BlokForge did this the right way and I don't feel they have anything to apologize for. I'm not saying this because I was one of the lucky ones. I'm saying it because it was the most fair way to do it and all the suggestions being bounced around would have caused things to go the same or worse.
(Warn people that you expect high traffic when the sale starts) - Assuming BF knew that their website would be suddenly slammed with thousands of would-be buyers, what purpose does warning everyone about it serve? The end result is the same and we all knew that everyone was going to be on there trying to order anyways.
(Advise How Many Units are available) - What is gained by knowing how many units they have available? If you knew there were less than 100, what would you have done differently? Scarcity breeds more interest, not less.
(Limit to 1 per person) - I like that they set a limit. I can't say I like it being as low as one miner, though. A more appropriate method of limiting order sizes would be to related it to the total number of miners available. If there are few to go around, then make an appropriate limit. Consider also that BF creates more work for themselves because the smaller limit increases the number of orders to ship, payments to handle/receive, and increases the number of potential shipping issues.
THANK YOU FOR THE LIMIT, BLOKFORGE! Seriously. That really helps those of us that do not have tens of thousands of dollars to throw around or the ability to write a script to automatically order dozens of units as soon as they're available).
(Don't let miners be added to the cart if there are none left) - I believe the issue here was that people were in the process of buying the same miners you were able to add to your cart. There is no way around this except that you can remove any units in someone's cart from the available inventory. That is a bad idea because of the high-traffic issues and people constantly hitting F5, which can increase the number units they end up adding to their cart. That is alleviated somewhat with the order limit, but I've only ever had negative experiences with websites that do this.
(Make a Lottery/Queue System) - I think the lottery and the queue are both not-great ideas. There will be rumors that BlokForge is picking friends or family or that they're not randomizing the selection in the correct way. I've never known any other seller (in any private industry/business) to do something similar. And you're not thinking about just how many people would be in that lottery...
For the most part, all of us were on equal footing tonight. All of us were frantically trying to F5 our way to the "Submit Order" screen. And you were only competing with those that were actually online and trying to get the order. If there was a lottery/queue, then just think about how many people would just be adding themselves to the list. Now you're competing against 5,000 or 10,000... They already limited it to 2 per customer, which created a better chance than any of us has ever had trying to catch an order through Canaan.io directly.
I'm not trying to pander, but I honestly don't know how anyone could have expected BlokForge to handle that better. Honestly, I'm surprised their website didn't completely crash, since I doubt the servers were set-up for that much traffic. We are in a new world of BTC Mining. Even if you didn't get any tonight, you at least had a chance.
Topic: BLOKFORGE- Official Canaan Distributor - page 33. (Read 24515 times)
Lottery sounds like an interesting idea, but what about a queue? You guys know you are going to have a nightmare fulfilling 821 orders, why not letting us to get in line sooner? Please come up with something better than an F5 fight for the 821 sale...
I'm actually not a big fan of the lottery system. I'd rather just rely on hardwired speed and being prepared.
The best thing I've seen a company do is announce the day and timeframe (but not an exact time), then tweet out a special link once it's available for sale. That way less people are stressing the site with traffic and bots can't just monitor the listing page waiting for stock.
Either way, people still get upset if they don't get what they're trying to buy, so it's kinda catch 22.
I really just support whichever method gives the people who are plugged in and following the company a better shot at success.
The best thing I've seen a company do is announce the day and timeframe (but not an exact time), then tweet out a special link once it's available for sale. That way less people are stressing the site with traffic and bots can't just monitor the listing page waiting for stock.
Either way, people still get upset if they don't get what they're trying to buy, so it's kinda catch 22.
I really just support whichever method gives the people who are plugged in and following the company a better shot at success.
How hard would a lottery system be? People email to be included in the week prior to the drawing, they get assigned a number, then winners are drawn?
I guess it would be a pain to contact the "winners" afterwards only to find that half no longer have the $ available or never had it, then you have to draw more winners.
I don't know.
Blokforge, put me #1 on the list for any miners whose payments don't clear to be relisted, I have $$$ waiting for you! And bitcoins!
I guess it would be a pain to contact the "winners" afterwards only to find that half no longer have the $ available or never had it, then you have to draw more winners.
I don't know.
Blokforge, put me #1 on the list for any miners whose payments don't clear to be relisted, I have $$$ waiting for you! And bitcoins!
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units We did do this in the newsletter, not sure how this helps or not though, still would have the same amount of traffic.
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in If only we knew
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart) We are going to get with developers on this part, problem is when units are in limbo from credit card payments that have not yet been approved the screen still shows in stock, even though quantity on the backend is depleted, just a function of the cart we will fine tune[/color]
4) Limit to 1 per user We can consider this, even though we had hundreds of hate mail for limiting at all
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet This is actually an idea we can toss around, not sure how would function in practicality but is interesting
Has the window passed for any non-payed coin orders to be relisted? Was refreshing at the 200 min mark but didn't see anything pop up.
Sitting on the computer 10 minutes prior the selling and still no buy. the site was dead at one point. Poor work there Blokforge. 
Wish there is something we could say here that we did wrong, but over 2000 people trying to purchase less than 100 units at the exact same minute, not all orders can get processed.
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart)
4) Limit to 1 per user
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units We did do this in the newsletter, not sure how this helps or not though, still would have the same amount of traffic.
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in If only we knew
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart) We are going to get with developers on this part, problem is when units are in limbo from credit card payments that have not yet been approved the screen still shows in stock, even though quantity on the backend is depleted, just a function of the cart we will fine tune[/color]
4) Limit to 1 per user We can consider this, even though we had hundreds of hate mail for limiting at all
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet This is actually an idea we can toss around, not sure how would function in practicality but is interesting
I have an easy solution to this. All members who posted in this thread get in on the lottery
Pm me....
Blokforge I commend you on your pricing. You could have sold these for $2k, and still would have sold out in minutes. You kept true to your pricing. You did however cancel my Amazon backorder 
j/k
I will definitely try, and get in on your A8 run. Just have extra servers ready to handle the traffic for the run to the checkout.
j/k I will definitely try, and get in on your A8 run. Just have extra servers ready to handle the traffic for the run to the checkout.
Sitting on the computer 10 minutes prior the selling and still no buy. the site was dead at one point. Poor work there Blokforge.
Wish there is something we could say here that we did wrong, but over 2000 people trying to purchase less than 100 units at the exact same minute, not all orders can get processed.
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart)
4) Limit to 1 per user
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units We did do this in the newsletter, not sure how this helps or not though, still would have the same amount of traffic.
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in If only we knew
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart) We are going to get with developers on this part, problem is when units are in limbo from credit card payments that have not yet been approved the screen still shows in stock, even though quantity on the backend is depleted, just a function of the cart we will fine tune[/color]
4) Limit to 1 per user We can consider this, even though we had hundreds of hate mail for limiting at all
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet This is actually an idea we can toss around, not sure how would function in practicality but is interesting
I am subscribed to your newsletter I have been waiting patiently for an announcement like you instructed. My newsletter announcement never came. I ain't mad at ya (in my Tupac voice). But I can say that this left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope things are handled better with the 821's.
Sitting on the computer 10 minutes prior the selling and still no buy. the site was dead at one point. Poor work there Blokforge.
Wish there is something we could say here that we did wrong, but over 2000 people trying to purchase less than 100 units at the exact same minute, not all orders can get processed.
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart)
4) Limit to 1 per user
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units We did do this in the newsletter, not sure how this helps or not though, still would have the same amount of traffic.
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in If only we knew
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart) We are going to get with developers on this part, problem is when units are in limbo from credit card payments that have not yet been approved the screen still shows in stock, even though quantity on the backend is depleted, just a function of the cart we will fine tune[/color]
4) Limit to 1 per user We can consider this, even though we had hundreds of hate mail for limiting at all
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet This is actually an idea we can toss around, not sure how would function in practicality but is interesting
I have an easy solution to this. All members who posted in this thread get in on the lottery
Sitting on the computer 10 minutes prior the selling and still no buy. the site was dead at one point. Poor work there Blokforge.
Wish there is something we could say here that we did wrong, but over 2000 people trying to purchase less than 100 units at the exact same minute, not all orders can get processed.
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart)
4) Limit to 1 per user
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units We did do this in the newsletter, not sure how this helps or not though, still would have the same amount of traffic.
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in If only we knew
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart) We are going to get with developers on this part, problem is when units are in limbo from credit card payments that have not yet been approved the screen still shows in stock, even though quantity on the backend is depleted, just a function of the cart we will fine tune[/color]
4) Limit to 1 per user We can consider this, even though we had hundreds of hate mail for limiting at all
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet This is actually an idea we can toss around, not sure how would function in practicality but is interesting
People bidding on that ebay auction are losing it, they have such a hard-on to get a miner, that they lose sight of the math. There is no way a 741 is worth $2000, much less $4000. Let some sucker have it. That bidder has got to be some idiot husband who works in an office and got permission from his wife to try "this bitcoin thing", having no idea of what is involved.
Things always sell for much much more on eBay. It's been like that for as long as I can remember, since I got into Bitcoin a few years ago. There's also people that mine temporarily and return the miners or something of the sort. eBay sellers actually take quite a bit of risk even selling as I think you already know. Sitting on the computer 10 minutes prior the selling and still no buy. the site was dead at one point. Poor work there Blokforge.
Wish there is something we could say here that we did wrong, but over 2000 people trying to purchase less than 100 units at the exact same minute, not all orders can get processed.
1) Announce BEFORE the sale that you have 100 units
2) Announce BEFORE the sale that you expect 2000 maniacs to try to log in
3) Do not allow us to add to cart if there are none left (had us dancing when we saw them in the cart)
4) Limit to 1 per user
5) Design some kind of lottery system for us poor country folk with dial up internet
People bidding on that ebay auction are losing it, they have such a hard-on to get a miner, that they lose sight of the math. There is no way a 741 is worth $2000, much less $4000. Let some sucker have it. That bidder has got to be some idiot husband who works in an office and got permission from his wife to try "this bitcoin thing", having no idea of what is involved.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-741-ASIC-Miners-7-3-THs-from-Canaan-w-PSU/222764755834?hash=item33ddd06b7a:g:0GAAAOSwpzJaPAJa
^^^This one was going for 3k before the sale. It has jumped since then. You cannot compete with these prices. It is almost time to sell for an insane profit. .....almost
^^^This one was going for 3k before the sale. It has jumped since then. You cannot compete with these prices. It is almost time to sell for an insane profit. .....almost
Sitting on the computer 10 minutes prior the selling and still no buy. the site was dead at one point. Poor work there Blokforge.
Wish there is something we could say here that we did wrong, but over 2000 people trying to purchase less than 100 units at the exact same minute, not all orders can get processed.
In emailing with Nick at blokforge over the past week, he claimed that they had "less than 100" units coming in for 741s, and 1500 people on the waiting list. All I know is that I didn't get one despite herculean efforts on my end during their half-assed "sale" this evening.
Anyone thinking of reselling their 741s? PM me first, I have cash and bitcoin waiting and out of principle I refuse to pay the insane ebay prices. But I will give you a mild profit.
Anyone thinking of reselling their 741s? PM me first, I have cash and bitcoin waiting and out of principle I refuse to pay the insane ebay prices. But I will give you a mild profit.
The miner manufacturer's will never allow supply to catch up with demand. Bitmain, Canaan, all the others... they're all mining with their own hardware. They make a TON by having access to so many more of the highest efficiency miners available (at cost!).
I don't see it changing ever. They further legitimized BTC by allowing BTC Futures trading on the NYSE. Now everyone sees the crazy swings and potential profit to be made. There are a lot of people that only know to go to eBay to look for the miners... and they are willing to pay the insane prices! So not only are us smaller guys competing against each other and the medium to large mining operations, but now we're competing with every idiot with too much money and an eBay account.
I don't see it changing ever. They further legitimized BTC by allowing BTC Futures trading on the NYSE. Now everyone sees the crazy swings and potential profit to be made. There are a lot of people that only know to go to eBay to look for the miners... and they are willing to pay the insane prices! So not only are us smaller guys competing against each other and the medium to large mining operations, but now we're competing with every idiot with too much money and an eBay account.
This is just the beginning!
It is going to be like this from here on out. Wait until the A8 is released. It will sell out within minutes just like this. The websites servers will not be capable of handling the traffic to purchase one of these machines. I am pretty sure that blokforge had at least a pallet for sale today.
It is going to be like this from here on out. Wait until the A8 is released. It will sell out within minutes just like this. The websites servers will not be capable of handling the traffic to purchase one of these machines. I am pretty sure that blokforge had at least a pallet for sale today.
I agree.
It is becoming harder and harder to buy miner's with the crazy demand and I can't see it changing any time soon.
I didn't get any of the 741's and the last few batches of Pangolin M3 have gone on sale and been sold out before you can even add the items to your cart.
Pangolin had 200-300 machine's for sale yesterday which sold out in seconds.
Get used to the refresh button buys.
Each time you press it cross your fingers and hope for the best.
Perhaps by late January or some time in February demand will catch supply and we can stock up on hardware...but maybe not.
This is just the beginning!
It is going to be like this from here on out. Wait until the A8 is released. It will sell out within minutes just like this. The websites servers will not be capable of handling the traffic to purchase one of these machines. I am pretty sure that blokforge had at least a pallet for sale today.
It is going to be like this from here on out. Wait until the A8 is released. It will sell out within minutes just like this. The websites servers will not be capable of handling the traffic to purchase one of these machines. I am pretty sure that blokforge had at least a pallet for sale today.
Canaan won't handle orders less than 60 units, so unless this was a special case, it was at least one pallet. Still, that's only 30 people that were able to order if it was only one pallet.
They just increased the price of the s9 to $5000 as well... does not bode well for the A8 release.
I know it will suck, but I think they should limit the order to one per customer. Two is great, but adding an additional happy customer is better.
This is just the beginning!
It is going to be like this from here on out. Wait until the A8 is released. It will sell out within minutes just like this. The websites servers will not be capable of handling the traffic to purchase one of these machines. I am pretty sure that blokforge had at least a pallet for sale today.
It is going to be like this from here on out. Wait until the A8 is released. It will sell out within minutes just like this. The websites servers will not be capable of handling the traffic to purchase one of these machines. I am pretty sure that blokforge had at least a pallet for sale today.
Canaan won't handle orders less than 60 units, so unless this was a special case, it was at least one pallet. Still, that's only 30 people that were able to order if it was only one pallet.
They just increased the price of the s9 to $5000 as well... does not bode well for the A8 release.
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