Following this we progressed to next stage and we have placed the order for mass production.
You can find a short video with our testing at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwnKZTeAG8
2.We have already manufactured 10% of the X-3 backplanes which are now in SMT line for assembly. We expect to deliver them by 12th of July
3.Deliveries of all X-3 current orders will be completed by the end of the month.
4.LCD will be attached to the miners as soon as they are delivered. All units will be dispatched without LCD. until LCD parts will be delivered to us
5.To prevent interference in the datacenter this product does not have WiFi module/capabilities.

Rent-A-Minion

The service will start according to the place in the queue as soon as the hardware is ready.

Compensation

Currently we are unable to raise the compensation more than announced previously. The final decision will be made after we complete all deliveries in order to calculate the yield and our final costs.
However, we have done all preliminary calculations possible right now and due to our design focused on quality including:
-8 layer PCBs
-heatpipe heatsinks
-aluminium case
-included power supply
-long life 4 wire 5000 RPM fans
-genuine parts (capacitors, resistors, mosfets, inductors etc)
-capacitors that cannot explode
Our current design will not be able to directly compete on price with competitors’ design most of which are using one or more of the following:
-4 layers PCBs
-extruded aluminum heatsinks
-steel cases or case-less units
-no power supplies
-1500 rpm 2 wire fan (no speed control, no rpm reading)
As currently there are lower cost designs for our ASICs, at this point we would like to offer our loyal customers the possibility to exchange their order to Minion ASICs. We are now offering to exchange your order to ASIC at a discounted price of lower than $0.5/Ghash as follows:
-Each X3 preorder can be exchanged for 100 ASICS
-Each X1 preorder can be exchanged for 6 ASICs
-Each $55 paid for Rent-A-Minion service can be exchanged for 1 ASIC

Note that customers who choose to exchange their orders for ASICs forfeit the compensation announced previously.
Dispatch for the Minions is available immediately
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http://answers.usa.gov/system/templates/selfservice/USAGov/#!portal/1012/article/3202/Overseas-Fraud


Dear Pentax,

We have not committed any fraud and we have done everything according to the contract signed with our customers. Every part is purchased, and now in our stock, waiting to be assembled and shipped.

If you are one of our customers, please read this week update: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/bitcoin-miners-progress-update-06-july-2014.html

We have now worked around all roadblocks and all orders will be dispatched by the end of this month.

Regards!
sr. member
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Wow, attacks coming in already.  Cheesy Let see what real people think, not trolls from BA.

Chap your just a nut, you Just need to come out of your shell Tongue
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Yes, it is a scam! You need to stop fooling yourself here. Ask yourself how long it took from the first 'working' video of the X1 and when paying customers (not David, a BA spokesperson) actually received it. O wait, I still haven't received my batch 1 order for X1s from Blackarrow. They refuse to say if I am on this mythical 'refund list' and they have not shipped anything. So, good luck with your 'proof' of X3 existing and shipping next week.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwnKZTeAG8

at last! a full x3 module working.

We have the right to be angry and to demand a fair compensation/refund for the huge delays. But definitely this is not a scam case.

I don't know what you see, but what i see is a machine runs at 1.07 TH/sec i bought several X3's the should run at minimum 2.00 TH/sec...i did'nt see that, so who is talking about an X3???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwnKZTeAG8

at last! a full x3 module working.

We have the right to be angry and to demand a fair compensation/refund for the huge delays. But definitely this is not a scam case.
legendary
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

Each X3 order will receive 5X 1TH units = 5.5 TH total. Shipping begins next week. Not sure if we'll get the sweet ass silkscreen like the X-1s though.

"Shipping begins next week" - is that even guaranteed?
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

Each X3 order will receive 5X 1TH units = 5.5 TH total. Shipping begins next week. Not sure if we'll get the sweet ass silkscreen like the X-1s though.

it is serious or just speculations the sources of this information please?

Just my wishful thinking. Roll Eyes
legendary
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

That will still be overpriced.
That's what cointerra is still going for. It should be under $3000 to compete with the S3 though.

If you buy 2 TH in S3 is ~2000 bucks.

2000/ 478 = 4.18 *.74 = 3.09    * 650  =  $2012

There is no reason to pay more than that today. Looks like we are solidly at $1 per GH/s
There's also 2 PSUs required. Also not to mention the lack of a sweet lcd! /s

You would want to use the 2000 watt IBM with a sidehack board to power ... 6 of them?  About 150 bucks... so tack on ~25 bucks per unit for PSU.
legendary
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If you buy 2 TH in S3 is ~2000 bucks.

2000/ 478 = 4.18 *.74 = 3.09    * 650  =  $2012

There is no reason to pay more than that today. Looks like we are solidly at $1 per GH/s

Batch 3 S3 are only 0.725 btc each. Also the S3 can be overclocked to at least 550gh.

Solidly at less than $1 per GH/s. nice.
I wonder how the over clock impacts power efficiency.
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If you buy 2 TH in S3 is ~2000 bucks.

2000/ 478 = 4.18 *.74 = 3.09    * 650  =  $2012

There is no reason to pay more than that today. Looks like we are solidly at $1 per GH/s

Batch 3 S3 are only 0.725 btc each. Also the S3 can be overclocked to at least 550gh.
legendary
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

That will still be overpriced.
That's what cointerra is still going for. It should be under $3000 to compete with the S3 though.

If you buy 2 TH in S3 is ~2000 bucks.

2000/ 478 = 4.18 *.74 = 3.09    * 650  =  $2012

There is no reason to pay more than that today. Looks like we are solidly at $1 per GH/s
legendary
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

That will still be overpriced.
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

Each X3 order will receive 5X 1TH units = 5.5 TH total. Shipping begins next week. Not sure if we'll get the sweet ass silkscreen like the X-1s though.

it is serious or just speculations the sources of this information please?
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Who wants to guess what each X-3 (2TH) will fall to after they finish delivering to batch 1 and 2? My guess is $3500

Each X3 order will receive 5X 1TH units = 5.5 TH total. Shipping begins next week. Not sure if we'll get the sweet ass silkscreen like the X-1s though.
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GOOD NEWS since the design of the current backlane work and seems stable and already in mass production now! normally during this coming week they will have the first X3 batch
according to my estimates and limits of my logic!
legendary
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That X1 silkscreen is new.

The 2 (unlit) lights on the front are new too.
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Holy crap, looks like in hand is the end of july for anyone who is a customer of black arrow, before they started doing the reseller thing. As if the delays weren't bad enough, to then get fucked again by having your order, you think that if you place your order with the company directly before they EVEN had resellers it would sorta put you more towards the top of the list, ignored for the sake of resellers?? Pretty much black arrow giving a big middle finger to any of the first suckers to buy into their bullshit. What pieces of trash, seriously.

What do they fuckin care though? They used the initial round of funding to purchase bitfury boards and use those to mine with. Then the price of btc went to shit and they got really fucked, they have just recently been able to recoup their losses and that is why those pictures are the pictures we should have seen in march, yes, i am accounting for missing one deadline, nature of the beast.

Can i PROVE that is what took place? No, i can't prove it. It is the only logical explanation in my mind though. How can people be as inept as they made them selves out to be after sucesfully launching a miner before hand. It wasn't their first rodeo. Something fucking stinks about all of this.
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