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Topic: Both Bitcoin-24 and Mtgox having problems in the EU - page 3. (Read 14655 times)

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Oh ok. But why the fuck raid his home? Can't they just ask for info from him since it is clear that he shouldn't be held suspect in this case.
I think we're being f*cked for real here, if they start a crackdown like this on the exchanges stating things like terrorism and money laundering. We don't stand a chance if someone doesn't go forward and talks with the governments like grown-ups. Doesn't Bitcoin have a Foundation? Can't they speak against this kind of thing?

The exchanges should open bank accounts in countries outside of the EU. Europe needs money.
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I don't understand what the accusation is? They must have an accusation and proof to raid someones home. Is it fraud, money laundering or financing terrorism? If it's the first one then it's nothing. But the other two means something big is about to happen.

Ah well.
If I read it right, the letter apologetically explains that doing a search was the only option they have when dealing with an accusation of such a strong crime.

Like "we need to sandpaper the inside of your anus, but we say sorry first".
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Oh ok. But why the fuck raid his home? Can't they just ask for info from him since it is clear that he shouldn't be held suspect in this case.
I think we're being f*cked for real here, if they start a crackdown like this on the exchanges stating things like terrorism and money laundering. We don't stand a chance if someone doesn't go forward and talks with the governments like grown-ups. Doesn't Bitcoin have a Foundation? Can't they speak against this kind of thing?
sr. member
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Why raid his home?

Make an example? Who knows. Because they can.
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The latter document reads that fraud is suspected. "The accusation is that he is neither willing nor able to obtain the internet-currency Bitcoin for his customers."

I don't really know the Bitcoin-24 situation. Doesn't look like anti-Bitcoin reasoning in there. Huh

I read the subtext the same. Maybe someone wants to do a paypal style fraud on him? Someone bought coins and told the police he never got them?Huh
Have I missed any public accusations?
What happened is that someone bought bitcoins in the bitcoin-24 exchange with stolen bank accounts, using the e-banking transfers, in Deutsche Bank I think, and someone must have initiated a lawsuit, probably the hacked account owners.
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Oh ok. But why the fuck raid his home? Can't they just ask for info from him since it is clear that he shouldn't be held suspect in this case.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner

The latter document reads that fraud is suspected. "The accusation is that he is neither willing nor able to obtain the internet-currency Bitcoin for his customers."

I don't really know the Bitcoin-24 situation. Doesn't look like anti-Bitcoin reasoning in there. Huh

I read the subtext the same. Maybe someone wants to do a paypal style fraud on him? Someone bought coins and told the police he never got them?Huh
Have I missed any public accusations?
What happened is that someone bought bitcoins in the bitcoin-24 exchange with stolen bank accounts, using the e-banking transfers, in Deutsche Bank I think, and someone must have initiated a lawsuit, probably the hacked account owners.

something similar happened to cavitrex a while back when they started taking  e-banking deposits.  cavitrex didn't give any details; all they said is that due to fraud they could no longer accept this form of deposits.
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I don't understand what the accusation is? They must have an accusation and proof to raid someones home. Is it fraud, money laundering or financing terrorism? If it's the first one then it's nothing. But the other two means something big is about to happen.
legendary
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We need Switzerland based exchange

You have one in Austria, is called virwox.com
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I read the subtext the same. Maybe someone wants to do a paypal style fraud on him? Someone bought coins and told the police he never got them?Huh
Have I missed any public accusations?
What happened is that someone bought bitcoins in the bitcoin-24 exchange with stolen bank accounts, using the e-banking transfers, in Deutsche Bank I think, and someone must have initiated a lawsuit, probably the hacked account owners.
legendary
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Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf


I only have some basic German but:

1. (April 9th) seems to be a notification from for the Polish authorities of the Polish bank account being blocked until July 8th 2013. He has 7 days to reply although I don't understand what happens after he replies.
2. (April 16th) seems to be a written reply from his lawyer, saying that his account was used to receive money in payment for virtual currency "bitcoins" from people mostly from Germany and from the company MTGOX POLAND INC.
3. (April 16th) seems to be a confirmation from the German authorities that his apartment and possessions have been searched (!)

Doesn't look good Sad

what are they looking for??? the bitcoins!?

LOL

legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf

The latter document reads that fraud is suspected. "The accusation is that he is neither willing nor able to obtain the internet-currency Bitcoin for his customers."

I don't really know the Bitcoin-24 situation. Doesn't look like anti-Bitcoin reasoning in there. Huh

hmmm will be interesting to see how this develops

i would speculate that, to many users of this exchange have tried to file charge backs claiming they never got their bitcoins or their account was never credited.

now the bank thinks the exchange is  a fraud...
 
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hero member
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Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf


I only have some basic German but:

1. (April 9th) seems to be a notification from for the Polish authorities of the Polish bank account being blocked until July 8th 2013. He has 7 days to reply although I don't understand what happens after he replies.
2. (April 16th) seems to be a written reply from his lawyer, saying that his account was used to receive money in payment for virtual currency "bitcoins" from people mostly from Germany and from the company MTGOX POLAND INC.
3. (April 16th) seems to be a confirmation from the German authorities that his apartment and possessions have been searched (!)

Doesn't look good Sad
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
The first is by definition not flawed.
Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf

The latter document reads that fraud is suspected. "The accusation is that he is neither willing nor able to obtain the internet-currency Bitcoin for his customers."

I don't really know the Bitcoin-24 situation. Doesn't look like anti-Bitcoin reasoning in there. Huh

I read the subtext the same. Maybe someone wants to do a paypal style fraud on him? Someone bought coins and told the police he never got them?Huh
Have I missed any public accusations?
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1002
Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf

The latter document reads that fraud is suspected. "The accusation is that he is neither willing nor able to obtain the internet-currency Bitcoin for his customers."

I don't really know the Bitcoin-24 situation. Doesn't look like anti-Bitcoin reasoning in there. Huh
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
The first is by definition not flawed.
Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf


I did have a read through all documents,
He seems accused of a mixture of froud/moneylaundering/financing terrorism and
hope that someshit will stick, basic routine I guess.
They locked the bank accounts and can do so "legally" for up to 3 months.
One of the documents describes the "schema" he allegedly used (i.e. transfering
money around and it all has to do something with this digital currency called bitcoin).
So it seems they raided him and his company "legally" and get to enjoy themself
sorting out for "evidence".
Meanwhile his layer protests in the most beautiful obscure legaltalk that warbs minds.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Is it impossible/difficult to wire money from the Eurozone to exchanges located outside, such as the Chinese exchange, or an American exchange?

What kind of controls are in place?
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
Simon Hausdorf updated the bitcoin-24 site with some new information, and it seems he's confident it will work again...Hope so, as I had money there.
Can anyone translate this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Beschluss%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/Einspruch%20Scan_geschwaerzt.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2329063/beschluss_durchsuchung_geschwaerzt.pdf
full member
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Merit: 100
Justice as a Service Infrastructure
This bad news comes at a bad time..just after the crash and before any real stability has been reached (40% up and down moves in last few days). At a time when the community and the outside public are looking for signs of strength to reassure them, this is not what we needed.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
The first is by definition not flawed.
we have passed being ignored
we have passed being laughed at

next up: they fight us

tune in also the upcomming season: they join us
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