Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s - page 285. (Read 787053 times)

I regret investing my measly 0.45 bitcoin in preordering a x-1, should have just used it to buy dogecoin  while it still was 30 satoshi, could have sat on 2mil doge as we speak. Well, I`m pretty sure I can sell the x-1 for atleast twice what I paid for it even if it doesnt arrive before may. Cant imagine how shitty it must feel to be down 5000$ like some people in this thread.

PG has been right more often than not. He is abrasive, often amusing, and dogged as hell.

I think he's wrong on this one, but He is not a troll.

Hmm interesting.

Yesterday was announced the delay with an initial suggestion of an extra for clients due to it.

Today Matt has stated that they are looking into other options.

Um - is there a reason for this tantrum in here Bruno?
You expect results immediately?

I can understand such ranting and swearing if a delay had happened a few times.
But first time out, the day after it? Seriously?
Is there some other reason for this?
Does every company on the planet deserve this the first time there is a delay in their schedule?
Give it a rest and come back and rant in a couple of months if the delay happens again and there's no sign of any moving forward during that time.

P.S. Yes I do actually do paid work for BlackArrow (in case anyone didn't realise) and I've had no trouble with them.

There was a little more in this tidbit than in descarte's post  

Saw this on their facebook page:

Dear Friends, If you would consider a refund, note that you have to go to the following abuse from black arrow: We are sorry to hear that you do not wish to continue with your order. As your order has already been put in production it is difficult for us to issue you with a refund. However, we do not want to make anyone unhappy therefore we will do our best to refund your money by moving your order to a new customer.
 We trust that bitcoin mining will be profitable in May as well or all the Bitcoin mining will stop. The online profitability calculators are wrong just because nobody in the right mind will keep doubling the hashrate of the network every month if they are loosing money. The hashrate of the network will keep growing only if the bitcoin value goes up again. For this reason we do not think that our miners will have a negative return of investment. However, we understand that you might not agree with us and we'll offer you the refund if you decide to go ahead with it.

 We find your behaviour unnaceptable and we would like to ask you to review it. If you will abuse or threaten us again, your refund will automatically go to the end of the refund queue or we will hold you to the agreed terms and conditions and ship you the order, as we see fit. May we refer you to the following clauses from our terms and conditions that you've agreed to:

 The Purchaser understands and agrees that we will use his payment in order to purchase the necessary materials or pay workmanship required to fulfill his pre-order which will be non-refundable if cancelled. For this reason, the purchaser hereby gives us the right and agrees with our decision to decline any requests from him or third parties to cancel his pre-order.
 The delivery date is provided for information purposes only and shall not be binding on Us. The Purchaser is not entitled to refuse acceptance of the Products, withdraw, cancel or revoke the order or make claims for compensation due to any delayed delivery.
 If we agree to cancel an order based on customer's request, for each transfer needed to be made, we will charge 50 USD and all 3rd party fees. In some cases, we might also need to charge a further 30 USD handling fee for each incorrect or incomplete transfer information provided by the customer.

 If you wish to proceed with the refund, please understand and agree with the following:
 1. A refund request is final. We will not accept to reinstante your order if you change your mind later.
 2. As per agreed terms and conditions of sale, we are not obliged to issue you with a refund and this delay is acceptable. However, we are doing our best to keep everyone happy and we'll issue the refund.
 3. To cover time used to refund this order, for each transfer needed to be made, we will charge 50 USD and all 3rd party fees. In some cases, we might also need to charge a further 30 USD handling fee for each incorrect or incomplete transfer information provided by the customer.

 If you have paid in fiat (USD/EUR/GBP etc) please note that we cannot refund you right now. Please provide us with your complete bank details and we will be doing our best to send your money back within 1 month.
 BTC refunds are available sooner. Please let us know your BTC address where to issue the refund to.

 Please let us know if you wish to continue with this refund.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=544725588968867&id=477655819009178


WOW  

Phinnaeus Gage,

You're not a customer of Black Arrow and you're not a miner in general. You're stuck on the fact you think Bobsag and I are the same person because we've got the same name. I won't be disclosing my last name and I will not be disclosing my address or other personal information. This will be my last interaction with you. I'd encourage everyone else to ignore Phinnaeus Gage as well. Please do not feed the trolls.



Moving on...

Everyone at Black Arrow is working hard to turn this delay into something beneficial for everyone. I've been keeping an eye on a lot of threads both here and at ecointalk and I appreciate some of the suggestions I've read.

I can vouch for that!!!!!!!!! 

Thats actually a pretty decent point. I dont really have any way of proving im not him.... am I two people? How would I even know?

He also knew about the announcement before I did...

Im about 101% sure BA Matt is not from Missouri, and as such does not have a Missouri ID like I do... feel free to ask JohnK or DZ or Sushi or one of the other 100 something people who have met me in person, or feel free to visit us at BTC Austin coming up soon. I was in Miami this past weekend... pretty sure someone else who was there can verify they spoke with me.

Rent some minions is absolutely affected since the minion ASIC will not be done by March. Please let me know your ticket number so I can correct the advisor's information.

"As per agreed terms and conditions of sale, we are not obliged to issue you with a refund and this delay is acceptable"

Acceptable? OK, so you are discouraged from getting a refund because they will charge you 50 USD , 30 USD and some UNKNOWN 3RD PARTY Fees. 1 month to refund? long refund queue to discourage refund?

"We understand that the 25% extra mining power is not something that will consider as right compensation for the delay. We are looking into providing an alternative solution, please bare with us for few days until we review what else we can offer."

They better come up with something better. Hope they don't drag their so call "better offer" till may and keep their customers hanging again. I am sick and tired of all these techniques.

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Dear customer,

We are sorry to hear that you do not wish to continue with your order. As your order has already been put in production it is difficult for us to issue you with a refund. However, we do not want to make anyone unhappy therefore we will do our best to refund your money by moving your order to a new customer.
We trust that bitcoin mining will be profitable in May as well or all the Bitcoin mining will stop. The online profitability calculators are wrong just because nobody in the right mind will keep doubling the hashrate of the network every month if they are loosing money. The hashrate of the network will keep growing only if the bitcoin value goes up again. For this reason and because we provide the lowest prices possible we do not think that our miners will have a negative return of investment. However, we understand that you might not agree with us and we'll offer you the refund if you decide to go ahead with it.

If you wish to proceed with the refund, please understand and agree with the following:
1. A refund request is final. We will not accept to reinstante your order if you change your mind later.
2. As per agreed terms and conditions of sale, we are not obliged to issue you with a refund and this delay is acceptable. However, we are doing our best to keep everyone happy and we'll issue the refund.
3. To cover time used to refund this order, for each transfer needed to be made, we will charge 50 USD and all 3rd party fees. In some cases, we might also need to charge a further 30 USD handling fee for each incorrect or incomplete transfer information provided by the customer.

If you have paid in fiat (USD/EUR/GBP etc) please note that we cannot refund you right now. Please provide us with your complete bank details and we will be doing our best to send your money back within 1 month.
BTC refunds are available sooner. Please let us know your BTC address where to issue the refund to.

Please let us know if you wish to continue with this refund.
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Dear Customer,

We understand that the 25% extra mining power is not something that will consider as right compensation for the delay. We are looking into providing an alternative solution, please bare with us for few days until we review what else we can offer.

On second thought,I'm trying for a refund for some of my orders from Minersource,3+ months delay just sank in thru my thick skull  

Wish me luck !!!!!!  

My BFL's were 6-8 months delayed 

My Avalon Klondikes were 3+ months delayed 

My Drillbits were 5+ weeks delayed,due to repairs mainly 

I'm battin 1000 here 

Will be watching to see what miners are going for in May.

Where was that quote from? sounds like a Bullshit troll post trying to stir up the pot. You can't rent what doesn't exist.

Not holding my breath, but that would be cool..

Really?

Hmm so what did I spend quite some time on and is in current cgminer?

https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/blob/master/driver-minion.c

The above is correct, IMHO. AM chips will be 0.35 w/ghs TT and 0.2 w/ghs ss.  They are using 40nm, which means estimated chip delivery near end march. AM chips will be cheaper to buy wholesale compared to BA chips to produce in terms of Btc and timing, due to BA delay of two months. To maximise return, BA should swallow their pride and realise the comp has them beat.  AM has taped out, and designs are out for PCB design.  FriedCat has even asked for people to PM him on this as he wants to sell AM chips wholesale. The BA back end team cannot produce a better chip at 28nm. BA, it's time to move forward so everyone will at least have a chance to recover their btcs. We don't care whose chips you use. We want hash power ASAP.

Did you not read their answers?  They said they cannot produce cases or circuit boards until they know what they have, which they don't.  They have nothing.

"
4. We cannot produce the PCBs without the exact pin layout of the chip. This has not been yet received.  We could not produce the case without the exact heat estimation.
"

You are probably wrong about most of those points except tape out. Thy already developed and tested using compatible FPGA.

It's easy for us to say this but I can't say in don't agree with you slightly   

Seeing as how it hasn't taped out yet and they have no circuit boards, no case, no software, nothing.  I seriously doubt it starts shipping in May.  They basically have nothing.  They should NOT produce this chip.  They should just get with someone like AsicMiner and build boards with their chips.  It'll be better/cheaper/faster.  Going forward with this is a mistake.  An expensive one.