Topic: Bought an account , and received a negative reputation a month later - page 3. (Read 3816 times)
May 21, 2015, 01:58:57 PM
Hah, Quickseller. I just take his comments with a gigantic grain of salt. I wish there was some way to remove him from my trust list.
May 21, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one.
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Code:
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| UTC Time | ip | type |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| 2015-01-25 14:57:57 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-25 17:53:01 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:49:55 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:53:13 | x | Password |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Yes , thats Ume. So Twipple changed the password on 25th , and provided it to Ume (for the loan) . Then Ume changed the password himself. (2nd one). Then when he sold it to me, He changed the password to the one which is in the the PM image I sent to you(3rd one), and then I am the last one to change it(4th) after that.
May 21, 2015, 01:51:47 PM
theymos finally sent me an IP-redacted seclog AFTER Twipple quoted theymos sending the IP-unredacted one.
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
Code:
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| UTC Time | ip | type |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
| 2015-01-25 14:57:57 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-25 17:53:01 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:49:55 | x | Password |
| 2015-01-31 10:53:13 | x | Password |
+---------------------+---------------+----------+
Password events 2 & 3 were from IPs in a netblock with munir.ahmed @ ptcl.net.pk in the WHOIS. Googled that email and found http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CZPFGta1 - is that Ume?
abuse @ rdsnet.ro in WHOIS for the first IP.
jacek @ euronet.net.pl & piotrs @ euronet.net.pl in WHOIS for the last IP.
In an account sale, I can see if seller password starts as x (their original password), is provided to an escrow as x, the escrow changes it to y, gives it to the buyer as y, and the buyer changes it to z. That's 2 changes. But why change the password 4 times?
This all makes less sense as time goes on.
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May 19, 2015, 11:24:00 PM
It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person.
Quickseller now whats your problem again ? Why do you think it was faked ? I was the one who started the scam accusation against Ume(before any negative trust was added) , Why would I be stupid enough to do that ? This?
-snip-
Compare this:
"This" month=March.
With this:
That month=January. 2 whole months off.
-snip-
Compare this:
Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ume-366936
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it.
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it.
"This" month=March.
With this:
I bought the account from Ume on 31st January.
That month=January. 2 whole months off.
-snip-
May 19, 2015, 03:17:19 PM
It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person.
May 19, 2015, 03:16:01 PM
Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
I would be happy to PM an admin or Mod to check that for you and confirm it.
I would also be happy to have an escrow log in to my account and check the messages to confirm that.
May 19, 2015, 02:53:06 PM
Ok, then the only PM I'm interested in at this point is from a mod/staff member who can show a preponderance of the evidence (logs, hostnames, etc) one way or the other. Don't PM me again Twipple, unless a mod/staff has told you they PMed me that first.
May 19, 2015, 02:42:04 PM
I might be able to halp you if you send me some BTC as a firned 
It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person.
I knew that something was going to happen similar to this when you got tee-added to BadBears list.
It seems that the sale was in fact faked and he slipped up that no one caught on. I would prepare to get your inbox spammed by a lot of PM's from this person.
I knew that something was going to happen similar to this when you got tee-added to BadBears list.
May 19, 2015, 02:33:26 PM
Can't make sense out of this PM I just received, HALP!
"This" month=March.
With this:
That month=January. 2 whole months off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLezV_FmX38
https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php only goes back 1 month, so I can't verify whether the password was changed at the alleged time of account sale.
Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ume-366936
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it.
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it.
"This" month=March.
With this:
I bought the account from Ume on 31st January.
That month=January. 2 whole months off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLezV_FmX38
https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php only goes back 1 month, so I can't verify whether the password was changed at the alleged time of account sale.
March 03, 2015, 11:45:44 AM
I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck.
Well Honestly, I don't mind it being late. I did send him a PM, but he never replied but continued the discussion here.
Its good to have such memebers in the community who keep a watch out for scams. I created this account lolled, for the exact same purpose.
But Quickseller is overdoing it. Its pretty clear that I bought Twipple, even then he chose to not remove his trust.
Thats not true. I sent you a message yesterday . Here is proof. Still denying it ?
I am going to ask you one last thing
I am not sure about the signing transactions part yet, but please confirm this for me :
Are you saying that Twipple was an alt of taco , because the address that twipple posted : 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB
had the funds move into another address 17c2cHYmTT4LzRfi3UPP8ozcRHbxTrwca6 , which has a previous input from an address: 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT
Which was involved with taco's address ?
March 03, 2015, 11:21:18 AM
I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck.
Well Honestly, I don't mind it being late. I did send him a PM, but he never replied but continued the discussion here.
Its good to have such memebers in the community who keep a watch out for scams. I created this account lolled, for the exact same purpose.
But Quickseller is overdoing it. Its pretty clear that I bought Twipple, even then he chose to not remove his trust.
I disagree with most of what you said above however I am not going to respond to each point individually.
Either way. Just because you purchased an account that was involved with a scam and/or associated with a scammer does not mean that any negative trust that results from such scam should be removed.
/thread March 03, 2015, 05:34:06 AM
I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck.
Well Honestly, I don't mind it being late. I did send him a PM, but he never replied but continued the discussion here.
Its good to have such memebers in the community who keep a watch out for scams. I created this account lolled, for the exact same purpose.
But Quickseller is overdoing it. Its pretty clear that I bought Twipple, even then he chose to not remove his trust.
March 03, 2015, 05:30:04 AM
I think it is too late, it's better to avoid this type of thread (better to "discuss" via PM). Good luck.
March 03, 2015, 04:44:09 AM
The message above inthe picture shows that Ume contacted TBZ at a time , hourse before he sold and gave me the account details (2nd picture in the link above. )
Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^
It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod.
Nope. And how would you know the reason that Ume was banned? lol(led)Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^
It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod.
Did I ever say I know the reason why Ume was banned ? lol(led) back.
I just said,I know why Twipple was banned. It was because Ume before selling the account, sent a message begging. To prove which, I provided the picture above.
5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it.
If you seriously think that you could create a scam accusation against Ume one day and then the same day try to buy an account from him and seriously think it is not involved in some kind of scam then I am sorry but you are an idiot. The scam accusation against Ume wasn't against some shitty he had done. It was for the reason , that he was giving out loans only to get more accounts in his possession. He hasn't been in any scam that I know of.
I checked Twipples account before buying it. It wasn't involved involved in any scam.
5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it.
If you seriously think that you could create a scam accusation against Ume one day and then the same day try to buy an account from him and seriously think it is not involved in some kind of scam then I am sorry but you are an idiot. I am off for work, and will wait for Ume to reply when he is back online .
Right, "he"Excuse me ? I can't go to work without your permission now ? I don't have time like you to stay on the forum 24 hours, farming 100's of accounts and selling them .
Maybe you should let your ego out of the way ,and make a sensible judgement, that I purchased an account from Ume, and I am not scamming or was involved in any scam of any kind.
ALso, I am not sure about the signing transactions part yet, but please confirm this for me :
Are you saying that Twipple was an alt of taco , because the address that twipple posted : 15ZX2yUZio9HeSWUeWubxznQyaYcYFBFzB
had the funds move into another address 17c2cHYmTT4LzRfi3UPP8ozcRHbxTrwca6 , which has a previous input from an address: 1Fo6Uy8JWnV9SnDM5LBnYA8nnCQgbfbyDT
Which was involved with taco ?
March 03, 2015, 04:34:13 AM
1. Twipple takes a loan from Ume, and gives his account as collateral. - During this time Twipple was a Member status
No they were not. Look at the posting history . I can give an escrow or you access to the account, and you can see all the messages of the Twipple account, to see Twipple and Ume are not the same person. Twipple defaulted on a loan, and that is how Ume got it.
4. I contacted Ume , and bought Twipple's account, and right after I bought it, I saw a message sent to TBZ before I bought it begging for money. I just ignored it, and a day later Twipple got banned for 7 days due to Begging.
First you said it was banned after two days, I have shown that they were banned at the same time, now you are saying it was banned the next day. Which one is it?Really ? It does prove, that Ume used the account for begging before I bought it from him.
March 03, 2015, 04:24:18 AM
If you are talking about Ume, you should have a look at this.
He got away by claiming that his account was hacked.
He got away by claiming that his account was hacked.
Well thats what I have always been saying. I still don't see why Quickseller would neg rep, when clearly I bought the account.
If I took a loan from Twipple(as Twipple), I would just get back the possession of the account by just paying back. Not defaulting and then hoping to buy it back.
March 02, 2015, 10:13:59 PM
Hi, This is an accusation against Ume https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ume-366936
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it.
I would request Quickseller to remove the negative trust that he has put on it. This account was posted by Ume in an auction.
Also, before it was sold to me, Ume sent a PM to the ButterZone begging for money , and I was banned from the forum for a week for that.
I can obviously, provide proof for it, but am outside. I have asked Ume to clear it up . Sent him a message.
Also, I am requesting Quickseller to remove his negative trust.
I bought this account from him this month. Obviously, I am wiilling to provide all the proof for it.
I would request Quickseller to remove the negative trust that he has put on it. This account was posted by Ume in an auction.
Also, before it was sold to me, Ume sent a PM to the ButterZone begging for money , and I was banned from the forum for a week for that.
I can obviously, provide proof for it, but am outside. I have asked Ume to clear it up . Sent him a message.
Also, I am requesting Quickseller to remove his negative trust.
Hi guys . I m Ume .
Just wanted to clear somethings .
(I'm replying from mobile cant add refrences)
First of all i started loaning sone btc to users with collateral but as the user twipple came in asked for loan when his member status was (member) he asked me for loan of .05 or so cant remember . After the due date of paying i created a thread .saying help me what to do with his account he did'nt contact me never spends the money which i lent . So what should i do they all said sell his account . But i did like 10 posts and still it remain on member level . After with the current owner of twipple paid me upfront without using escrow and i release details (twipple was not me )
@lolled did you bought account using alt ?
I never hacked or scammed any person here .
@quickseller you know that i made a mistake only i gave rep my self you said to remove i did . But after that i never gave loan to anyone because i thought i dont have enough reputation or experience .
I never beg here for anything . Never scammed anyone . For being good on this forum you get neg trust thats not fair .
March 02, 2015, 08:46:24 PM
If you are talking about Ume, you should have a look at this.
He got away by claiming that his account was hacked.
He got away by claiming that his account was hacked.
March 02, 2015, 07:47:26 PM
The reason I think they are one and the same is because twipple did not start posting until almost exactly until the loan was due, then stopped posting at almost the exactly the same time that ume was banned, and resumed posting at almost the exact same time that ume was likely unbanned. Additionally the funds from the loan were not spent until after the loan was due.
Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy.
Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy.
Well , Like I had already said before, here is the explanation to that.
1. Twipple takes a loan from Ume, and gives his account as collateral. - During this time Twipple was a Member status
2. After the due date is over, Ume created this thread : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/want-some-help-regarding-loans-941098
asking if its fine if he sells Twipples account as he didn;t pay back on loan.
Agreed, however I still argue that they are the same person the entire time. asking if its fine if he sells Twipples account as he didn;t pay back on loan.
3. Ume , then created an auction for selling an account : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-fm-941258
He realized, that he would get a better price for selling the account if he got it to a full member status. And he made some posts after seizing the account .
I won't dispute that. He realized, that he would get a better price for selling the account if he got it to a full member status. And he made some posts after seizing the account .
4. I contacted Ume , and bought Twipple's account, and right after I bought it, I saw a message sent to TBZ before I bought it begging for money. I just ignored it, and a day later Twipple got banned for 7 days due to Begging.
First you said it was banned after two days, I have shown that they were banned at the same time, now you are saying it was banned the next day. Which one is it?Here is a picture :
http://i.imgur.com/aQqEP15.png
that proves nothing. http://i.imgur.com/aQqEP15.png
The message above inthe picture shows that Ume contacted TBZ at a time , hourse before he sold and gave me the account details (2nd picture in the link above. )
Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^
It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod.
Nope. And how would you know the reason that Ume was banned? lol(led)Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^
It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod.
5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it.
If you seriously think that you could create a scam accusation against Ume one day and then the same day try to buy an account from him and seriously think it is not involved in some kind of scam then I am sorry but you are an idiot. I am off for work, and will wait for Ume to reply when he is back online .
Right, "he"Either way. Just because you purchased an account that was involved with a scam and/or associated with a scammer does not mean that any negative trust that results from such scam should be removed.
March 02, 2015, 05:59:51 PM
The reason I think they are one and the same is because twipple did not start posting until almost exactly until the loan was due, then stopped posting at almost the exactly the same time that ume was banned, and resumed posting at almost the exact same time that ume was likely unbanned. Additionally the funds from the loan were not spent until after the loan was due.
Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy.
Additionally, the posting style of both accounts is very low quality and spammy.
Well , Like I had already said before, here is the explanation to that.
1. Twipple takes a loan from Ume, and gives his account as collateral. - During this time Twipple was a Member status
2. After the due date is over, Ume created this thread : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/want-some-help-regarding-loans-941098
asking if its fine if he sells Twipples account as he didn;t pay back on loan.
3. Ume , then created an auction for selling an account : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-fm-941258
He realized, that he would get a better price for selling the account if he got it to a full member status. And he made some posts after seizing the account .
4. I contacted Ume , and bought Twipple's account, and right after I bought it, I saw a message sent to TBZ before I bought it begging for money. I just ignored it, and a day later Twipple got banned for 7 days due to Begging.
Here is a picture :
http://i.imgur.com/aQqEP15.png
The message above inthe picture shows that Ume contacted TBZ at a time , hourse before he sold and gave me the account details (2nd picture in the link above. )
Ume was banned for some other reason, and Twipple got banned due to begging ^
It happened at the same time as a coincidence, and can be confirmed by a mod.
5. I was the one who created the scam accusation against Ume, and its funny, that I am the one paying for it.
I am off for work, and will wait for Ume to reply when he is back online .
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