Topic: Black Arrow Software real or fake? - page 2. (Read 12091 times)
I was tempted to put in an order, but running the numbers, you'll be lucky if you break even by the time it ships, and that's assuming you get close to 100% utilization. If it's as new as they claim it is..there's gonna be duds, knowing my luck I'll get one of them. Buying server time seems to give best returns for minimal risk.
Warning.
I suggest you all take a look at the Drillbit thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3898239
BlackArrow assembled the boards and look where we are today...having MAJOR issues requiring repair. Beware.
I suggest you all take a look at the Drillbit thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3898239
BlackArrow assembled the boards and look where we are today...having MAJOR issues requiring repair. Beware.
Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.
wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math
at 30% you get this
908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21
[...]
Almost correct, but with a 30% increase in difficulty, the 2016 block period is shortened equally (to below 11 days; 14/1.3=10.77). Correct calculation for 30% difficulty increase:
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date diff in mio. time frame for 2016 blocks
10 Dec 13 908 10,77
20 Dec 13 1.180 10,77
31 Dec 13 1.535 10,77
11 Jan 14 1.995 10,77
22 Jan 14 2.593 10,77
1 Feb 14 3.371 10,77
12 Feb 14 4.383 10,77
23 Feb 14 5.698 10,77
6 Mar 14 7.407 10,77
10 Dec 13 908 10,77
20 Dec 13 1.180 10,77
31 Dec 13 1.535 10,77
11 Jan 14 1.995 10,77
22 Jan 14 2.593 10,77
1 Feb 14 3.371 10,77
12 Feb 14 4.383 10,77
23 Feb 14 5.698 10,77
6 Mar 14 7.407 10,77
I expect the difficulty increase to slow down a bit. Currently there are roughly 6.5 PH/s running.
To boost that up to a difficulty of 7400 million until beginning of march, you need another 46 PH/s added to the Bitcoin network.
The total amount of PH/s (that is yet announced, but needs to be delivered) for 2014 is only a bit more than 20 PH/s.
Even with the late delivery that was announced for 2013 (and that may happen in early 2014) it can be doubted that the total network speed will reach more than 50 PH/s by beginning of march 2014.
But who knows...
For whatever my anecdote is worth, they were responsive when I placed an order on their website, and emailed me to send payment to an address, but have not responded to any further emails I have sent to them. I was not able to submit payment within 24 hours and have been trying to reach someone to resolve the status of my order.
It's been almost a week now
It's been almost a week now
try opening a support ticket and tag it as Critical.
I have been looking at Black Arrow Software from last month.Their prices are too low compared to Butterflylabs(BFL) and Kncminer:
Black Arrows' Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second) is $352 only where BFL's 50 GH/S BITCOIN MINER is $2500
Black Arrows' Prospero X-3 (2000Ghash/second) is $5950 where BFL's 600 GH/S BITCOIN MINING CARD is $4680 and Kncminer's Neptune (3000Ghash/sec) is $13000
Black Arrow's Rent-Some-Minions - 6 months for 1000Ghash/sec is $3050 and BFL's 1Ghash/sec for 1 year is $10.83 that's $5.415/6month.Now for 1000hash/sec it's $5415/6month.
As you can see in every product Black Arrow's price is just too unimaginably low.They are based in China which also makes a suspicion in me if they are legit or not.Also they don't allow group buys.They start shipping from February next year.I don't see any other provider offering anything at that price not even close to them.
They have phone numbers for China,Hong Kong,UK and US.So are they real or just a scam?Waiting to hear from specialists here.
Black Arrows' Prospero X-1 (100Ghash/second) is $352 only where BFL's 50 GH/S BITCOIN MINER is $2500
Black Arrows' Prospero X-3 (2000Ghash/second) is $5950 where BFL's 600 GH/S BITCOIN MINING CARD is $4680 and Kncminer's Neptune (3000Ghash/sec) is $13000
Black Arrow's Rent-Some-Minions - 6 months for 1000Ghash/sec is $3050 and BFL's 1Ghash/sec for 1 year is $10.83 that's $5.415/6month.Now for 1000hash/sec it's $5415/6month.
As you can see in every product Black Arrow's price is just too unimaginably low.They are based in China which also makes a suspicion in me if they are legit or not.Also they don't allow group buys.They start shipping from February next year.I don't see any other provider offering anything at that price not even close to them.
They have phone numbers for China,Hong Kong,UK and US.So are they real or just a scam?Waiting to hear from specialists here.
Same perception I had a year ago.
Ordered some ASIC miners from the BTCfpga team (USA). They tanked.
Should have bought Avalon units (China) . Still banging my head.
If you look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3884729 you will see a little way down that bobsag3 has posted many pictures of his visit to Black Arrow a few days ago.
I want hardware and "cloud-mining" so bad from them... but I also still dont know if they are reliable or not.
When asking if I can visit them, I did not get any reply, which is not a good sign.
But maybe I am wrong and just miss a good opportunity.....
Its really really hard....
When asking if I can visit them, I did not get any reply, which is not a good sign.
But maybe I am wrong and just miss a good opportunity.....
Its really really hard....
For whatever my anecdote is worth, they were responsive when I placed an order on their website, and emailed me to send payment to an address, but have not responded to any further emails I have sent to them. I was not able to submit payment within 24 hours and have been trying to reach someone to resolve the status of my order.
It's been almost a week now
It's been almost a week now
Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.
wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math
at 30% you get this
908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21
machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit.
at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill
machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money
lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775
machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made
just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill
machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well.
many ifs
Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.
I have 4 cases up to the feb 25 date
one at 30% gets to 4383 mill
two at 27% gets to 3000 mill
three at 25% gets to 2775 mill
four at 20% gets to 2260 mill
any of them could happen.
worse case 4383 best case 2260 mill.
and this has not included the price of btc will it be 200 usd 1000 usd 2000 usd
so many ifs
Do they respond to emails? They haven't with me. It's in regards to my order and if it's till. laid for me to send payment.
They do, but at a large delay. They're probably swamped with emails like minersource...probably.
It's been stated they're certain that they will deliver exactly on or near February 24th. I'm not sure if this comes from pure confidence or a highly efficient production line.
Do they respond to emails? They haven't with me. It's in regards to my order and if it's till. laid for me to send payment.
BFL prices were set a long time ago and are now completely crazy. The only reason they sell anything at those prices is because they can supply from stock, and a miner in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Black Arrows prices are probably realistic as 100G in March will not be anything to get excited about and as it seems to be made with only one ASIC it will be pretty cheap to manufacture.
Black Arrows prices are probably realistic as 100G in March will not be anything to get excited about and as it seems to be made with only one ASIC it will be pretty cheap to manufacture.
I'm tempted to buy the Minion Cloud service for 1TH worth.
If it pops off in March, and Diff is 6 billion or less, it should do the trick.
This shit does look too good to be true, with no near competitors in sight.
This could be the Chinese KNC or the Chinese BFL.
Heaven or Hell.........Purgatory is also a very real possibility.
If it pops off in March, and Diff is 6 billion or less, it should do the trick.
This shit does look too good to be true, with no near competitors in sight.
This could be the Chinese KNC or the Chinese BFL.
Heaven or Hell.........Purgatory is also a very real possibility. And you honestly expect the additional 28 PH to come online within the next 5 months to hit 4.4+ B difficulty?
Unless most vendors keep dropping the ball far more than they have so far, then yes.
If you dont, then do you think CT isnt going to be able to ship 2PH batches each month, or do you think CT and Bitmine together will have more than 50% of the market?
We've seen 7-8 PH added in the past 5 month, and only one vendor has been shipping latest gen miners. Next year there will be over 10 such vendors.
Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.
510900000 * 1.25³ = 997M or <1B
That said, instead of assuming a continuation of an exponential growth curve that fit remarkably well the past 12 months, feel free to add up all orders promised to ship in the next 6 months from 12+ vendors and see what happens. To get you started:
Cointerra: 2+ PH per batch x 5 = 10+PH
Bitmine: 4 PH before April
Asicminer: 2-20 PH
Add your own estimates for Hashfast, BFL, BlackArrow, KnC, Labgarden, Bitmain, ActMiner, Bitfury, Avalon,..
And you honestly expect the additional 28 PH to come online within the next 5 months to hit 4.4+ B difficulty?
Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.
510900000 * 1.25³ = 997M or <1B
That said, instead of assuming a continuation of an exponential growth curve that fit remarkably well the past 12 months, feel free to add up all orders promised to ship in the next 6 months from 12+ vendors and see what happens. To get you started:
Cointerra: 2+ PH per batch x 5 = 10+PH
Bitmine: 4 PH before April
Asicminer: 2-20 PH
Add your own estimates for Hashfast, BFL, BlackArrow, KnC, Labgarden, Bitmain, ActMiner, Bitfury, Avalon,..
Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.
wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math
at 30% you get this
908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21
machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit.
at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill
machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money
lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775
machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made
just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill
machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well.
many ifs
Your logic didn't work for the past three difficulty jumps otherwise we would have been at 1 billion already. Don't use doubling math.
Even if Black Arrow delivers in time,iits still 2 and a half months away.By that time bitcoin difficulty will increase so much that we wont earn coins anywhere close like we are calculating now.
wrong. black arrow is due in 60 -75 days 5 or 6 diff adjustments. do your math
at 30% you get this
908 mill now
1180 mill dec 22
1535 mill jan 4
1995 mill jan 16
2594 mill jan 28
3372 mill feb 9
4384 mill feb 21
machine comes in you have 2th it earns about .25 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would have a chance to turn a profit.
at just 27 % that feb 21 number is 3000 mill
machine comes in you earn .334 coins a day if coins stay at 1000 you would most likely make money
lastly at 25% that feb 21 number is 2775
machine comes in you earn .36 btc a day if coins are at 1000 you would get into the range of good money made
just drop done a little more to 20% you get 2260 mill
machine comes in you earn .44 btc a day at 1000 a coin you will do very well.
many ifs
does anyone have the link to the page where you put your payment details AFTER you wire money? I cant find it.
I've only ordered with btc, but they sent me an invoice and provided me with the address to sent the coin.
do you realize you can buy smaller amounts here :
and that they have an on going pro to type here
and that they have an on going pro to type here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/black-arrow-r9-12-threads-dz-miners-co-op-plz-move-s-and-discussion-here-328996 hashing made money has bugs
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedr17x-black-arrow-prospero-x-3-dzmc-exclusive-130-40ghs-335145 you can buy at 130 a share 50 shares
comes to 6500 a miner a small premium .
read carefully both threads. I have 2 shares of this. r17
read the r9 -r12 yeah it is long but it is your money. I have 11 shares of it.
If this is a real company and if the r17 buy is good all older gear sucks.
since i made money on the r9 to r12 . I grabbed some r17. I am on the fence as to purchasing 10 more shares for 400gh
Three of us are buying 50 shares, no fence, go big or GTFO
Always risk but if you waited to buy one of the X-3 units after they launched, you'd pay 4X an dnever recover unless coins go threw the roof.
Right now an x-3 will make you a few grand if it stays at 900 a coin. Late delivery will kill you.
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