Bounty managers can do better - page 5.

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Quote from: btcltcdigger on July 03, 2020, 06:28:52 AM

I've had live video chat with projects that turned out to be a scam in the end. What's your point?
The thing is, many projects start legit, and once they see that it's not going well, they take what's left and run away, basically scamming even their own team members...

This answers your request OP and I think this should be valid since btcltcdigger is one the veteran bounty manager you can find in this community. I have joined some of his bounties last 2018 and some of them didn't turn well as expected. As you can see, they also doing their best to promote the best bounty out there but scammers always find a way to fool these guys, I think every bounty manager in this community has encountered this kind of problem and learned from those experiences.

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Quote from: VDraci on July 03, 2020, 01:35:40 AM

I once wished that bounty hunters can come together as one to escape the ruined reputations of bounty hunters and the unfair ways we've been treated but I think this can easily be done not by bounty hunters but by bounty managers

If bounty managers can starts doing screening on new bounty projects scam rate will be limit, for example come face to face with team using video chat and forcing them to do KYC just to confirm they are real, this day many new projects only chat with bounty managers and that's all, I think this is why bounty detective can't figure out that kingcasino scammers are from Nigeria

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

It's not really easy to know if the project could become a scam or not and the bounty manager could not easily know that at all times. Most of the time the bounty managers are also just victims of the scam project so we cannot really blame them if the bounty is don't legit. Sometimes the project is legitimate but it just doesn't really get enough support or funds to continue the project, could be the ICO project will stop if did not get enough investors needed to continue so most of the bounty hunters is not going to be paid for their work.

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Quote from: minairia3 on July 03, 2020, 08:53:48 AM

Quote from: rahmatullah9305 on July 03, 2020, 08:53:25 AM

The idea you gave is indeed very good for minimizing the scam rate on the bounty

However do you think managers will do it for hunters sake? As a manager they know what to do already and no need to be reminded of.

This looks funny

, and it seems you are a little offended, okay minairia3, do you comment in the comments above to the manager? because if asked personally I also don't like this new thing, so what you have to warn is that the OP created the topic, not me who only answered a few reviews of the topic, sorry bro.

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Quote from: pawanjain on July 03, 2020, 09:05:03 AM

Quote from: VDraci on July 03, 2020, 01:35:40 AM

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Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

The second are those who don't care if the project is genuine or not and take up the job instantly just because it is paying the manager well.
We can't do anything about it but just stop promoting the projects which are being taken up by those managers.

About this, the number of such manager is actually far greater than the professional bounty managers. If you checkout the bounty section then there is one big noticeable thing, "most of the bounties are being ran by newbies and/or the project itself creates a new account", get copper membership to post images and run all by themselves. For bounty participants it has become pain in the back since they do hours of work and at the end project turns out to be scam Or improperly managed.

Over the time it may happen that the bounty solution would be needed and who knows these things might just disappear as people's trust will be reduced dramatically. One thing is clear, we now rarely get good projects, and thus managers are also finding it hard to play around.

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Quote from: VDraci on July 03, 2020, 01:35:40 AM

I once wished that bounty hunters can come together as one to escape the ruined reputations of bounty hunters and the unfair ways we've been treated but I think this can easily be done not by bounty hunters but by bounty managers

If bounty managers can starts doing screening on new bounty projects scam rate will be limit, for example come face to face with team using video chat and forcing them to do KYC just to confirm they are real, this day many new projects only chat with bounty managers and that's all, I think this is why bounty detective can't figure out that kingcasino scammers are from Nigeria

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

There are two kinds of people. One is in the category where the managers screen the project before taking it up for managing.
As scams have increase a lot quite lately these managers are doing a hard job of researching the projects first before taking the job.
I have seen a few managers who don't take the job if they find it less appealing.

The second are those who don't care if the project is genuine or not and take up the job instantly just because it is paying the manager well.
We can't do anything about it but just stop promoting the projects which are being taken up by those managers.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 03, 2020, 08:35:49 AM

When you worked as a bounty manager, have you tried to ask the team to transfer bounty pool to you or some other trusted third party ?
This might work as a part of bounty hunters protection from doing promotion work for nothing.

I can divide bounty campaign scam project into 3 caterogies:

1) do not distribute bounty reward at all
2) distribute, but perform exit scam or make excuses for not listing, abandon project
3) distribute, got listed, but dumped projects tokens or coins and evaporate.

If a trusted intermediary holds bounty reward, this my save hunters from "1) do not distribute bounty reward at all".

point number could be bounty managers mistake, they should negotiate about bounty reward before campaign started. maybe using trusted escrow, but only reputable manager that have power to negotiate about escrow. point 2 and 3 totally be developers team fault, they well planned to exit scam smoothly.

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So you're like blaming BMs here in the forum?
I don't think that BMs are the only ones that should do these.
Remember that their responsibility "manage" the bounties, and not eliminating scams, therefore reducing scam project is upon everyone's will and hardwork, so count yourself as well as someone who should be part of "limit the scams" as you can't stop them anyway.

It's like saying outside the crypto space that your local authorities should be primarily responsible in finding people with bad intents instead of handling their city.

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You cant add additional jobs on their shoulders and also its their own judgement to accept and decline projects. Now as a bounty hunter, its your job to find, differentiate, identify scam from legit. Why blame the manager for falling for a scam one? It sounds like its their fault for your mistakes ( I mean hunters). Just do a proper research and find a good one that pays correspondingly.

Quote from: rahmatullah9305 on July 03, 2020, 08:53:25 AM

The idea you gave is indeed very good for minimizing the scam rate on the bounty

However do you think managers will do it for hunters sake? As a manager they know what to do already and no need to be reminded of.

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The idea you gave is indeed very good for minimizing the scam rate on the bounty, but will the team want to show their KYC via forced video chat? because everyone who does forced work obviously won't be happy in completing it, they could have made a fake KYC then showed it through the video manager chat.

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You wished everyone would do that, but that's not the reality, there's a lot of bounty managers in the forum and we can categorized them from bad, good to better. As a bounty hunter, I think it's our job to be more careful in joining a certain bounty campaign, we don't need to require them to comply with anything as that would not happen, the market is decentralized so we have to deal with that as that could also be the nature of job here.

If you are looking for a better result on the campaign, just look for reputable campaign managers and only joined on the campaign they manage even if the reward is not that attractive.

Nowadays, project with good potential are not paying big bounty reward, you can also check on that.

I think this thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/safe-campaigns-in-the-altcoin-section-to-join-dont-waste-your-time-with-others-5228629) would help you.

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It's one of the risks that bounty hunters signed for, take responsibility once it happens, any project can turn scam at any time, when that happens don't forget what you signed for, there are many reasons why a bounty project can fail, If you can't handle the risks don't bother joining bounties

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First of all, most of the bounty managers are so called money digger only. They work for money, nothing else is to be considered. Some shit managers even take payment with token. They don't care anything. On the other hand, as btcltcdigger said, you can never know who is legit and who is a scammer or sometimes a legit project may turn scam due to some inevitable reason. It's hunter who should knowingly join the campaign that the bounty may (actually WILL) not give any valuable rewards.
@Toptort
When you are promoting a scam project, where's the necessity of having bounty pool escrowed. I'm sure that no legit project would scam the hunters. If any projects denied to distribute bounty rewards, the project is a scam one no doubt.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 03, 2020, 08:35:49 AM

When you worked as a bounty manager, have you tried to ask the team to transfer bounty pool to you or some other trusted third party ?
This might work as a part of bounty hunters protection from doing promotion work for nothing.

I can divide bounty campaign scam project into 3 caterogies:

1) do not distribute bounty reward at all
2) distribute, but perform exit scam or make excuses for not listing, abandon project
3) distribute, got listed, but dumped projects tokens or coins and evaporate.

If a trusted intermediary holds bounty reward, this my save hunters from "1) do not distribute bounty reward at all".

most of it is true as you said in number 1. after that is number 2 that we see the most. they do the distribution but not listed on the exchange. then the team disappears.

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This is a never ending debate to be honest, bounty hunters blame the bounty managers, and then bounty manager blames the people behind the project, its cyclical. And you really don't know until it's too late, when the project suddenly disappears.

So for bounty hunters, there is always that risk, that you didn't know if the project will be successful or will it scam everyone. Or if the project didn't run, chances are, it will take years for the token to be listed on an exchanges, and projects are going to run many excuses.

@TopTort777 - I like your idea, but holding bounty payments will also scream scam for bounty hunters. Because once the project ended, they immediately wanted to get their rewards.

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Quote from: VDraci on July 03, 2020, 01:35:40 AM

I once wished that bounty hunters can come together as one to escape the ruined reputations of bounty hunters and the unfair ways we've been treated but I think this can easily be done not by bounty hunters but by bounty managers

How? As much as I hate to say this, bounty hunters are just simply that, hunting project to earn some penny and then move along.

Quote from: VDraci on July 03, 2020, 01:35:40 AM

If bounty managers can starts doing screening on new bounty projects scam rate will be limit, for example come face to face with team using video chat and forcing them to do KYC just to confirm they are real, this day many new projects only chat with bounty managers and that's all, I think this is why bounty detective can't figure out that kingcasino scammers are from Nigeria[/b]

Please bounty manager make sure the team you doing a job for are real atleast, don't just take a job through chats only

I think they do, but they don't control everything, they are just a manager, if the project choose to exit scam then they can't do anything about it. Plus their reputation are ruined, how many bounty managers have we seen being tagged already? Many of them.

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Quote from: btcltcdigger on July 03, 2020, 06:28:52 AM

I've had live video chat with projects that turned out to be a scam in the end. What's your point?
The thing is, many projects start legit, and once they see that it's not going well, they take what's left and run away, basically scamming even their own team members...

When you worked as a bounty manager, have you tried to ask the team to transfer bounty pool to you or some other trusted third party ?
This might work as a part of bounty hunters protection from doing promotion work for nothing.

I can divide bounty campaign scam project into 3 caterogies:

1) do not distribute bounty reward at all
2) distribute, but perform exit scam or make excuses for not listing, abandon project
3) distribute, got listed, but dumped projects tokens or coins and evaporate.

If a trusted intermediary holds bounty reward, this my save hunters from "1) do not distribute bounty reward at all".

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Quote from: Reatim on July 03, 2020, 08:24:00 AM

I don't think that there will be a clearing in Bounties now,it is getting badder and badder now,soon ICO and IEO will die and Bounties will no longer exist,this is sad reality unless people will still consider cooperating in scammers.

something bad is happening right now. but I think that IEO or ICO and bounty will disappear this time it won't happen. the best solution is not to eliminate, but a clear regulation must be made. the application can be on the bounty manager, also on new projects.

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Quote from: Ken_terrance on July 03, 2020, 02:04:55 AM

You have a point, not bad at all if bounty managers can start knowing project team very well before accepting their offer but don't expect that all bounty managers can do this, it's not really to manage a bounty campaign trust me

Lol many Bounty manager are only concerns about their payment and not the participants?

Some campaign owner mostly offers payments ahead for the managers to justify their scamming.

I don't think that there will be a clearing in Bounties now,it is getting badder and badder now,soon ICO and IEO will die and Bounties will no longer exist,this is sad reality unless people will still consider cooperating in scammers.

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bounty hunters you are responsible for your own safety, any bounty manager can make mistakes, you promoters should be the one looking out for yourselves, you can easily avoid scam projects like kingcasino, why?

1. The pictures of the team on the website looks like a whack job, stolen pictures definitely

2. The claim they raised millions of dollars through latoken and p2pb2b exchange only, how is that possible when this two exchanges are worse for new IEO projects

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So because kingcasino turn scam now you want to blame bounty detective? This is one of the most active bounty managers so far in 2020, they deserve some respect, HEX bounty wasn't like this right? Even when many called the project a scam or shitcoin, those who still went ahead and project the project sold Hex for big price

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