Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 200. (Read 787053 times)

Quote from: Dot99lr on May 09, 2014, 08:07:45 AM

Quote from: shogunmark on May 09, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

Actually they did...

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Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power. For this reason the customers who have been with us from the beginning will always receive the best deals.

I don't want to get in an argument that does no good, but they don't mention any compensation if they're late, just security for early buyers if they sell it at a lower price.

Yeah they did because they promised it at time of shipping, with others prices decreased and hash rates up the compensation comes from that.

+1 , Most impotant things is delivery date. even BA knew time is real gold in this market.
I paid for them to get miner on Feb not May and if they mentioned delivery date was on May, i did not even order.(they did not keep 30 April delivery again)
So BA need to compensate us becuase value of miner dropping due to hash rate up

There is a risk to preorders, correct? That risk may be that shipping would be late, or that specs are not met, or even a company disappearing with your money. This is a risk EVERYONE should have been aware of. We should not be shocked that they're late and demand compensation. We didn't lay down our money, or we shouldn't have, with the belief that they would be 100% on time with no problems. It would be naive to think so, based on what has gone on in the past in the bitcoin community. That's all I'm saying. Now, saying all that BA can try to make it right and be a 'good' company in the mining world. And I hope they do, but I never expected them to if things went wrong. I won't post again regarding this topic as it really doesn't help anything.

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Quote from: Dot99lr on May 09, 2014, 08:07:45 AM

Quote from: shogunmark on May 09, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 09, 2014, 08:28:28 AM

Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

Actually they did...

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Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power. For this reason the customers who have been with us from the beginning will always receive the best deals.

I don't want to get in an argument that does no good, but they don't mention any compensation if they're late, just security for early buyers if they sell it at a lower price.

Yeah they did because they promised it at time of shipping, with others prices decreased and hash rates up the compensation comes from that.

+1 , Most impotant things is delivery date. even BA knew time is real gold in this market.
I paid for them to get miner on Feb not May and if they mentioned delivery date was on May, i did not even order.(they did not keep 30 April delivery again)
So BA need to compensate us becuase value of miner dropping due to hash rate up

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Quote from: sorehammer on May 09, 2014, 08:21:00 AM

From the horses mouth:

Dear Customers,

We just want to let you know that we have not forgotten our promise and we will match in Ghash any competitor at the time of shipping. There is no point in discussing yet what extra hashing power you will receive as we have not started shipping yet.

ASIC price match announced in this thread is part of our promise.

Regards!

Will that cover batch 2. I hope it does Grin

LOL come on man. Batch 2 is the red headed step child in all this. Ordered days apart from Batch 1 and get nada, zilch. Unless bobsag3 can work some magic somehow in his trip there for all customers. Doubtful.

We get a slap in the face and a "bitch, please". But hey we get a discount next time we order. Tongue

So we are the cousin that every one tolerates but tries to ignore nice.

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Quote from: Dot99lr on May 09, 2014, 08:07:45 AM

Quote from: shogunmark on May 09, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Quote from: sorehammer on May 09, 2014, 08:21:00 AM

Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

Actually they did...

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Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power. For this reason the customers who have been with us from the beginning will always receive the best deals.

I don't want to get in an argument that does no good, but they don't mention any compensation if they're late, just security for early buyers if they sell it at a lower price.

Yeah they did because they promised it at time of shipping, with others prices decreased and hash rates up the compensation comes from that.

Again, it says they will match ghs at time of shipping. Nothing about if they miss the shipping date, you'll get compensation. I was only referring to compensation for being late. Shipping hasn't happened yet, so wait until then to complain. Then you'll have reason to complain about a broken promise if they don't match.

EDIT: I don't have that much money in it (3 batch 1 X-1s) because that's what I could afford to lose if it all went to shit, which it had the strong possibility to do.

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From the horses mouth:

Quote from: sorehammer on May 09, 2014, 08:21:00 AM

Dear Customers,

We just want to let you know that we have not forgotten our promise and we will match in Ghash any competitor at the time of shipping. There is no point in discussing yet what extra hashing power you will receive as we have not started shipping yet.

ASIC price match announced in this thread is part of our promise.

Regards!

Will that cover batch 2. I hope it does Grin

as we can see it will not cover neither!

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From the horses mouth:

Dear Customers,

We just want to let you know that we have not forgotten our promise and we will match in Ghash any competitor at the time of shipping. There is no point in discussing yet what extra hashing power you will receive as we have not started shipping yet.

ASIC price match announced in this thread is part of our promise.

Regards!

Will that cover batch 2. I hope it does Grin

LOL come on man. Batch 2 is the red headed step child in all this. Ordered days apart from Batch 1 and get nada, zilch. Unless bobsag3 can work some magic somehow in his trip there for all customers. Doubtful.

We get a slap in the face and a "bitch, please". But hey we get a discount next time we order. Tongue

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From the horses mouth:

Dear Customers,

We just want to let you know that we have not forgotten our promise and we will match in Ghash any competitor at the time of shipping. There is no point in discussing yet what extra hashing power you will receive as we have not started shipping yet.

ASIC price match announced in this thread is part of our promise.

Regards!

Will that cover batch 2. I hope it does Grin

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From the horses mouth:

Quote from: shogunmark on May 09, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Dear Customers,

We just want to let you know that we have not forgotten our promise and we will match in Ghash any competitor at the time of shipping. There is no point in discussing yet what extra hashing power you will receive as we have not started shipping yet.

ASIC price match announced in this thread is part of our promise.

Regards!

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Quote from: shogunmark on May 09, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

Actually they did...

Quote

Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power. For this reason the customers who have been with us from the beginning will always receive the best deals.

thats right!!

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Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

Actually they did...

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Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power. For this reason the customers who have been with us from the beginning will always receive the best deals.

I don't want to get in an argument that does no good, but they don't mention any compensation if they're late, just security for early buyers if they sell it at a lower price.

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Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

Actually they did...

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Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power. For this reason the customers who have been with us from the beginning will always receive the best deals.

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Quote from: SunnyIgor on May 09, 2014, 07:41:26 AM

I realize that most people are upset about delays and preliminary power specs, but these are some of the risks of preordering. All should have weighed the pros and cons of a preorder and acted accordingly. It was a gamble, that's how most preorders have gone. No ASIC manufacturer has met their delivery date and their specs, why should we think BA would without any problems. This is not a normal business community and is not operated under 'normal' business rules. Everybody who put down money should have done some research and realized this. We're not ordering a pc from Dell. There was a big possibility that shit could go wrong.

Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

No more complaining please. It won't help get our miners quicker. BA knows some people are angry. We knew what we were getting in to, or at least should have. We took a gamble and it didn't turn out like we planned. Plain and simple. No more preorders, this is a way we as customers can end this.

I'm sure BA is frustrated and tired too. I just want a working product. Go BA!

I think most people are mad that they didn't invest all the money they had in Black Arrow into Bitmain, Spondoolies, or Gridseed products instead.

If only if I had a time machine to last winter before submitting that order....

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I realize that most people are upset about delays and preliminary power specs, but these are some of the risks of preordering. All should have weighed the pros and cons of a preorder and acted accordingly. It was a gamble, that's how most preorders have gone. No ASIC manufacturer has met their delivery date and their specs, why should we think BA would without any problems. This is not a normal business community and is not operated under 'normal' business rules. Everybody who put down money should have done some research and realized this. We're not ordering a pc from Dell. There was a big possibility that shit could go wrong.

Also, I don't think they owe us any compensation. No where did they promise to give compensation if they were late. I'm happy with what they are giving us. I realize some people are not. Everybody can't be happy.

No more complaining please. It won't help get our miners quicker. BA knows some people are angry. We knew what we were getting in to, or at least should have. We took a gamble and it didn't turn out like we planned. Plain and simple. No more preorders, this is a way we as customers can end this.

I'm sure BA is frustrated and tired too. I just want a working product. Go BA!

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Quote from: fuzznarf on May 09, 2014, 07:25:48 AM

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AntMiner S1-0.5 BTC
Speed: 180 GH/S
Price: 0.5 BTC

Wow they keep getting cheaper and cheaper. So so tempted to buy a few

Don't buy.
They promised batch 1 orders to be delivered Feb 28, 2014. Then delayed it to April 30, 2014. They still haven't delivered Batch 1 X-3 units. But are already promising batch2 units for next week when they can't even fill orders for batch1.

He is talking about buying an ANTMINER from Bitmain.

yeah, i realize that now.. somehow I missed an entire page when I was catching up on the thread lol. my bad.
Antminer actually looks pretty awesome. And actually exist.

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AntMiner S1-0.5 BTC
Speed: 180 GH/S
Price: 0.5 BTC

Wow they keep getting cheaper and cheaper. So so tempted to buy a few

Don't buy.
They promised batch 1 orders to be delivered Feb 28, 2014. Then delayed it to April 30, 2014. They still haven't delivered Batch 1 X-3 units. But are already promising batch2 units for next week when they can't even fill orders for batch1.

He is talking about buying an ANTMINER from Bitmain.

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AntMiner S1-0.5 BTC
Speed: 180 GH/S
Price: 0.5 BTC

Wow they keep getting cheaper and cheaper. So so tempted to buy a few

Don't buy.
They promised batch 1 orders to be delivered Feb 28, 2014. Then delayed it to April 30, 2014. They still haven't delivered Batch 1 X-3 units. But are already promising batch2 units for next week when they can't even fill orders for batch1.

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Quote from: mtbitcoin on May 09, 2014, 06:37:56 AM

I am just happy Bobsag3 is on his way soon and all the information that will bring, the pictures and the status. I am sure he will talk to them about the compensation plan aswell.

I agree.... people have bashed bobsag3 and minersource. But truth be told, if it wasn't for him then i would have pulled out long ago.

Matt, i truly appreciate your efforts, you have made a miserable situation more tolerable.

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Quote from: mazedk on May 09, 2014, 06:15:29 AM

AntMiner S1-0.5 BTC
Speed: 180 GH/S
Price: 0.5 BTC

Wow they keep getting cheaper and cheaper. So so tempted to buy a few

The S1 Antminers are currently $1.25/GH (non overclocked)

The X3 (assuming 5k cost, excluding power supply and including the free unit at a 3th total) are $1.50/GH

Well that shit just ain't right! Sad

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Quote from: me2014 on May 09, 2014, 06:02:26 AM

i cant believe that they said shipping starts next week and customers still do not have an idea what to expect..dont have clue about final specs,about compensation(an extra 1th unit) and its shipping time and price-which includes PSU that we need to buy as a part of compensation..all of this is just ridiculous!

On the other hand. Would you rather wait or have the X-3 in hand and hashing with possibility / propability for firmware upgrades to upgrade hashing rate?

We was waiting for months to have more efficient product then others on market and what we got?we got more investment,another delays and non-efficient product which will be useless in a short time..if the goal is just to get it,then they shoul send us just an empty case so we could have it at our homes.. Undecided

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