. I get paying a premium on an Avalon over and Antminer, but the premium to me is paying the same amount of money for both, and getting less TH/s out of the Avalons.
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Bitmain had another batch of S9s this morning. Sold out in 6 minutes at a price of $2320. Although they seem impossible to get, it's a very reasonable price compared to if these were at $4k. At 10 cents per Kw/h you're looking at ~4 month ROI on the S9, the 821 would be 12 months .
I get paying a premium on an Avalon over and Antminer, but the premium to me is paying the same amount of money for both, and getting less TH/s out of the Avalons.
. I get paying a premium on an Avalon over and Antminer, but the premium to me is paying the same amount of money for both, and getting less TH/s out of the Avalons.
$4000 for a 11TH asic miner lmfao. Smoking crack I see. So... more money.. for a product that generates LESS money than the competitors... a year ago. Yea, sure. I'd rather buy up a bunch of 741's than pay $4000 for a miner that is essentially mildly better than the 741.
The mining game has mostly been for the ones that can write off a business expense or worse, launder funds into buying miners. That is why you get those crazy 'never ROI' prices.
They aren't paying straight out of their hard earned pocket money like most people hoping to do here.
With the recent boom in bitcoin price all the old shennanigans are back
So what you're saying, is that those people are doing it "correctly". Write-off the miner expense, duh!
$4000 for a 11TH asic miner lmfao. Smoking crack I see. So... more money.. for a product that generates LESS money than the competitors... a year ago. Yea, sure. I'd rather buy up a bunch of 741's than pay $4000 for a miner that is essentially mildly better than the 741.
The mining game has mostly been for the ones that can write off a business expense or worse, launder funds into buying miners. That is why you get those crazy 'never ROI' prices.
They aren't paying straight out of their hard earned pocket money like most people hoping to do here.
With the recent boom in bitcoin price all the old shennanigans are back
Based on the interest in this thread, there will probably be far more buyers from the forum than the 10 that Blokforge said they plan to offer! 
Oh well, it is still good to see that Nick and others at Blokforge are participating here!
Oh well, it is still good to see that Nick and others at Blokforge are participating here!
Yeah, I think we're all nervous to find out what the pricing is. Hopefully the 10 set aside for the forum will be limited to 1 per person so 10 different members have a chance.
Based on the interest in this thread, there will probably be far more buyers from the forum than the 10 that Blokforge said they plan to offer!
Oh well, it is still good to see that Nick and others at Blokforge are participating here!
Oh well, it is still good to see that Nick and others at Blokforge are participating here!
How does one get in on the "forum run" of the new 821s?
Well it looks like the link should be coming up any day now for the special forum run. Heres hoping we get a good crack at these first runs. As with anything the price of the A8's will come down as more, and more are released. Hopefully we can see them stay in the $3400-$3600 price range for this first batch.
Most likely yes, they should include the PSU in this batch just like CryptoUniverse did.
Well it looks like the link should be coming up any day now for the special forum run. Heres hoping we get a good crack at these first runs. As with anything the price of the A8's will come down as more, and more are released. Hopefully we can see them stay in the $3400-$3600 price range for this first batch.
I hope Blokforge can beat that price. on the 741's sale there were about $150-200 cheaper because of the shipping being free. So I will speculate that the Blokforge will sell the 821's for 3500-3700. But i would like to see it go for 3k.
Guess you'll just have to wait for the new miners then. Good luck to you.
Guess I will. My expansion will have to wait. Good job being a sheep, tough. Loving that excuse you made up for yourself to be fine with those guys f*cking you over.
Nobody f'd anyone over. You can wait for the March batch.
TA TA!
Guess you'll just have to wait for the new miners then. Good luck to you.
Guess I will. My expansion will have to wait. Good job being a sheep, tough. Loving that excuse you made up for yourself to be fine with those guys f*cking you over.
I agree, I would pay a premium for Canaan's reliability and distributors added value, but 2x antminer is insane. My point is, they are doing business, demand is huge, if they sell for less money they are stupid.
Stupid? Or rather competent and reasonable? If those 821 were 20TH/s, go for it. 16 TH/s? Still bearable. But this "new model' is nothing new. Obviously Canaan "stopped" to manufacture 741. With 741 reasonably priced on the market, who would buy 821s?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I currently own several miners, including a couple of 741s. With funds ready in place, I've been looking at Canaan's new line (like anybody else). Expected to pay premium as well. But 300% the price for 35-40% more power on 741 vs 821 is beyond ridiculous. This is such an obvious manipulation and money grab it is sickening. It is! We are talking here 11 TH/s. Eleven. That's S9 efficiency in... November 2016!
Guess you'll just have to wait for the new miners then. Good luck to you.
Any idea what is the ship date of this batch that is being sold on jan 12th?
end of Jan - Feb 9th.
I agree, I would pay a premium for Canaan's reliability and distributors added value, but 2x antminer is insane. My point is, they are doing business, demand is huge, if they sell for less money they are stupid.
Stupid? Or rather competent and reasonable? If those 821 were 20TH/s, go for it. 16 TH/s? Still bearable. But this "new model' is nothing new. Obviously Canaan "stopped" to manufacture 741. With 741 reasonably priced on the market, who would buy 821s?
I mean, don't get me wrong. I currently own several miners, including a couple of 741s. With funds ready in place, I've been looking at Canaan's new line (like anybody else). Expected to pay premium as well. But 300% the price for 35-40% more power on 741 vs 821 is beyond ridiculous. This is such an obvious manipulation and money grab it is sickening. It is! We are talking here 11 TH/s. Eleven. That's S9 efficiency in... November 2016!
The "ebay bunnies" are already here too. Check some of the "feedback" in this or Cryptouniverse's thread. People actually start to make up excuses for Canaan and their distros to come up with insane prices like that.
I guess, this must be the 3rd stage of grief kicking in.
November carried 1280 EUR for 741. January comes up with 3800 EUR for 821, around 3 TH/s difference in efficiency. That's 300% the price for 37% up in efficiency.
If any of you welcomes this, you guys are damn idiots. Let's face it. The math is weak already at this point leaving aside anything which can actually happen in 10 months, even before those units were shipped, check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27722732
Why did Canaan stop manufacturing 741s and 761? "End of line" my ass. This is a basic money grab. And an obnoxious one. New "better" series, new price tag.
I guess, this must be the 3rd stage of grief kicking in.
November carried 1280 EUR for 741. January comes up with 3800 EUR for 821, around 3 TH/s difference in efficiency. That's 300% the price for 37% up in efficiency.
If any of you welcomes this, you guys are damn idiots. Let's face it. The math is weak already at this point leaving aside anything which can actually happen in 10 months, even before those units were shipped, check: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.27722732
Why did Canaan stop manufacturing 741s and 761? "End of line" my ass. This is a basic money grab. And an obnoxious one. New "better" series, new price tag.
$4000 for a 11TH asic miner lmfao. Smoking crack I see. So... more money.. for a product that generates LESS money than the competitors... a year ago. Yea, sure. I'd rather buy up a bunch of 741's than pay $4000 for a miner that is essentially mildly better than the 741.
Look at what people pay for miners on eBay, even at this crazy price they will probably sell, so why sell them cheaper?Anyone who pays that kind of money for one of these machines is taking an enormous risk of never being able to get their money out of them. I foresee a flood of used machines hitting the market in the next 6 months from people desperate to get their money back. I’ll pay 3 grand of one of these MAX, anything more is too much of a risk.
$4000 for a 11TH asic miner lmfao. Smoking crack I see. So... more money.. for a product that generates LESS money than the competitors... a year ago. Yea, sure. I'd rather buy up a bunch of 741's than pay $4000 for a miner that is essentially mildly better than the 741.
Look at what people pay for miners on eBay, even at this crazy price they will probably sell, so why sell them cheaper?Anyone who pays that kind of money for one of these machines is taking an enormous risk of never being able to get their money out of them. I foresee a flood of used machines hitting the market in the next 6 months from people desperate to get their money back. I’ll pay 3 grand of one of these MAX, anything more is too much of a risk.
$4000 for a 11TH asic miner lmfao. Smoking crack I see. So... more money.. for a product that generates LESS money than the competitors... a year ago. Yea, sure. I'd rather buy up a bunch of 741's than pay $4000 for a miner that is essentially mildly better than the 741.
Look at what people pay for miners on eBay, even at this crazy price they will probably sell, so why sell them cheaper?
Any idea what is the ship date of this batch that is being sold on jan 12th?
I'd rather buy up a bunch of 741's than pay $4000 for a miner that is essentially mildly better than the 741.
Exactly!
They should have the 761s come to the other markets not just China.
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