Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 287.

jimmothy

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Quote from: sticky on January 31, 2014, 12:21:47 AM

i started a poll on the ecoin forums....http://ecointalk.net/topic/477-a-chance-for-black-arrow-to-set-up-and-make-things-right/

if you're a batch 1 customer, please stop in and vote, maybe we can get a little something for our lost time.

Hashing for us with their bitfurys does sound pretty reasonable to me. I doubt they have enough hashing power to cover 1/4th the total ordered hashrate though.

sticky

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i started a poll on the ecoin forums....http://ecointalk.net/topic/477-a-chance-for-black-arrow-to-set-up-and-make-things-right/

if you're a batch 1 customer, please stop in and vote, maybe we can get a little something for our lost time.

bobsag3

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Quote from: TinkerTom on January 30, 2014, 11:49:04 PM

Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: thomas_s on January 30, 2014, 11:32:03 PM

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I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

As chatty as all this is, do you realize that your direct customers didn't hear anything from you or from Black Arrow about this? It's pretty shitty reading about it in a comment on reddit.

I got a short statement out on the R17 thread, as well as on the company FB page this morning when I first confirmed the news, and have had a busy day fielding customer calls and emails, ongoing training, and now responding to the forums. No excuse for our response time- part of the meetings during the trip is to work on resolving these communications issues better.

Flying Hellfish

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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!

Can we get a direct official statement from Miner Source for their customers, will refunds be offered for B1 customers?

bobsag3

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Quote from: jimmothy on January 30, 2014, 11:47:56 PM

Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:33:59 PM

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

So now that you're here can we get an official statement regarding the delays?

How will the extra 25% cloud mining be handled for us who bought through your site?

Also I assume there will be no refunds but many are wondering so a clear statement would help.

Thanks

I do not have the exact details- thats is the point of the trip. I will be hashing (no pun) that out with them directly in person, as well as getting any additional details I can to share back with my customers and the community.

TinkerTom

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Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:33:59 PM

Quote from: thomas_s on January 30, 2014, 11:32:03 PM

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I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

As chatty as all this is, do you realize that your direct customers didn't hear anything from you or from Black Arrow about this? It's pretty shitty reading about it in a comment on reddit.

jimmothy

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Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:33:59 PM

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

So now that you're here can we get an official statement regarding the delays?

How will the extra 25% cloud mining be handled for us who bought through your site?

Also I assume there will be no refunds but many are wondering so a clear statement would help.

Thanks

bobsag3

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Quote from: thomas_s on January 30, 2014, 11:32:03 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: goozman96 on January 30, 2014, 10:59:33 PM

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Quote from: goozman96 on January 30, 2014, 10:10:41 PM

You make no sense. If you have something substantive to post, then feel free. Otherwise, you're wasting people's time.

Allow me to waste some more of people's time.

Time frame analysis while Matt Carson was in China.

BlackArrow Matt posted on December 04, 2013, 01:40:34 PM, then didn't post again till December 12, 2013, 07:17:01 PM, less than an hour after bobsag3 on December 10, 2013, 06:35:46 PM.

Quote from: bobsag3 on December 04, 2013, 10:36:57 AM

Quote from: zurg on December 04, 2013, 07:34:02 AM

So we got any official reps here from Black Arrow besides OP?

For now theres me, and BlackArrow_Matt. For a while I thought he was impersonating me... we have the same name and I got confused lol.

Note the date of the post above.

Cool story bro.

Ready for another one?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2980052

Re: ► ► ►HashFast Endorsement
August 21, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
#458
All I see coming out of your responses and those of the company representatives is PR. Not A single concrete answer for the multitude of questions asked, most very simple. If I ran any of my businesses this way I would not be in business any more, and would be ashamed to admit it. At least BFL is a known quantity.

I've yet to read Matt Carson saying the same about his beloved Black Arrow. Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's BlackArrow Matt.

Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on November 24, 2013, 09:30:10 PM

Hi,

I've been part of the bitcointalk community for a while. I was fortunate enough to become part of the Black Arrow team and I'm going to do my best to answer as many questions as possible while I'm here. We're extremely busy answering emails and taking orders for our February 2014 release.

If any moderators want to verify me, please PM me and I will provide my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

For a while easily equates to: Date Registered: August 11, 2013, 09:10:08 PM

I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

Well.... thats not the most implausible thing I have heard

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: goozman96 on January 30, 2014, 10:59:33 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: goozman96 on January 30, 2014, 10:10:41 PM

You make no sense. If you have something substantive to post, then feel free. Otherwise, you're wasting people's time.

Allow me to waste some more of people's time.

Time frame analysis while Matt Carson was in China.

BlackArrow Matt posted on December 04, 2013, 01:40:34 PM, then didn't post again till December 12, 2013, 07:17:01 PM, less than an hour after bobsag3 on December 10, 2013, 06:35:46 PM.

Quote from: bobsag3 on December 04, 2013, 10:36:57 AM

Quote from: zurg on December 04, 2013, 07:34:02 AM

So we got any official reps here from Black Arrow besides OP?

For now theres me, and BlackArrow_Matt. For a while I thought he was impersonating me... we have the same name and I got confused lol.

Note the date of the post above.

Cool story bro.

Ready for another one?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2980052

Re: ► ► ►HashFast Endorsement
August 21, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
#458
All I see coming out of your responses and those of the company representatives is PR. Not A single concrete answer for the multitude of questions asked, most very simple. If I ran any of my businesses this way I would not be in business any more, and would be ashamed to admit it. At least BFL is a known quantity.

I've yet to read Matt Carson saying the same about his beloved Black Arrow. Oh, that's right, I forgot. He's BlackArrow Matt.

Quote from: BlackArrow Matt on November 24, 2013, 09:30:10 PM

Hi,

I've been part of the bitcointalk community for a while. I was fortunate enough to become part of the Black Arrow team and I'm going to do my best to answer as many questions as possible while I'm here. We're extremely busy answering emails and taking orders for our February 2014 release.

If any moderators want to verify me, please PM me and I will provide my @blackarrowsoftware.com email address.

Thanks!
Matt

For a while easily equates to: Date Registered: August 11, 2013, 09:10:08 PM

I work with Matt Carson and he is not BlackArrow Matt, unless of course he talks to himself on skype.

-Redacted-

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Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:26:35 PM

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

I am certainly not black arrow matt. I was in BTC Miami this weekend, tons of people can verify that.
A large number of the people on this form know me personally, and my ties to black arrow. Ive never attempted to hide anything.

He's not "black arrow Matt". But I guarantee our Matt is flying off to England to have a little -somewhat heated- chat with his "black arrow" namesake....

bobsag3

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Quote from: erk on January 30, 2014, 11:28:23 PM

Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:26:35 PM

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

Lots of people who ordered from BA got emails to say batch one isn't shipping until May and they haven't done tapeout yet. Hence a kind of panic.

I know that- Ive been working on this all day. I posted a update in the R17 group buy thread, but forgot to post here. Ill go grab it and edit it in.

EDIT!

Hey guys quick update

- I have been on direct contact with Black Arrow in regards to the recent announced delay. They have not disappeared, taken off with the money ETC.
- We will be getting the 25% extra hashrate as promised to all batch one customers (applies only to Batch 1orders)
- I will be working as much as possible with them directly to further resolve this and to hopefully speed up the timeline
- I will be flying out to the UK next week to meet with them all in person, just waiting on when they can have me arrive (they are finally opening their physical London office) I will to my best to bring pictures news and updates away from this meeting. [Leaving monday night, meeting tuesday/wednesday , return thursday]

I have been up a very long time last night working with this, and probably will be up late the next few days, so please excuse me if I come off as rude, just want to keep you guys as informed as possible.

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Quote from: bobsag3 on January 30, 2014, 11:26:35 PM

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

Lots of people who ordered from BA got emails to say batch one isn't shipping until May and they haven't done tapeout yet. Hence a kind of panic.

bobsag3

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Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

I am certainly not black arrow matt. I was in BTC Miami this weekend, tons of people can verify that.
A large number of the people on this form know me personally, and my ties to black arrow. Ive never attempted to hide anything.

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Quote from: Bogart on January 30, 2014, 10:26:55 PM

I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

or at the very least give us our 25% NOW while we can make some use of it

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For the Price in BTC I paid in October for an X1 , I can get a refund and buy 5-6 of them now. Better than a Bank.

Syke

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Quote from: Bogart on January 30, 2014, 10:26:55 PM

I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

That would be acceptable. In fact, MegaBigPower did that when they had a delay on a batch.

MANofthePEOPLE

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What are your calculations for how much it'll make starting 10th may? 2-3 coins?

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I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

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Quote from: goozman96 on January 30, 2014, 09:16:46 PM

Guys, I've been talking with Blackarrow over PM on ecointalk and while I got some detailed answers to some of my questions, they said that they will publicly respond to questions tomorrow. (I can't post my PMs with him cuz he asked me not to disclose it since what he said to me wasn't conferred with the team, thus can't be deemed official).

Can we get someone to collate any/all of the questions and answers for those of us that may not have time or access tomorrow when this is going down?

TinkerTom

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I'm also a Minersource customer and still no word from them. I had two orders, one on the old system and one on the new -- nothing from either one.

I'm really disappointed in bobsag3 right now. No word either directly to his customers or on here is really unacceptable. He was a large part of the credibility that BA had and if he doesn't get out in front of this now, his is going to go down with theirs. It really kind of pisses me off I had to learn of this on reddit and then come here and catch up on 5 pages.

Just to add my .02, yeah, the 25% is an insult, and shipping batch 2 along with batch 1 compounds the problem. Here's an idea -- keep those batch 2 machines (sorry batch 2 people) and give batch 1 users a 100% hash increase in the cloud. I personally don't want more miners as I've already had my electric upgraded planning on the machines I ordered. (Yeah, not only out the $ for the miners, but 2 racks, network upgrade, bitcoind/P2pool server and $550 electrical work.)

I've always held the belief that BTC will be a long play, hope that's the case. Best we can hope for is a significant price increase.

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