@TheButterZone , please let me know what other proof you want, and how you want to proceed with this. I already provided you with the Password change log, that you requested, and the PM Log. The next thing I can do is, have an escrow log in to the account and verify everything, which I also offered before.
I am heading out, and will await your reply.
Topic: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later - page 2. (Read 3816 times)
May 21, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
May 21, 2015, 03:12:48 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ?
Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you.
No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont ..
TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ?
Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money .
in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust.
Giving loans.
so this means i have enough bitcoins ,
@TBZ, PM me and I will be happy to provide you another definite proof that Twipple and Ume are not the same person.
And i guess you are going to make a scam accusation against Ume , because of (LYCAN) i have proof of that too .. that its get hacked , gl dude.. i think you have nothing do rather then making scam accusation against me . GOOD LUCK
May 21, 2015, 03:09:57 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ?
Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you.
No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont ..
TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ?
Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money .
in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust.
Giving loans.
so this means i have enough bitcoins ,
@TBZ, PM me and I will be happy to provide you another definite proof that Twipple and Ume are not the same person.
May 21, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ?
Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you.
No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont ..
TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ?
Well there is no such reason that i ask for some shit money .
in the mean time, I was running an exchange For Pakistani`s you can check my trust.
Giving loans.
so this means i have enough bitcoins ,
May 21, 2015, 03:03:30 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ?
Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you.
No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont ..
TheButterZone , how would you like to proceed on this ?
May 21, 2015, 03:00:41 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message to TheButterZone ?
Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and Tdowns account and from the time of the messages prove that it was you.
No i do not admit that i sent message to TheButterZone , maybe before asking for loan the Scammer(twipple) sent the pm for begging but i dont ..
May 21, 2015, 02:59:41 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
Can you admit you sent that message(begging) to TheButterZone ?
Just incase you don't I would be happy to have an escrow , login to my account, and the account I bought the account from and from the time of the messages prove that it was you.
May 21, 2015, 02:58:02 PM
No reason for making this scam thread about me ..
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
1) I forget the password of my Ume account lol.
2) Twipple , when he saw that the twipple account scammed me over 0.025 he said me that i,ll buy your account, the starting price was from 0.04 i guess. I posted like 5-20 because i know that the account has some potential while looking at its date of registeration . after that when i went to 110+ activity which was near to FM . he bought this account at 0.05.
3) Getting negative feedback after 1-2 months . is not my fault, he know that its a scammer account who just scammed me for 0.025 why did he buy ,
4) I just pm`ed theymos with my signed message to recover my account , if i get into it i have all the pm`s saved in my account.
If you have further questions to ask me then i m here,
May 21, 2015, 02:45:42 PM
You should be able to check for tor exit nodes on the tor projects website (I assume) for VPNs that is much more difficult. I believe that you can even get VPN gateways of residential IP addresses with some services (http://lowendtalk.com/discussion/27897/vpn-service-that-provides-ip-s-that-look-like-a-residential-isp) so any list of VPN IP addresses would be incomplete.
May 21, 2015, 02:45:24 PM
No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached.
What you wanted was the log for PM change. The PM change log doesn't show the IP anyways, which I provided to you as a courtesy and theymos didn't. How is it inconclusive in anyway ?
May 21, 2015, 02:43:12 PM
While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt.
Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way.
Ok, Firstly, I do not wish to let this discussion affect the negative trust on my account by TBZ in anyway, as its not related to this in anyway, so if you want to discuss it through, then PM me. I will just do it one last time for you. Obviously, I wouldn't have used my original account. I actually bought the account to prove that there was something fishy, and since I was also getting it for the market price(Note , it was 0.05 for a Member acccount ) , I didn't mind. And him pointing out would not ruin my credibility, as its not scamming to buy accounts.
Additionally the fact that Ume is almost always around at roughly the same time you are around to back up your statements/claims makes me further suspicious that you are somehow associated with him despite the evidence to the contrary above.
I thought we were over with this phase. I started the initial scam accusation against him, and it was also during the loan with him that an address was posted. Being around at the same time is not my fault. Just because you Quickseller spend your life on the forum, and are online at the same time with another guy, doesn't mean you are him.
May 21, 2015, 02:37:37 PM
No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
With only a log of these ridiculous password changes being inconclusive, the preponderance has not been reached.
I started a scam accusation against Ume, for couple of things. Which should make it obvious that he and I are not the same person. The thread was started before any negative trust came on either Ume or Twipple.
I could have sworn my initial negative on Twipple (which might have showed under untrusted feedback) was on Jan 31 2015, the day I got the begging PM, and I deleted/replaced it later to shorten my Dropbox URL. Is there a ratings log that shows removals?
Assuming that none of the IP addresses can be linked to a known tor exit node or a VPN then it is most likely the account was sold.
Where can I input the IP addresses to detect those links?
May 21, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
How many hours of everyone's time has been wasted by account selling and throwing theories around about scammer alts, whether negs should be removed, etc? If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps).
How many hours of everyone's time has been wasted by account selling and throwing theories around about scammer alts, whether negs should be removed, etc? If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps).
Yeah, proxy can be used. If the OP tried to fake this account sale, I don't see a huge amount risked here as I don't think he even made a good amount in BTC by faking this sale or scamming anyone here. If this case is true, such a person needs treatment. I've never come across such a rare case in my life.
Account sales should be banned here else such cases would keep coming up and the admin would need to provide evidences for such scams. Here I can't even say if I am talking to 5 different people on my thread or if it's one person. I actually have spoken to 3 different members on this forum for a deal and now I realized the 3 members were actually only 1 person who owns more 4-5 accounts.
May 21, 2015, 02:36:43 PM
While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt.
Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way.
Additionally the fact that Ume is almost always around at roughly the same time you are around to back up your statements/claims makes me further suspicious that you are somehow associated with him despite the evidence to the contrary above.
May 21, 2015, 02:30:09 PM
While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt.
Unethical how ? I just bought an account from him, at the right market price. I didn't ask him to give it to me for cheap because of the loan either. Plus, its not worth a negative rep because I am not scamming anyone in any way.
May 21, 2015, 02:28:15 PM
No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
As for Ume and me being the same person, here is a thread by me : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ume-lending-to-possibly-steal-accounts-proof-inside-941505
I started a scam accusation against Ume, for couple of things. Which should make it obvious that he and I are not the same person. The thread was started before any negative trust came on either Ume or Twipple.
May 21, 2015, 02:25:11 PM
theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one.
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Assuming that none of the IP addresses can be linked to a known tor exit node or a VPN then it is most likely the account was sold. Code:
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| UTC Time | ip | type |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| 2015-01-25 14:57:57 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-25 17:53:01 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:49:55 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:53:13 | x | Password |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
The account was taken as collateral for a loan on the 25th by a scammer, the funds were not spent until after the loan was due. So the scammer changed the password (1) and gave it to Ume, then Ume changed it (2). Later after the OP opened a scam accusation against Ume, the account was sold to the OP likely because of pressure from the scam accusation. Escrow does not appear to be used so Ume changed the password (3) to give to the buyer when then changed it again (4).
While the account does appear to be sold, it does not change the fact that the OP engaged in extremely unethical behavior by opening a scam accusation against the seller ~2 hours before buying it via an alt.
May 21, 2015, 02:22:43 PM
theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one.
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Code:
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| UTC Time | ip | type |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| 2015-01-25 14:57:57 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-25 17:53:01 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:49:55 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:53:13 | x | Password |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Yes , thats Ume. So Twipple changed the password on 25th , and provided it to Ume (for the loan) . Then Ume changed the password himself. (2nd one). Then when he sold it to me, He changed the password to the one is the PM image(3rd one), and then I am the last one to change it(4th) .
So this is the proof that the real Twipple, Ume and this Twipple are 3 individuals as their IPs are different, right?
No, it isn't, because one person can have multiple IP addresses across the globe if they want to.
How many hours of everyone's time has been wasted by account selling and throwing theories around about scammer alts, whether negs should be removed, etc? If this was my forum, every sold account would be banned, with some sort of algorithm to detect it (password change forces logout and immediate relogin from same IP, perhaps).
May 21, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
So this is the proof that the real Twipple, Ume and this Twipple are 3 individuals as their IPs are different, right?
May 21, 2015, 02:03:26 PM
theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one.
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Code:
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| UTC Time | ip | type |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| 2015-01-25 14:57:57 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-25 17:53:01 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:49:55 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:53:13 | x | Password |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Yes , thats Ume. So Twipple changed the password on 25th , and provided it to Ume (for the loan) . Then Ume changed the password himself. (2nd one). Then when he sold it to me, He changed the password to the one is the PM image(3rd one), and then I am the last one to change it(4th) .
So this is the proof that the real Twipple, Ume and this Twipple are 3 individuals as their IPs are different, right?
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