Topic: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later (Read 3816 times)
I did not beg over pm ok i used the account for posting and after that i sold it to twipple .. why i beg for only 0.025? when i have much in my wallet .. the heck dude you are mad ..
May 26, 2015, 03:36:45 AM
Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me ..
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold").
Since I donot see you replying, I would like you to consider this. I provided you with all the proof and the time stamps of the message that was sent to you, and the message that was sent to me with the account details. All prove that it was the previous account holder who had sent that message to you. But why even after all that is it not evident that it was Ume who sent the message ?
May 25, 2015, 06:21:36 PM
You wanted proof of the password change at first
Twipple, it appears you will never STOP forcing me to repeat myself, never STOP ignoring what I actually said and never STOP engaging in revisionist history, so I'm done with your endless BS. /unwatch
Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached.
the preponderance has not been reached.
Well you said you wanted the IP proof, and thats exactly what I requested and got for you. Then how has your preponderance not been reached ?
You are also choosing to ignore any proof I am giving you proving that it was indeed Ume who sent the message to you.
May 25, 2015, 06:00:36 PM
You wanted proof of the password change at first
Well you said you wanted the IP proof, and thats exactly what I requested and got for you.
Twipple, it appears you will never STOP forcing me to repeat myself, never STOP ignoring what I actually said and never STOP engaging in revisionist history, so I'm done with your endless BS. /unwatch
Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached.
the preponderance has not been reached.
May 25, 2015, 04:07:36 PM
I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof .Twipple is a Full Member as of now, NOT Senior. I don't foresee Quickseller removing his trust, so Twipple will remain screwed on trust no matter what. And I really FUCKING HATE HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF:
I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals?
It will turn to a senior within the week. I don't understand why you wouldn't remove the negative trust if I am giving you sufficient proof that it was Ume who begged from the account and is the person who deserves the negative trust. If you want, I can offer you money for it, but can't do anything more.
What more proof do you want to prove that it was Ume ?
You wanted proof of the password change at first, which I specially had to request from theymos, and I provided it to you. I don't see any other reason for you to not remove the negative trust.
May 25, 2015, 04:04:46 PM
Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me ..
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold"). Twipple should be nuked/permabanned.
*Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
And Why is that ? I bought the account. Accounts don't get permabanned for negative trust or begging. I also have enough evidence to prove it was Ume.
May 25, 2015, 02:15:09 PM
Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me ..
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
Negative feedback is irrelevant. Someone burned Twipple by begging from it the same day that it was sold (or "sold"). Twipple should be nuked/permabanned.
*Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
May 25, 2015, 02:04:13 PM
Well sir if you have any questions to Ume you can ask me ..
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
i forgot the password lol
also , if twipple ask for refund i can refund even more. but with negative feed i cant sorry.
May 25, 2015, 02:01:47 PM
I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof .Twipple is a Full Member as of now, NOT Senior. I don't foresee Quickseller removing his trust, so Twipple will remain screwed on trust no matter what. And I really FUCKING HATE HAVING TO REPEAT MYSELF:
I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals?
May 25, 2015, 10:47:52 AM
I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
This would. But if you look at it the other way, the trust that you and Quickseller added was in March, and the account was sold at January end, and is now a Snr Member. But Still yeah a refund would be fine. But would be better if you can sort it out, that I am willing to provide you all proof . *Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
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As I hinted at here, anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops.
Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently?
Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;all
Well, Time Zone can be changed, but I am more than willing to have an escrow log in to both accounts to make sure the time zones are same, and have them confirm that the message that I received from Ume, was after he sent you that message.
May 21, 2015, 05:57:04 PM
I thought in the shower, maybe it would be best if Ume refunded whoever bought Twipple, Twipple got nuked/permabanned*, and whoever's posting on Twipple now simply used one of their other accounts from now on.
*Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
*Because whoever did the begging on the Twipple account lit a time-delay fuse to detonate a bomb after the "account sale", which cannot be proven actually occurred, by a preponderance of evidence.
May 21, 2015, 05:18:10 PM
The shitstorm about trust ratings is happening because:
1. Perfect opportunity to bump post count. The reason behind most posts nowadays.
2. This forum is no longer about Bitcoin, it's about scratching out a living from spam and second-rate drama.
1. Perfect opportunity to bump post count. The reason behind most posts nowadays.
2. This forum is no longer about Bitcoin, it's about scratching out a living from spam and second-rate drama.
Hmm...
- We pay 0.0007 BTC per post (max 0.035/week).
That's 50 paid posts per week max, but...
Rules
- You must have no negative feedback points
- You must have no negative feedback points
So no posts can be claimed for pay. Why even have that sig on the account then?
May 21, 2015, 04:30:10 PM
-snip- If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps).
-snip-Account sales should be banned here -snip-Obvious solution is obvious. And yet... It'll never happen.
Maybe after we hit some magic number of Meta topics over account sales turning to shit.
As I hinted at here, anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops.
Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently?
Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;all
oh I don't know why I never offsetted my time zone. That's probably really useful.
May 21, 2015, 04:16:01 PM
-snip- If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps).
-snip-Account sales should be banned here -snip-Obvious solution is obvious. And yet... It'll never happen.
Maybe after we hit some magic number of Meta topics over account sales turning to shit.
As I hinted at here, anybody can change their forum timezone to make screenshotted posts/PMs appear to be at different times (at intervals +/- 1 hour or more) without needing (and being detected as) Photoshops.
Why the obsession with having multiple accounts with stale positive ratings and negs & neutrals most recently?
Minor trust score algorithm change - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0;all
May 21, 2015, 03:49:18 PM
^ Less than 3 hours later (and after I believe I originally negrated for the begging - I am always awake at the time it was received), the password is changed via TOR exit node
....
PS: This whole thing is for that PM. How about I send you some money ? Anyone in the right mind wouldn't actually be sending that PM , when he knows it can get a negative trust because of it. And I can't help if Ume was stupid enough to do that.
May 21, 2015, 03:41:27 PM
Just changed my forum timezone to UTC so I can correlate with the seclog entries.
^ 2015-01-31 08:18:56 UTC
^ Less than 3 hours later (and after I believe I originally negrated for the begging - I am always awake at the time it was received), the password is changed via TOR exit node ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203.
Not going to go on a witch hunt negrating a whole bunch of accounts* that weren't the same exact one that PMed me to beg.
* https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ume-366936 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umekhan-503772 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lolled-386380 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dumbum-464674 and all the ones listed in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9875630
hey can you give me some btc as a firned ?
^ 2015-01-31 08:18:56 UTC
Code:
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| UTC Time | ip | type |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| 2015-01-31 10:53:13 | 91.196.48.203 | Password |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
^ Less than 3 hours later (and after I believe I originally negrated for the begging - I am always awake at the time it was received), the password is changed via TOR exit node ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203.
Not going to go on a witch hunt negrating a whole bunch of accounts* that weren't the same exact one that PMed me to beg.
* https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ume-366936 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umekhan-503772 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lolled-386380 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dumbum-464674 and all the ones listed in https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9875630
May 21, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete.
Ruh roh.
https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz
2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4.
25- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203
31- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203
What about it ? Does using TOR mean that he and I are the same person ? How does that logic come into play now ? I use TOR because I did not wish to disclose my identity to my other account to any one on the forum.
If thats conclusive for you that it proves Ume and I are the same person . Go ahead give the same negative rep to Ume, as according to you we are the same person.
Doesn't it make sense that he and I are not the same person, because I am the one who started the scam accusation against him ?
What good will it do to me, to fake the sale ? Did I fake it to beg from you and get some penny bitcoin in exchange for letting my account get a negative rep ?
Please tell me how it makes any sense ?
The best I can offer is come to an online chat and let me explain it to you live, without having Quickseller here just post bullshit to manipulate what I am trying to say. I will also start a new thread tomorrow Off Meta, which I will keep self Moderated for the discussion.
May 21, 2015, 03:34:46 PM
You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete.
Ruh roh.
https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz
2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4.
Thanks for being a fan quickseller, I am sorry you have no life or wife, or any living social life around you, and are forced to earn the money by just posting here.
May 21, 2015, 03:29:45 PM
You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete.
Ruh roh.
https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz
2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4.
May 21, 2015, 03:25:43 PM
You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete.
Ruh roh.
https://collector.torproject.org/archive/exit-lists/exit-list-2015-01.tar.xz
2015-01-25-05-02-07 & 2015-01-31-00-02-02 have IP #4.
25- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203
31- ECBBE1D6832FFAFC8FA1344E13BF4D252D477F61 91.196.48.203
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