Topic: Black Arrow is most likely a scam operation - page 6. (Read 14763 times)

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I is not a MENSA, but if I didith my maths wright, me say you born about 1975. Myself, March 4, 1960. I've had the pleasure of being in the homes of Barbara Mandell (both homes, north of Nashville in burbs), Frank Beard (ZZ Top), President George Herbert Walker Bush (Houston), among many other notables. Not too bad for a useless broke dude whomith ain't a MENSA. Feel free to vett my source if I entrusted you with Greta Van Susteren's personal phone number. Then again, she probably gives it to every Tom, Dick and Harry she meets, somewhat the way you vett fellow bitcoiners to make this a safer community.

Nope, delays DOES NOT mean scam. A legitimate delay caused by lack of parts or manufacturing problems is NOT a scam. However, the delay by Black Arrow could be just a decoy to extend the scam period before they eventually disappear.

Those factory photos could be fake. Assuming you live in China or have connections to someone who does, you can easily take those pictures or film the videos. It cannot prove that those factories belong to them. Tapeout begins in 4 days. What proof? Or it is just a decoy to extend their scam.


I'm not determined to prove it is a scam. In my original post to this thread, I said "most likely" and even said "if I am wrong...". I'm doing this because, like all you guys, I was fully convinced it was a legitimate company. The email sent from Black Arrow dated January 31 serves to be a wake-up call. ALL THE EVIDENCE we once believed (which is why I ordered, and even advised my friends to do so) needs to be re-examined. We need NEW EVIDENCE. We need to have solid prove of their manufacturing process. We need to know who are the directors, etc.

Most of Black Arrow activities are in this forum and their own ecointalk.net forum. They have some press release here and there. Why are their marketing activities so limited? Why are reporters/journalist reporting or featuring them in news articles.  You cannot find any reports about them within CoinDesk.com, WSJ, BusinessWeek, BloomBerg, Financial Times. (You can find Butterfly Labs, Cointerra, HashFash, KncMiner being reported.)

We probabaly need to look at Black Arrow from a fresh perspective. We wanted the machines to be Black Arrow. We wanted Black Arrow to be legit. We now have to ask ourselves: are all those evidence credible? Have you actually compared the credibility of other companies vs. Black Arrow. If Black Arrow were legit, then why are all those evidence "on the edge", flaky and can be challenged. For example, you said about all those factory photos/videos, re-look again at them and don't you think they can ask any friend who works in a factory as a manager to take them? Yes, they wrote a lot of technical documents. However, if you think about it, if they are pulling off such a massive scam operation, they can have real enginners as part of their team.

All those evidence about Black Arrow were believable last year, or until January 31 :-) At this moment you have to ask yourself and re-examine each and all of the evidence. There's nothing really credible.

Repeat:
Unknown company directors.
No journalist/reporters have ever featured them.
Confined marketing activities only to this forum and their own forum (ecointalk.net).
Since China banned depositing of Bitcoin, the local people have since searching ways to mine Bitcoin. It is a hot market within China. Why aren't they targeting their Chinese domestic market? (If you switch to Chinese on their website, you'll find many parts remain untranslated. Just click through links.) I don't think Black Arrow is doing any marketing activities to sell within mainland China. Why?

One more thing... this company is so secretive and even if they are not a scam but honestly and legitimately trying to manufacture mining machines, they can disappear easily if they fail (due to technical problems) to deliver the machines. I'm scared.

For somebody who claims to have a well-paying job there in Hawaii, you sure the hell keep repeating about how you do shit for free around here. Would you like to compare the hours you've put in for free vs. my hours I've put in for free weeding (no pun intended) out those that shouldn't have been vetted?

I notice that you keep backing that Matt Carson, the first person you've vetted. Would you be so kind as to explain to us how somebody claiming to be of MENSA stature, somehow passes Matt Carson with flying colors? Likewise, I couldn't help but notice the myriad of grammatical errors is your prose, something not really expected from a near genius. Perhaps, the quality of certain plants grown in Hawaii may have something to do with that, so I'll give you a pass in that regard.

I love how you use me stalking you, now as an excuse to not give your name. It still fuckin' amazes me how you joined this forum and two short weeks later you're the vetting guru. But, what's really amazing is the people you've vetted. Yet, with all your intelligence, you continue to claim that I'm a broke fuck wasting my life away on this here laptop, living in my dead mother's van down by the up-the-creek-sans-a-paddle.

Wanta make me happy? Follow through with the same threat you made to eve and sue my ass for libel and defamation, for I'm stating right here, right now that you can't be trusted. I'm pretty sure I'll never see such a suit, for that'll mean your real name will be on the document.

Game on, magic surfer boy!

~Bruno Kucinskas

DZ in all reality PG is pointing out stuff that many people think. Maybe they don't want to ruffle feathers or cause a rift etc. He/She has no problem getting in your face and throwing out a bunch of stuff and sees what stick. I don't know you, I don't know them, some / much / All / none of this could be true/false. But as an investor in products piece of mind knowing everything is legit helps. There comes a point in time where it just hit that spot where it could be just a interesting coincidence ya know?

Look at the Group buy forums today.. its freaking SAD.. SCAM after SCAMMER after SCUMBAG Scammer for a lack of a better term .. FUCKING people out of thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on these Avalon 2 clones. Then.. they just create OR BUY another forum account and start a new con.

Yes.

So? I'm relatively new to crypto but an oldtimer at IT, which crypto falls under.

Ask lots of folks here: I've been working my ass off for the benefit of others without anything or much in return.

I've vetted for free and helped get started many of my own competitors but I guess that's still scammy behavior if you're a creepy shtalker troll without a life. You like reading thru all my old Reddit posts trying to dig up dirt? What no mention of my WW2 veteran grandpa who fought Nazis or how I tried to give away a great paying tech job to other surfers at a national lab in the middle of a recession?

Why not dig thru my surfermag posts as KauaiDKer while you're at it? Lots of surfers (including a few legends) know me there when I was trying to give away said job. Maybe you could pretend to be a cool surfer dood and infiltrate the tribe to get them to give up personal info.

Hmm, how apropro that I recently came across this article: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

How many boxes do you check off on this "personality quiz" PG?    

DyslexicZombei's first ever public comment pertaining to Bitcoin was on Thu Jul 18 22:53:45 2013 UTC: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ilah4/where_should_my_asic_investment_go_to/cb5kcjb

Got a bunch of pics from those 4 round on my Pics site in my link. It was about 3.3 GH/s worth of hardware but it was a struggle to keep up that minimum HR.

Was the Bullet run truly "BA Prototype" devices or just Bitfury board clones?. Has anyone seen a close up photo of these things other then Bob?

I tested as a genius as a kid FWIW on the Stanford-Binet scale. I don't put much stock in high IQ correlating to success in life, but I did qualify for Mensa as a kid.

Not much pride about it, more like an observation of one's height or shoe size.

The stalker and tin hat foil supplies are off the charts!      

FYI: Back in ye olde days, no one cared if your 10 year old kid unofficially helped out around the shop.

At that time I said I had 30 years of IT and advanced sales experience. True and True. My father owned a shop on Kauai that was modestly successful for over 10 years and as a kid growing up around the shop, I was selling to and teaching adults some complex stuff which I won't discuss because you're such a uber shtalker without a life, I suppose.

My first computer used was a TRS-80 and my first home PC was a C-64. Yes, I'm what the kids consider "old", and yes I do have 30 some years of IT and sales experience, but thanks for asking. Any other questions about my IT bonafides or sales background?

As for BA: the DZMC has NO ties to Black Arrow except via bobsag3's US reseller relationship which provided us one of our 24 fundraising rounds for Prosperos and 4 rounds of prototype Prosperos (albeit with Bitfury 55nm chips) in Rounds 9-12 which ended up all being eventually replaced by ASICs from other mfgs. because there were some insurmountable problems that kept leading to failed equipment with this limited run, bleeding edge Bullet Run last fall.

FWIW, customer's had been receiving BA prototype hashrate for months in R9-12, and recently went thru a successful buyout and closeout. Also, we're in the process of refunding everyone that wants a refund that bought Prosperos via our Round 17 GB. Many folks have already received their refunds.

WTF! Still no answer? Ah, I see! It was a word problem, thus making it that much more difficult, eh, Darin? Allow me to express it as an equation: 40 - 30 = ___.

Extra credit awarded if you show your work. And, no cheating! If you cheat now in life, who knows what you'll grow up to become. Probably a vetter, vetting the first person who comes along tootin' a hookah. AND I AIN'T JUST A SAYIN'!

EXTRA, EXTRA credit given if you can name the person who said the following:

Funny you should ask, for that's why I'm back.

Somebody, don't know who  , once said...


http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/wpymo/as_a_40_yr_old_gamer_this_still_makes_me_happy_to/c5flcvc


Will somebody do the math for me so that I don't make a mistake before I continue on this crusade of proving that something's amiss? Surely, Mr. DZ didn't forget how old he is or err in how many years of IT and advanced sales experience he has under his belt, did he? If he did do the latter, then he continued the practice in a myriad other posts.

Then again, I'm just a broke asshole living in my dead mother's van down by the up-the-creek-sans-a-paddle, now getting a fresh cup of coffee to return to see who did the math for me.

Thank you in advance,

~Bruno Kucinskas (no need to not use my real name)

PS: Apologies for the large colored font, but it makes my dick hard.

Delays =scam?

You should probably not be preordering hardware.

Blackarrow has more factory photos than most companies despite being a private company. And tapeout begins in 4 days.

Seriously please do a little more research. Most of the questions/conspiracy theories in your 20 paragraphs can easily be answered by reading blackarrows post history/ecointalk/google.


Why are you so determined to prove its a scam?

I have seen those messages.

My friends and I have ordered from Black Arrow. Just like you guys, we once were firm believers that Black Arrow were a legitimate company.

After receiving that mail that we're not getting our machines by Feb. 24 *and* the fact that our refunds refunds and enquires are being ignored, caused us to re-examine this company. We found that all those evidence (mentioned in this forum and this particular thread) are really too superficial and insufficient. Compare that to companies like KncMiner, HashFast, ButterFly Labs and Cointerra, they have enough publicity (good and bad) in newspapers and magazines, their directors are known and their staff have appeared in conferences and trade shows. Black Arrow has none of that. Their business operations are too secretive (unknown directors, reporters/journalists not reporting on them (why?), lack of sufficient and thorough evidence (size of factory, photos, etc.).

If Black Arrow is a scam, they can disappear easily after 1 or 2 more "acts". The current "act" is the delaying our machines to May. Come May, and I expect them to put up their final "act" and delay again. By June or July, they will be getting more refund requests then new sales. At that time, they will eventually disappear.

If Black Arrow is a legitimate company, they are probabaly working very hard to manufacture our machines. Something can still go wrong. If they cannot produce our machines, they can still conveniently disappear because of the "secretive" nature of the business (ie. we really don't know what are the names of the directors).

If you've ordered in September/October, promised to be delivered by end of February, but the fact that it is isn't and a re-examination of all the facts of about this company should be a WAKE UP CALL. Your money is probably gone.

PG : How does DZ and Thomas fit into all of this? Since they seem to be the 3 amigos.

dang. dratted disclaimers.

The bet will be declared null and void because it will probably be a copy and paste jobie.

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/index.php?dispatch=news.list&page=2&sl=en


The unedited quote above is not only located on BA's website, but was used as their official press release. Emphasis on what the obvious errors are.

If written correctly, the following:

"The latest Black Arrow’s ASIC is a contender for making the largest chip on the market. Their engineers are confident that their design ensures highest reliability with a very low risk and lowest power consumption. When these ASICs are combined to work together, they'll perform better than their competition at a lower cost."

It'll still read like a shit-for-brains penned it, but at least it would have been grammatically correct.

your time machine landed you on the wrong side, i'm sure that post should have been made earlier.

which means i didn't lose the bet we were about to make.

:p

I bet someone starts posting in this thread with big bold text in bright colors.