[Boxing]: Ancajas vs Martinez - Feb 26, 2022 - page 13.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 15, 2021, 06:43:38 PM

No disrespect to the boxers you mentioned they are all good in their own right because they are all champions but there's only one Manny Pacquiao is Philippine boxing or even in the boxing world. It's hard to duplicate what he has done in the sports.

I also have to agree. Our rising stars will just probably stay in their current division. If there's a possibility to move up, only a single division up and that's their final division, or maybe will revert back to their comfort zone. Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer that surpasses the weight division that a Filipino boxer can. It's a blessing for him as in terms of bodybuilding, we have limits as mentioned above. Unlike in European or Western countries, a baby has a chance to bout at the heavyweight class in the future, with or without forcing it to happen. We didn't even think that someday famous boxers like Oscar Dela Hoya, Shane Mosley, Ricky Hatton, will be faced by a Filipino boxer and even knocking them out.

Nonito Donaire, John Riel Casimero, Brian Viloria are some of the examples of those Filipino Boxers who are popular and the best "only" on their respective divisions.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 15, 2021, 06:37:08 PM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

It's only a rare case when a PH boxer can adopt the challenges in the pound for pound. Excluding Pacquiao, almost all caliber PH boxers stay only within the same weight class. The reason is, it's the limit for a Filipino Boxer and that's the fact. Pacquiao just becomes different because it's really destined that his body can surpass the supposed limit he should just fight. His experience that started from a very young age contributes to the capability of his body to step up within a much higher weight class.

Sorry but currently, no active PH boxers can have the same steps with Pacquiao. That boxer is not born yet. Ancajas, Gaballo, Magsayo, Casimero, or anyone else, will just dominate their respective weight class but no way they can be pound-for-pound boxers like Pacquiao.

It's because Manny is just one of a kind the last great Pinoy p4p is Flash Elorde in the 60's and then Manny is 2000's. So it's just like one coming in every 50 years or so.

No disrespect to the boxers you mentioned they are all good in their own right because they are all champions but there's only one Manny Pacquiao is Philippine boxing or even in the boxing world. It's hard to duplicate what he has done in the sports.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 15, 2021, 06:37:08 PM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

It's only a rare case when a PH boxer can adopt the challenges in the pound for pound. Excluding Pacquiao, almost all caliber PH boxers stay only within the same weight class. The reason is, it's the limit for a Filipino Boxer and that's the fact. Pacquiao just becomes different because it's really destined that his body can surpass the supposed limit he should just fight. His experience that started from a very young age contributes to the capability of his body to step up within a much higher weight class.

Sorry but currently, no active PH boxers can have the same steps with Pacquiao. That boxer is not born yet. Ancajas, Gaballo, Magsayo, Casimero, or anyone else, will just dominate their respective weight class but no way they can be pound-for-pound boxers like Pacquiao.

I agree with this and also people or the fans would be the ones to notice it if there would be someone would able to follow the steps on what Pacquiao
had able to achieved and going for 8 world divisions is something that cant really be easily achieved.If Ancajas would at least tend to step
on higher divisions and get those belts then he might be the potential one that follows Manny.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

It's only a rare case when a PH boxer can adopt the challenges in the pound for pound. Excluding Pacquiao, almost all caliber PH boxers stay only within the same weight class. The reason is, it's the limit for a Filipino Boxer and that's the fact. Pacquiao just becomes different because it's really destined that his body can surpass the supposed limit he should just fight. His experience that started from a very young age contributes to the capability of his body to step up within a much higher weight class.

Sorry but currently, no active PH boxers can have the same steps with Pacquiao. That boxer is not born yet. Ancajas, Gaballo, Magsayo, Casimero, or anyone else, will just dominate their respective weight class but no way they can be pound-for-pound boxers like Pacquiao.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 14, 2021, 06:26:12 PM

If Ancajas will have another offer, then I would say grab it and win and then he can go back to Ioka again.

It's not that simple. The fight is just postponed, not canceled. A boxer can't just accept another offer until an official announcement is released and legalized.

Let's talk about that another offer issue if the fight will be canceled for good. As for my own view, the fight will push through. It's not that Japan will not lift its restrictions for several months especially if no such thing as a big alarm regarding the new virus variant.

Let's hope for smooth progress while waiting for the re-schedule date. We don't want another sports lockdown to happen next year.

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Quote from: Oasisman on December 15, 2021, 03:34:41 PM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

What Pacquiao did is an tough act to follow, and when we say that he's probably going closer to what Pacquiao has achieved might need for him to have more fights, I mean more fights from a remarkable and elite fighters. However, I agree that he's an underrated Filipino fighter like what the other says, he only needs to beat more opponents and improve.
Though he's 29 but he still has a lot of years to be more successful than what he had right now.
Pacquiao's career began booming after he defeat and dominated Barerra and he was 28 by that time.

You can tell already the difference between Pacquiao and the current popular boxing in the Philippines, and personally, I would say that no one is close to Pacquiao's skills and they'll never become an 8th division champion or even just 5th division champion. However it should not stop them from fighting as that makes the Filipino boxing proud and they bring glory to the country.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

What Pacquiao did is an tough act to follow, and when we say that he's probably going closer to what Pacquiao has achieved might need for him to have more fights, I mean more fights from a remarkable and elite fighters. However, I agree that he's an underrated Filipino fighter like what the other says, he only needs to beat more opponents and improve.
Though he's 29 but he still has a lot of years to be more successful than what he had right now.
Pacquiao's career began booming after he defeat and dominated Barerra and he was 28 by that time.

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Quote from: Pamadar on December 15, 2021, 10:58:00 AM

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

He just need to have more exposures and this fight will give him that, with the hype of social media,

Ancajas can bring his name to another level, good skills and a killer's punches, if Ioka will go blow by blow the chance
to see him down is possible to happen.

Unless he also has that same caliber to take Ancajas' punches and throw his own versions of heavy blow,
very exciting to wait for sure fans will enjoy if both fighters will show aggressions to win.

This is a tough wall to beat I could say but I do believe that Ancajas could beat it down but wont really be that simple.Its true that he does need more exposure. which simply means that from now on he should really make wins and make some noise in regards into its existence.

There would be considerations that he might be the next Pacquiao just like on what stomachgrowls said.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 14, 2021, 06:26:12 PM

Quote from: Silberman on December 14, 2021, 05:40:02 PM

Quote from: crzy on December 11, 2021, 04:53:27 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:47:18 PM

That’s the consequences they have to face on postponing this match and that’s fine for the defending champion because he can have more time to prepare and have a good trainings to defend his title and stay longer with it. We know that Japan is too strict with this, not unless they do this match on other country with a lesser restriction, this might push through early next year.

They can’t just change the venue easily, it will cost them huge money as well and beside Ioka is a Japanese so this might be the reason why they choose that location. Let’s deal with this since they already postponed the match and what to do next is to stay fit and active, stay focus and never get distracted by this delay. Ancajas has the advantage on this since he can still have more time to train because he is defending a huge title on his belt.

It is true that most likely this is not an easy thing to do, but if the fight is delayed for too long it will have to be canceled or they will have to change the venue of the fight, and I suppose that canceling the fight should be even more costly, after all we must understand that in order to reach top shape boxers need a full team of specialists working for them 24/7, and if there is no fight then this means all of those expenses would have been for nothing.

Oh well, if the fight is going to be cancelled then so be it. I mean this fighters have been training already when the news come out that it will be postponed because of Japan's health protocol. And so it is not sure when the fight will happen next year or not. If Ancajas will have another offer, then I would say grab it and win and then he can go back to Ioka again.

I think this fight has been postponed already because this will took place on New Year's Eve at Tokyo, Japan. And the Japanese government has issued ban on international flights to Japan and closing it's borders because of the omnicron variant. Just like Murata vs GGG, there's no schedule yet of when does the Japan will open again. But maybe sometime in the 1st quarter of January. I know it's frustrating because we already anticipated to watch this fight on this very month.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 14, 2021, 06:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

He just need to have more exposures and this fight will give him that, with the hype of social media,

Ancajas can bring his name to another level, good skills and a killer's punches, if Ioka will go blow by blow the chance
to see him down is possible to happen.

Unless he also has that same caliber to take Ancajas' punches and throw his own versions of heavy blow,
very exciting to wait for sure fans will enjoy if both fighters will show aggressions to win.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoPfsYgFUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExTYsN3Ms8

Among Filipino boxers i would see that this would be really be following on the step of Pacquiao.
This man is a good and heavy puncher. You could see this man is good on technical aspects.
Had the stamina and power.

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Quote from: Silberman on December 14, 2021, 05:40:02 PM

Quote from: crzy on December 11, 2021, 04:53:27 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:47:18 PM

That’s the consequences they have to face on postponing this match and that’s fine for the defending champion because he can have more time to prepare and have a good trainings to defend his title and stay longer with it. We know that Japan is too strict with this, not unless they do this match on other country with a lesser restriction, this might push through early next year.

They can’t just change the venue easily, it will cost them huge money as well and beside Ioka is a Japanese so this might be the reason why they choose that location. Let’s deal with this since they already postponed the match and what to do next is to stay fit and active, stay focus and never get distracted by this delay. Ancajas has the advantage on this since he can still have more time to train because he is defending a huge title on his belt.

It is true that most likely this is not an easy thing to do, but if the fight is delayed for too long it will have to be canceled or they will have to change the venue of the fight, and I suppose that canceling the fight should be even more costly, after all we must understand that in order to reach top shape boxers need a full team of specialists working for them 24/7, and if there is no fight then this means all of those expenses would have been for nothing.

Oh well, if the fight is going to be cancelled then so be it. I mean this fighters have been training already when the news come out that it will be postponed because of Japan's health protocol. And so it is not sure when the fight will happen next year or not. If Ancajas will have another offer, then I would say grab it and win and then he can go back to Ioka again.

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Quote from: crzy on December 11, 2021, 04:53:27 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on December 11, 2021, 04:47:18 PM

That’s the consequences they have to face on postponing this match and that’s fine for the defending champion because he can have more time to prepare and have a good trainings to defend his title and stay longer with it. We know that Japan is too strict with this, not unless they do this match on other country with a lesser restriction, this might push through early next year.

They can’t just change the venue easily, it will cost them huge money as well and beside Ioka is a Japanese so this might be the reason why they choose that location. Let’s deal with this since they already postponed the match and what to do next is to stay fit and active, stay focus and never get distracted by this delay. Ancajas has the advantage on this since he can still have more time to train because he is defending a huge title on his belt.

It is true that most likely this is not an easy thing to do, but if the fight is delayed for too long it will have to be canceled or they will have to change the venue of the fight, and I suppose that canceling the fight should be even more costly, after all we must understand that in order to reach top shape boxers need a full team of specialists working for them 24/7, and if there is no fight then this means all of those expenses would have been for nothing.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 12, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 12, 2021, 03:25:39 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on December 12, 2021, 11:33:31 AM

Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

That's a good advantage for the pinoy pride. Once he landed a good body shot and slow the opponent, up he can then throw solid combinations either more on the body or he can attack the face to create more damages and a possible KO. We don't know how
the training camp will condition Ancajas and what strategy they have in mind.

But, in every fighter, there's always a combination of their system. I follow you with your pick

got that same impression. Wink

It's always head and body combination, but if the defense of a fighter is good, he makes sure he will protect his body because if the body will fall, the head will follow, you know what I'm saying. After seeing how Donaire beat Gaballo with a "liver shot", that makes me think anyone would not be able to surive if hits hard in that area, so it's a good technique to beat an opponent especially if it's a taller one.

True, the Donaire vs Gaballo fight is a classic example on how a body shots can end a fight and that is the beauty of it. And that is what Ancajas did to the British fighter, it was not a once punch, although everytime he hits him in the body he grimaces in pain until the referee stop the fight.

@Gosgosking - I know that Ioka might have a good strategy against Ancajas. But what I'm saying is that Jerwin possesses a good body shot as well. May not be perfect but it can do the job if he hits on the right spot on Ioka.

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Quote from: Gosgosking on December 12, 2021, 11:20:33 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on December 12, 2021, 11:33:31 AM

Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

You never can tell what if loka have a good strategy in defending the shots of ancajas.
Though ancajas is a very good fighter with good fighting skills but I can't really tell who will win the fight, sometimes who win is unpredictable.

Sometimes I'm biased and in this fight, I'm biased, lol.. I'm with Ancajas to win here, I did not review the highlights of his opponent but I believe that Ancajas could win. He is still young, I hope he will improve like Donaire because for me, Donaire is the greatest boxer in the Philippines alive, next to Pacquiao of course.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 12, 2021, 11:33:31 AM

Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

Filipino Flash Nonito Donaire bet his fellow compatriot with a body shot. And if Ancajas has that in his arsenal then he should utilized is as the Japanese might be weak in that area.

And we've seen a lot of good boxers really good down with a good body shot so no surprised if Ancajas are going to throw a lot just like in the Conlan fight because it can really show down anyone. But it should be perfect as he is going to be open for a counter right which Ioka has some power in that hand.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 12, 2021, 11:33:31 AM

Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

You never can tell what if loka have a good strategy in defending the shots of ancajas.
Though ancajas is a very good fighter with good fighting skills but I can't really tell who will win the fight, sometimes who win is unpredictable.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 12, 2021, 03:25:39 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on December 12, 2021, 11:33:31 AM

Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

That's a good advantage for the pinoy pride. Once he landed a good body shot and slow the opponent, up he can then throw solid combinations either more on the body or he can attack the face to create more damages and a possible KO. We don't know how
the training camp will condition Ancajas and what strategy they have in mind.

But, in every fighter, there's always a combination of their system. I follow you with your pick

got that same impression. Wink

It's always head and body combination, but if the defense of a fighter is good, he makes sure he will protect his body because if the body will fall, the head will follow, you know what I'm saying. After seeing how Donaire beat Gaballo with a "liver shot", that makes me think anyone would not be able to surive if hits hard in that area, so it's a good technique to beat an opponent especially if it's a taller one.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 12, 2021, 11:33:31 AM

Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

That's a good advantage for the pinoy pride. Once he landed a good body shot and slow the opponent, up he can then throw solid combinations either more on the body or he can attack the face to create more damages and a possible KO. We don't know how
the training camp will condition Ancajas and what strategy they have in mind.

But, in every fighter, there's always a combination of their system. I follow you with your pick

got that same impression. Wink

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Just watched the highlights of Ancajas vs Jamie Conlan and that body shots was really wicked.

Maybe this will be his strategy against Ioka, his body shots because it will really slow down any of his opponents once he landed this one.

Unfortunately though, we will have to wait for this fight. But after watching Ancajas vs Conlan, I'm more leaning towards the Filipino here.

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