Topic: BLOKFORGE- Official Canaan Distributor - page 24. (Read 24515 times)

$3,599.00  Man just barely made it in to the target price range. 


So I am assuming that the 10 for this thread are being discounted by 10%.......Right? 

@Blokforge can you confirm whether or not PayPal wul be acceptable for us based orders when the time comes (today, tomorrow)

Pass.

A 1080 ti was waiting for me today, and another arrives tomorrow along with a 580.

$2400 worth of 1080 ti's clears more than $3600 dollars of Avalon, uses less power and can mine a lot more algorithms.

Sell this miner at $2400, and even though it is less efficient than GPU's, I would buy it.

Oh trust me, the miners have already been made for this batch.   See kano's pool...

I realize you are the distributor, and I don't want to kill the messenger, but when the "first batches in the world" have technology that doesn't even match what has been on the market for nearly 2 years, its a little ridiculous to charge a premium.  This isn't Kickstarter, and this isn't some bleeding edge technology that is ultra-expensive to produce because its the first of its kind.  I assume Canaan is solvent enough to eat the initial cost of manufacture and factor it into the long term price.  On top of that, there really aren't any benefits to paying a premium.  There is still no set ship date and estimated date is over a month away!  This leads me to believe that the products aren't even manufactured yet and we are expected to bankroll a new product from a company that has a terrible record with delivering on time.   End of rant

If you are a Republican then this is a perfect example of the free market at work!  If $3600 is too high, they won't sell.  If they sell out in minutes, that problem means the price wasn't high enough

To be fair, Canaan does not control supply, it is controlled my the chip supplier.  The suppliers manufacture chips for multiple markets with high performance computing (miners) being a small part, and i am sure those of you that know the process to manufacture silicon chips know to change a production line to increase production or alter chip design is not a simple process.  Even the construction of the wafer clean room in itself is a large undertaking and commitment from the manufacturer.

Canaan could have just held all shipments until late march, but they are not.

Not sure why everyone is surprised by the pricing

Avalon hardware has always been more expensive than Bitmian

You are paying for better quality and you are buying from a reseller who needs to make a small cut as well

That theory only really works when there is supply available. All Asics companies are pumping out everything they can when they can. Some that run their own farms and pools might be holding units longer but that's neither here nor there.

Supply and demand are a clear formula, and unfortunately right now we're in the expensive side of it.

Also, seeing that anything over $2500 is too much for this unit in the current market, I'm not holding much hope that Canaan will reduce the March batches to a reasonable enough price.

The best we can do is not purchase them and send the message that these units are not priced appropriately. I've noticed Crypto-Universe still hasn't sold out of their stock either.

^^

As a recognized distributor, I assumed the fault was with Canaan. Don't think my other post was a jab at BF.

Canaan is simply asking for too much. BTC is not at the $20k USD it was and has been falling with few spikes ever since.

Us small-timers just have a hard time justifying spending more money on a miner that is less efficient than the competition. ESPECIALLY when we are all expecting the next generation from Bitmain this year.

I respect you guys have a business to run and you've already shown more focus on the community than any other distributor/manufacturer. We were all just hoping a little better of Canaan.

Well, I understand Canaan and distributors being perturbed by the resellers but now no one has a chance at getting units at a reasonable price.

The 741's already doubled in price when the market was spiking, so another 2.5x increase in price for less than 1.5x the TH while the market is struggling doesn't seem like a smart business move on Canaan's part.

Usually the way a company would handle this is by increasing supply not price gouging their customers. I can't imagine how it's good for the community to have these units only going to the people uninformed enough to buy at these prices.

And to be fair to Blokforge, we have no idea what they paid for this first batch. They could be shaking their heads just as much as we are.

Our price from canaan as well as the only other distributor that is receiving the first batch was higher, hence higher price.  You may wait for march batches for lower pricing if you wish.

Canaan pricing on their site is irrelevant when they are not for sale nor available, Pricing when actually for sale is the only relevant price.

Same answer with bitmain miners, pricing changes once available, no 14THS batches are coming in the next month at least, so it only shows last price.

Yep and the 741s on eBay. At least you get it today and don’t risk insane long delays.

I don’t know about anyone else but I’m done absorbing risks from these manufacturers with empty promises

If I’m going to get ripped off might as well just pay up he ass.

   at this point, might as well buy an S9 off ebay.

Not by much. Blokforge's price is $3,600 USD without a power supply. Crypto Universe wants EUR 3,425, or $4125 with a power supply and controller. When you add $200 for the same power supply and another $100 for a controller all in if you order from Blokforge its $3,900. About 5.3% cheaper than what they are paying in Europe.

Getting only the machine is slightly better, $3600 at Blokforge and $3800 at Crypto Universe so it would be 5.4% cheaper 

Blokforge -- I saw your obscene price of $3599 on your site today, and I must ask... Are you insane?

I'm a republican and I believe in capitalism and making a profit and all that, but based on the price that Canaan has had on their site for weeks for pallets of 821's, I estimated that single unit pricing would be in the $2500 to $2800 range.  A bit high, but I would spend that much.  

However, at $3599 you are about a thousand bucks into "making an obscene profit" territory.  I have the money, but I am not spending that much.

I am patient.  I will wait.  With the influx of 821s over the next couple months, 741 prices will drop on ebay.  I'll pick up a few for cheaper prices then.  In the meantime, I have $3000 worth of GPUs coming today from FedEx, and am going that way with my mining for now.

Despite what I write here, I'm not a fool.  I can math.  I am not one of these "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!" idiots who will pay the outrageous price.  And YES, if you pay $3599 for an 821, YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

And while I have your attention, on your site you have 13.5 TH S9's listed for $4999 and 14 TH S9's for $3199.  What the hell kind of pricing logic is that?

Maybe I will get on the site at sale time and try to buy an 821, just to see if I can get it into my cart.

And as with the last sale of 741s, some of these 821s will be on ebay by the weekend, for sale at double price, to be delivered when they receive their pre-order.  This BS must be stopped.  I will go on ebay and harass those thieving bastard sellers.

people get really creative when something like mining (set and forget it) can be sending them money..  I've been at places where an IT guy had the wool over the company to the point that he just took half the equipment out of their rack and put it in another rack in the same co-location to set up his own business and just kept saying that yeah, you got redundancy, disaster recovery, yadda yadda since they had no one to actually check until I joined them and had to make their jaws drop on the blatant arrogance

I got out of serious mining in 2014 when I started seeing prices make no sense and was way beyond the 'stupid noob ebay fool' and had to be just plane graft

And yes, I can see someone running their own business and adding miners that have nothing to do with their business and write it off like it does and not claim any BTC on their taxes..  with these prices it is the only thing that actually makes sense unless you really are laundering money which is whole other level

ROI on a miner should only be 4 months tops.. if the prices paid make it 12 months?  a whole year to hope to get your money back and then what profit on top of that?  Perhaps using a 0% credit card to convert the money you paid into bitcoin via the miner without having to go through the spotlight of Coinbase?  Sure that is another valid reason but if you are paying for the miner in BTC just to hope to get the same BTC back in a year with no other way of tilting the system in your favor.. why bother?

The first and second batches prices are higher due to limited availability and increased costs to obtain first batches in the world, March pricing will reflect increased supply.

I can't say I'm to surprised by the price, definitely glad it's lower than the EU pricing. This is just what happens when they are the only Asic machine that you can get in hand and hashing within 4 weeks (can't remember expected delivery).

I don't think that there are any other Avalon batches coming out until March; so it's a game of do you need/want one now or do you wait until late February/March to see what pricing will be.