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Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 284. (Read 787053 times)

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i also inquired about a refund.(from black arrow) i got a reply asking that i stick with them and that  i wont be disappointed. maybe they have some other compensation planned? they also said i could create a support ticket for a refund if i did want to continue with one.
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bobsag is in china meeting the BA team rite now trying to get a handle on this situation. How about we give him a break for sec so he can wrap his head around this whole debacle before we all hammer him with refund requests. 
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I requested a refund from Minersource via e-mail a couple of hours ago, still awaiting a reply. *crossing fingers* With my luck, they'll honor the refund and then I'll regret doing it come May when they start shipping! LOL Also, if this is some big scam (which I'm not 100% buying to be honest), they certainly won't be giving any refunds... I guess we wait and see.

If I do get a response from them, I'll share it here.

I would give them a few days to get things figured out before expecting a refund.
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I requested a refund from Minersource via e-mail a couple of hours ago, still awaiting a reply. *crossing fingers* With my luck, they'll honor the refund and then I'll regret doing it come May when they start shipping! LOL Also, if this is some big scam (which I'm not 100% buying to be honest), they certainly won't be giving any refunds... I guess we wait and see.

If I do get a response from them, I'll share it here.
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So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

Not sure, but I did notice this question asked already, only to be completely ignored.  I also sent an email to miner source asking that exact question and have not heard back as of yet.  I have 4 X-1's on order and would like to cancel and get a refund as this delay is pretty extreme and by my calcs it makes break even a pipe dream at best.

Matt (bobsag3) PM'ed me back,said he'll get back to me after his visit to BA  Wink



I will confirm this.
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Matt,

Is there any way that you guys would be willing to post a more detailed outline of what needs to be done between now and May?  Like others,  I'm really nervous about the delay,  and after such certainty from you guys that things would be out by the 28th,  I'm finding it a little hard to not question the new date of may 1st.  I just don't want to be BFLed =)


I also want to know that, and when batch 1 is late can batch 2 buyers trust that it will be shipped on time?
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So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

Not sure, but I did notice this question asked already, only to be completely ignored.  I also sent an email to miner source asking that exact question and have not heard back as of yet.  I have 4 X-1's on order and would like to cancel and get a refund as this delay is pretty extreme and by my calcs it makes break even a pipe dream at best.

Matt (bobsag3) PM'ed me back,said he'll get back to me after his visit to BA  Wink

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So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

Not sure, but I did notice this question asked already, only to be completely ignored.  I also sent an email to miner source asking that exact question and have not heard back as of yet.  I have 4 X-1's on order and would like to cancel and get a refund as this delay is pretty extreme and by my calcs it makes break even a pipe dream at best.
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Matt,

Is there any way that you guys would be willing to post a more detailed outline of what needs to be done between now and May?  Like others,  I'm really nervous about the delay,  and after such certainty from you guys that things would be out by the 28th,  I'm finding it a little hard to not question the new date of may 1st.  I just don't want to be BFLed =)

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So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?
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People need to chill. You invested on something that you should have known is high risk, high reward.

Sure, there was a screw up... But please reserve your freakouts for if there is another delay and no progress shown.

All I want is for the damn things to be extremely reliable and run for as long as there are bitcoins.

Might take some time for a ROI on my 10 X1's but as long as they keep working, I will have it and then some.

Worst case senario, it's funner than gambling and reading the entertainment on this forum is amusing.

Now, how are those monarch cards doing ? ... The only way I will be disappointed is if the Monarch comes out before I get my new toys, and work reliably.
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BlackArrow Matt

I create a ticket #UNS-201-35786.

Answer me, please.

Thanks!!
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There was a little more in this tidbit than in descarte's post  Roll Eyes

Saw this on their facebook page:

Dear Friends, If you would consider a refund, note that you have to go to the following abuse from black arrow: We are sorry to hear that you do not wish to continue with your order. As your order has already been put in production it is difficult for us to issue you with a refund. However, we do not want to make anyone unhappy therefore we will do our best to refund your money by moving your order to a new customer.
 We trust that bitcoin mining will be profitable in May as well or all the Bitcoin mining will stop. The online profitability calculators are wrong just because nobody in the right mind will keep doubling the hashrate of the network every month if they are loosing money. The hashrate of the network will keep growing only if the bitcoin value goes up again. For this reason we do not think that our miners will have a negative return of investment. However, we understand that you might not agree with us and we'll offer you the refund if you decide to go ahead with it.

  We find your behaviour unnaceptable and we would like to ask you to review it. If you will abuse or threaten us again, your refund will automatically go to the end of the refund queue or we will hold you to the agreed terms and conditions and ship you the order, as we see fit. May we refer you to the following clauses from our terms and conditions that you've agreed to:

The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order.
 The delivery date is provided for information purposes only and shall not be binding on Us. The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, withdraw, cancel or revoke the order or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery.
 If we agree to cancel an order based on customer's request, for each transfer needed to be made, we will charge 50 USD and all 3rd party fees. In some cases, we might also need to charge a further 30 USD handling fee for each incorrect or incomplete transfer information provided by the customer.

 If you wish to proceed with the refund, please understand and agree with the following:
 1. A refund request is final. We will not accept to reinstante your order if you change your mind later.
 2. As per agreed terms and conditions of sale, we are not obliged to issue you with a refund and this delay is acceptable. However, we are doing our best to keep everyone happy and we'll issue the refund.
 3. To cover time used to refund this order, for each transfer needed to be made, we will charge 50 USD and all 3rd party fees. In some cases, we might also need to charge a further 30 USD handling fee for each incorrect or incomplete transfer information provided by the customer.

 If you have paid in fiat (USD/EUR/GBP etc) please note that we cannot refund you right now. Please provide us with your complete bank details and we will be doing our best to send your money back within 1 month.
 BTC refunds are available sooner. Please let us know your BTC address where to issue the refund to.

 Please let us know if you wish to continue with this refund.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=544725588968867&id=477655819009178


WOW  Shocked

Take a step back and check the part I highlighted. If someone threatens us, we're going to go about things differently than a simple refund request.
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I know I said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but I just need to make one point.
If you go around and say that every pre-order is a scam, then you will most likely be right on a few of them. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That's all.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Dude, are you Chuck Norris?  Grin

Only Chuck Norris is cool enough to be Chuck Norris  Grin


I was talking about his avatar.... Smiley

Funny, last guy said I looked like Tommy Shaw. I'll take it, either way Tongue . (yeah, the avatar is me. I've cut my hair since then, and it's not blonde at the moment... )

SO you are not Chuck Norris?Huh

So I am never going to meet him???   Smiley
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Anarchy is not chaos.
I know I said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but I just need to make one point.
If you go around and say that every pre-order is a scam, then you will most likely be right on a few of them. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That's all.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Dude, are you Chuck Norris?  Grin

Only Chuck Norris is cool enough to be Chuck Norris  Grin


I was talking about his avatar.... Smiley

Funny, last guy said I looked like Tommy Shaw. I'll take it, either way Tongue . (yeah, the avatar is me. I've cut my hair since then, and it's not blonde at the moment... )
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
I know I said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but I just need to make one point.
If you go around and say that every pre-order is a scam, then you will most likely be right on a few of them. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That's all.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Dude, are you Chuck Norris?  Grin

Only Chuck Norris is cool enough to be Chuck Norris  Grin

Yeah, what he said! I'm a mere mortal Smiley
hero member
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I know I said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but I just need to make one point.
If you go around and say that every pre-order is a scam, then you will most likely be right on a few of them. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That's all.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Dude, are you Chuck Norris?  Grin

Only Chuck Norris is cool enough to be Chuck Norris  Grin


I was talking about his avatar.... Smiley
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I know I said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but I just need to make one point.
If you go around and say that every pre-order is a scam, then you will most likely be right on a few of them. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That's all.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Dude, are you Chuck Norris?  Grin

Only Chuck Norris is cool enough to be Chuck Norris  Grin
hero member
Activity: 1582
Merit: 502
I know I said I wouldn't reply to you anymore, but I just need to make one point.
If you go around and say that every pre-order is a scam, then you will most likely be right on a few of them. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That's all.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Dude, are you Chuck Norris?  Grin
erk
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I regret investing my measly 0.45 bitcoin in preordering a x-1, should have just used it to buy dogecoin  while it still was 30 satoshi, could have sat on 2mil doge as we speak. Well, I`m pretty sure I can sell the x-1 for atleast twice what I paid for it even if it doesnt arrive before may. Cant imagine how shitty it must feel to be down 5000$ like some people in this thread.
Well, at the current BTC price there is no ASIC mining hardware you can order and expect ROI, you are better off keeping your BTC, the only people that are going to make ROI are the ones that ordered a while back and are shipping in the next few weeks.

Prices would have to get down around $1-2per GH/s to try and make ROI in the next quarter of this year. The days df big margins on ASIC hardware are coming to an end, the shakeout will begin unless BTC magically doubles in value against the USD in the next month or two.




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