[Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez - page 4.

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^^ Yes, that is only one thing if you started at a weight class of like 168-175 lbs, you have to clean up your division first because you can only go as high as you body will allow you to. Unlike those who have started in much lower class, then can go to 5 division up and become a champion.

Yes, he is taller than Bivol but you can see his body is very different. Bivol seems to be natural 175 lbs, but he says he can go down to 168 lbs. While David physique is somewhat different in my opinion, if he will add pounds to his body, it seems to be more on his "stomach" and not pure muscle. Even at 168 lbs he is more weight around his belly.

That got me curious too because I'm thinking what is David's natural weight these days, it seems to me that he is just forcing his body to shrink at 168 even though it looks like that he is more suitable at 175. At 168, he is already bloated and not that fit like the guys who got a natural weight at 168 like Canelo and Plant.

But anyway, too much on the speculation side as we will probably get the answers on our mind soon enough. Now, let's focus on David vs Caleb fight. I know there are many people rooting for David and that includes me, but I cannot really disregard Caleb's talent in the ring as the guy also got a good IQ what to do once he's inside dancing with a foe.

Yeah, with how he looks like right, not sure if he can bulk it up to 175 lbs without losing any power or at least he can still punch as he might shows some of being slow already.

But let's see, he has a lot of ambitions and it seems his first take is against Canelo. So most likely, if he win this fight against Caleb he will insert his name against Alvarez again. He doesn't have the control though, Canelo is not keen on fighting boxers who doesn't deserve a paycheck against him, specially if he will be a threat to his 168 lbs. So it might take some time for David to have his time against Canelo, as he have a schedule tune up with Ryder and then maybe Bivol next.

I know David is a decent boxer who is currently an underrated now but even with that fact, I'm still not that convinced that he can take up Canelo Alvarez who is still at the height of his prime and I think it's not just me but a lot of people around the world as well will be watching him prove himself against Caleb Plant on this fight. By then, people will somehow know if David does have a chance on the undisputed title or not, that depends on the outcome.

The Light-heavyweight division is somehow far from David's reach as of now because even if he defeat Plant on the process, his only option to fight Canelo is if Canelo will get a mandatory defense fight which means he will have to wait for another years because Canelo is not yet due for any mandatory fight.

Or maybe the hypes for his name to be called out by the fans and pressure Canelo's camp with a huge amount of prize money at stake, we know that this sport is not just for the fame but more on the money side, if ever he manage to beat Plant in a very convincing way, the chance that fans will call for it to negotiate with Canelo's camp might take place.

Just assuming or it's a personal assumption which is also possible if the price is right!

But moving forward, we need to wait for the outcome before we can assume to any possible next upcoming matchup.

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^^ Yes, that is only one thing if you started at a weight class of like 168-175 lbs, you have to clean up your division first because you can only go as high as you body will allow you to. Unlike those who have started in much lower class, then can go to 5 division up and become a champion.

Yes, he is taller than Bivol but you can see his body is very different. Bivol seems to be natural 175 lbs, but he says he can go down to 168 lbs. While David physique is somewhat different in my opinion, if he will add pounds to his body, it seems to be more on his "stomach" and not pure muscle. Even at 168 lbs he is more weight around his belly.

That got me curious too because I'm thinking what is David's natural weight these days, it seems to me that he is just forcing his body to shrink at 168 even though it looks like that he is more suitable at 175. At 168, he is already bloated and not that fit like the guys who got a natural weight at 168 like Canelo and Plant.

But anyway, too much on the speculation side as we will probably get the answers on our mind soon enough. Now, let's focus on David vs Caleb fight. I know there are many people rooting for David and that includes me, but I cannot really disregard Caleb's talent in the ring as the guy also got a good IQ what to do once he's inside dancing with a foe.

Yeah, with how he looks like right, not sure if he can bulk it up to 175 lbs without losing any power or at least he can still punch as he might shows some of being slow already.

But let's see, he has a lot of ambitions and it seems his first take is against Canelo. So most likely, if he win this fight against Caleb he will insert his name against Alvarez again. He doesn't have the control though, Canelo is not keen on fighting boxers who doesn't deserve a paycheck against him, specially if he will be a threat to his 168 lbs. So it might take some time for David to have his time against Canelo, as he have a schedule tune up with Ryder and then maybe Bivol next.

I know David is a decent boxer who is currently an underrated now but even with that fact, I'm still not that convinced that he can take up Canelo Alvarez who is still at the height of his prime and I think it's not just me but a lot of people around the world as well will be watching him prove himself against Caleb Plant on this fight. By then, people will somehow know if David does have a chance on the undisputed title or not, that depends on the outcome.

The Light-heavyweight division is somehow far from David's reach as of now because even if he defeat Plant on the process, his only option to fight Canelo is if Canelo will get a mandatory defense fight which means he will have to wait for another years because Canelo is not yet due for any mandatory fight.

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Quote from: Japinat on March 07, 2023, 02:30:05 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on March 05, 2023, 04:58:15 PM

^^ Yes, that is only one thing if you started at a weight class of like 168-175 lbs, you have to clean up your division first because you can only go as high as you body will allow you to. Unlike those who have started in much lower class, then can go to 5 division up and become a champion.

Yes, he is taller than Bivol but you can see his body is very different. Bivol seems to be natural 175 lbs, but he says he can go down to 168 lbs. While David physique is somewhat different in my opinion, if he will add pounds to his body, it seems to be more on his "stomach" and not pure muscle. Even at 168 lbs he is more weight around his belly.

That got me curious too because I'm thinking what is David's natural weight these days, it seems to me that he is just forcing his body to shrink at 168 even though it looks like that he is more suitable at 175. At 168, he is already bloated and not that fit like the guys who got a natural weight at 168 like Canelo and Plant.

But anyway, too much on the speculation side as we will probably get the answers on our mind soon enough. Now, let's focus on David vs Caleb fight. I know there are many people rooting for David and that includes me, but I cannot really disregard Caleb's talent in the ring as the guy also got a good IQ what to do once he's inside dancing with a foe.

Yeah, with how he looks like right, not sure if he can bulk it up to 175 lbs without losing any power or at least he can still punch as he might shows some of being slow already.

But let's see, he has a lot of ambitions and it seems his first take is against Canelo. So most likely, if he win this fight against Caleb he will insert his name against Alvarez again. He doesn't have the control though, Canelo is not keen on fighting boxers who doesn't deserve a paycheck against him, specially if he will be a threat to his 168 lbs. So it might take some time for David to have his time against Canelo, as he have a schedule tune up with Ryder and then maybe Bivol next.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 05, 2023, 04:58:15 PM

^^ Yes, that is only one thing if you started at a weight class of like 168-175 lbs, you have to clean up your division first because you can only go as high as you body will allow you to. Unlike those who have started in much lower class, then can go to 5 division up and become a champion.

Yes, he is taller than Bivol but you can see his body is very different. Bivol seems to be natural 175 lbs, but he says he can go down to 168 lbs. While David physique is somewhat different in my opinion, if he will add pounds to his body, it seems to be more on his "stomach" and not pure muscle. Even at 168 lbs he is more weight around his belly.

That got me curious too because I'm thinking what is David's natural weight these days, it seems to me that he is just forcing his body to shrink at 168 even though it looks like that he is more suitable at 175. At 168, he is already bloated and not that fit like the guys who got a natural weight at 168 like Canelo and Plant.

But anyway, too much on the speculation side as we will probably get the answers on our mind soon enough. Now, let's focus on David vs Caleb fight. I know there are many people rooting for David and that includes me, but I cannot really disregard Caleb's talent in the ring as the guy also got a good IQ what to do once he's inside dancing with a foe.

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^^ Yes, that is only one thing if you started at a weight class of like 168-175 lbs, you have to clean up your division first because you can only go as high as you body will allow you to. Unlike those who have started in much lower class, then can go to 5 division up and become a champion.

Yes, he is taller than Bivol but you can see his body is very different. Bivol seems to be natural 175 lbs, but he says he can go down to 168 lbs. While David physique is somewhat different in my opinion, if he will add pounds to his body, it seems to be more on his "stomach" and not pure muscle. Even at 168 lbs he is more weight around his belly.

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Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

I agree though, but I don't now what is in the system of David right now as he has been bursting with confidence him and his father are really getting into Caleb and they wanted to win a knockout.

And David said that he wanted to go as high as cruiserweight division,

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“So right now, I definitely want to go up to 175,” said Benavidez to Fight Hub TV during a recent interview. “I know I can win the belt at 175.”

I think it’s definitely very possible but right now, my sights are on 68. I want to be unified world champion at 68, go up to 75 and I think it definitely could be a possibility, cruiserweight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-rule-out-future-cruiserweight-run--172841

But it will already be difficult to fight at 75 with Beterbiev and Bivol, he has history with Bivol though as they used to be sparring partners in the past. But let's see first if he can deliver what he has been saying in this fight against Caleb Plant.

Hmm, he might be asking too much here, as the expression goes, "biting more than you can chew". He should stay first at 168 lbs and see how his career with go here, it could be his perfect weight, his height and age are good for this class.

If he goes to 175 lbs, not only those two Russians, but maybe those rank boxers could be different to beat as it is their natural weight.

So what's more if he is targeting CW, I think this is due to Jack Badou winning against Makabu that this super middleweight thinks they can jump as high as CW, in my opinion.

We can't really stop him if he sees himself at 175 or as high as 200 but he should know that not everything is attainable even if you're someone that talented is talented enough, no matter what he do, David Benavidez is still a human being with limits. He should explore this current division first and it is just too early for him to say that things because he haven't proved himself yet and become a champion.

Yes we can't stop him, many boxers as well in the past have that ambition to move up in weight and claim the belt. But only few and very gifted athletes have done that in the past, Floyd, Manny, Oscar Dela Hoya to name a few.

Oscar though tasted defeated when he tries to go as high as middleweight and fight his now GBP partner in Bernard Hopkins and get knock out in a body punch. So lets see how far David can go in his career.

But who knows how far can David go, right? As per boxrec.com, David's official height is 6'2 which is much taller than Dmitry Bivol, one of the two champion at LHW.

So I'm thinking that he might successfully campaign at 175 or even 200 if he would like because his height will somehow make a difference given that he's also a talent boxer who also got a good KO rate. But just like what @mirakal said, he should first do a clean-up job at 168 to see if he can really make a difference in a much heavier division. Besides, not all boxers can bring their strengths when climbing different weight class.

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Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

I agree though, but I don't now what is in the system of David right now as he has been bursting with confidence him and his father are really getting into Caleb and they wanted to win a knockout.

And David said that he wanted to go as high as cruiserweight division,

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“So right now, I definitely want to go up to 175,” said Benavidez to Fight Hub TV during a recent interview. “I know I can win the belt at 175.”

I think it’s definitely very possible but right now, my sights are on 68. I want to be unified world champion at 68, go up to 75 and I think it definitely could be a possibility, cruiserweight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-rule-out-future-cruiserweight-run--172841

But it will already be difficult to fight at 75 with Beterbiev and Bivol, he has history with Bivol though as they used to be sparring partners in the past. But let's see first if he can deliver what he has been saying in this fight against Caleb Plant.

Hmm, he might be asking too much here, as the expression goes, "biting more than you can chew". He should stay first at 168 lbs and see how his career with go here, it could be his perfect weight, his height and age are good for this class.

If he goes to 175 lbs, not only those two Russians, but maybe those rank boxers could be different to beat as it is their natural weight.

So what's more if he is targeting CW, I think this is due to Jack Badou winning against Makabu that this super middleweight thinks they can jump as high as CW, in my opinion.

We can't really stop him if he sees himself at 175 or as high as 200 but he should know that not everything is attainable even if you're someone that talented is talented enough, no matter what he do, David Benavidez is still a human being with limits. He should explore this current division first and it is just too early for him to say that things because he haven't proved himself yet and become a champion.

Yes we can't stop him, many boxers as well in the past have that ambition to move up in weight and claim the belt. But only few and very gifted athletes have done that in the past, Floyd, Manny, Oscar Dela Hoya to name a few.

Oscar though tasted defeated when he tries to go as high as middleweight and fight his now GBP partner in Bernard Hopkins and get knock out in a body punch. So lets see how far David can go in his career.

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Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

I agree though, but I don't now what is in the system of David right now as he has been bursting with confidence him and his father are really getting into Caleb and they wanted to win a knockout.

And David said that he wanted to go as high as cruiserweight division,

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“So right now, I definitely want to go up to 175,” said Benavidez to Fight Hub TV during a recent interview. “I know I can win the belt at 175.”

I think it’s definitely very possible but right now, my sights are on 68. I want to be unified world champion at 68, go up to 75 and I think it definitely could be a possibility, cruiserweight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-rule-out-future-cruiserweight-run--172841

But it will already be difficult to fight at 75 with Beterbiev and Bivol, he has history with Bivol though as they used to be sparring partners in the past. But let's see first if he can deliver what he has been saying in this fight against Caleb Plant.

Hmm, he might be asking too much here, as the expression goes, "biting more than you can chew". He should stay first at 168 lbs and see how his career with go here, it could be his perfect weight, his height and age are good for this class.

If he goes to 175 lbs, not only those two Russians, but maybe those rank boxers could be different to beat as it is their natural weight.

So what's more if he is targeting CW, I think this is due to Jack Badou winning against Makabu that this super middleweight thinks they can jump as high as CW, in my opinion.

We can't really stop him if he sees himself at 175 or as high as 200 but he should know that not everything is attainable even if you're someone that talented is talented enough, no matter what he do, David Benavidez is still a human being with limits. He should explore this current division first and it is just too early for him to say that things because he haven't proved himself yet and become a champion.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 03, 2023, 05:34:34 PM

Quote from: 2double0 on March 03, 2023, 03:51:15 PM

Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

I agree though, but I don't now what is in the system of David right now as he has been bursting with confidence him and his father are really getting into Caleb and they wanted to win a knockout.

And David said that he wanted to go as high as cruiserweight division,

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“So right now, I definitely want to go up to 175,” said Benavidez to Fight Hub TV during a recent interview. “I know I can win the belt at 175.”

I think it’s definitely very possible but right now, my sights are on 68. I want to be unified world champion at 68, go up to 75 and I think it definitely could be a possibility, cruiserweight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-rule-out-future-cruiserweight-run--172841

But it will already be difficult to fight at 75 with Beterbiev and Bivol, he has history with Bivol though as they used to be sparring partners in the past. But let's see first if he can deliver what he has been saying in this fight against Caleb Plant.

Hmm, he might be asking too much here, as the expression goes, "biting more than you can chew". He should stay first at 168 lbs and see how his career with go here, it could be his perfect weight, his height and age are good for this class.

If he goes to 175 lbs, not only those two Russians, but maybe those rank boxers could be different to beat as it is their natural weight.

So what's more if he is targeting CW, I think this is due to Jack Badou winning against Makabu that this super middleweight thinks they can jump as high as CW, in my opinion.

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Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

Well, let us see who will win in end.
Take a look here, Caleb Plant is undefeated with 21 wins and has shown impressive speed and precision in his fights. While David Benavidez has a record of 24 wins with only one loss and has a reputation for being a powerful and aggressive fighter.

Not sure where you get this numbers though, as per boxrec

David Benavidez - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/672259 (26-0)
Caleb Plant - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/684493 (22-1)

Caleb was known for fighting Canelo and losing that fight, so he is not undefeated, while Benavidez hasn't lost at all and has a good KO percentage

Quote from: Ryker1 on March 03, 2023, 05:45:16 PM

We hope this will not negatively impact the issue of Benavidez's past cocaine use, remember that he has served his suspension and completed the required rehabilitation program. While the use of illegal substances is against the rules, it would be unfair to attribute all of Benavidez's past victories solely to drug use. It is important to judge each fighter based on their skills and performance in the ring. Let us see what will happen.

I do agree that it might take a toll on his body, but is was like 5 years ago when he was caught with that in his system. And so far fighting 2018 and beyond he still hasn't lost so not sure if there is a bad effect on him. And this drugs doesn't help boxers to win, it's not a performance enhancing drugs (PED).

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Quote from: Japinat on March 02, 2023, 12:53:29 PM

Yes exactly, especially as a bettor, we should just focus on their talents and strengths to see who got more chances to win in this fight as that's what we needed in order to increase our chances as well. We won't get anywhere if we are also taking affairs on their personal life because that's already none of our business, we know that judges doesn't score based on their personal lives.

Good point, more on their individual skills and how you anticipate the executions of their preparations for this upcoming fight, if we project them to have a good advantage then we can place our spare money under the name of whoever we pick to win the game, though there are different types of gamblers and some will wait for additional offer aside from the ML.

I like to follow that idea. Judges will not judge the fight if in case decision is needed based on their personal lives, but instead on how they perform during the fight. Just saying!

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I do not think that Caleb Plant has any real chance against David Benavidez. For Benavidez this entire fight is just basically a PR/marketing stunt to do right by his fans and his image as well as his overall boxing career. If it was not for his cocaine embarrassment, this fight would probably never even take place.

He did not take any drugs which would enhance his fighting skills/abilities or training regiments, its just him being punished for being found out. This changes nothing in his fighting ability, though. Which is why its going to be an easy win.

I see no reason to punish him for his drug habit other than deceiving his fans who bet money on him to be physically and mentally healthy in his fights. His habit might get him in prison or he might have a heart attack. I guess this makes us feel a bit uneasy to bet on him.

A drug test is part of any sports regulation so David being caught positive deserved punishment. And who knows, his family or any member of his family is also part of the syndicate. Do you remember when his older brother Jose another big potential in boxing was shot and hit in the leg? That injury affected Jose's footwork and was stopped by Crawford.

Anyways, I also think David will be like a bull in the ring, too strong and too heavy-handed against Caleb. Caleb needs to hit David with a damaging shot to get his respect, otherwise, David will just continue to become aggressive and might even open himself to lure Caleb's defense. I see a David stoppage in the 2nd half of the fight but I am hoping for the underdog Caleb to pull an upset.

David Benavidez getting his punishment in the past was already enough for him because every move has always a consequence entailed, but speculating or accusing that maybe one or two of his family are also using it? That's quite a bit too much mate, and if ever you are right, we don't have any right to prosecute them because that's their personal life.

I bet you wouldn't want the same thing too and hear that somebody is accusing you or a member of your family, right? So, let's just focus on the topic and let their personal lives out of this.

^Definitely right and I completely agree with your point that speculating or accusing David Benavidez's family members of drug use is not fair and is crossing a line. It is important to separate personal lives from professional careers and judge each fighter based on their performance in the ring. The use of illegal substances is against the rules, and David Benavidez has already faced the consequences of his actions. As you rightly pointed out, we should not be quick to judge or accuse someone or their family members without any evidence. Therefore, let us focus on the topic at hand and leave their personal lives out of this. It is a show of respect to them and I get it right.

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Quote from: 2double0 on March 03, 2023, 03:51:15 PM

Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

Well, let us see who will win in end.
Take a look here, Caleb Plant is undefeated with 21 wins and has shown impressive speed and precision in his fights. While David Benavidez has a record of 24 wins with only one loss and has a reputation for being a powerful and aggressive fighter.
We hope this will not negatively impact the issue of Benavidez's past cocaine use, remember that he has served his suspension and completed the required rehabilitation program. While the use of illegal substances is against the rules, it would be unfair to attribute all of Benavidez's past victories solely to drug use. It is important to judge each fighter based on their skills and performance in the ring. Let us see what will happen.

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Quote from: 2double0 on March 03, 2023, 03:51:15 PM

Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

I agree though, but I don't now what is in the system of David right now as he has been bursting with confidence him and his father are really getting into Caleb and they wanted to win a knockout.

And David said that he wanted to go as high as cruiserweight division,

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“So right now, I definitely want to go up to 175,” said Benavidez to Fight Hub TV during a recent interview. “I know I can win the belt at 175.”

I think it’s definitely very possible but right now, my sights are on 68. I want to be unified world champion at 68, go up to 75 and I think it definitely could be a possibility, cruiserweight.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-rule-out-future-cruiserweight-run--172841

But it will already be difficult to fight at 75 with Beterbiev and Bivol, he has history with Bivol though as they used to be sparring partners in the past. But let's see first if he can deliver what he has been saying in this fight against Caleb Plant.

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Based on the recent past with Benavidez and the wins by Plant, I don't think it will be an easy win fight for Benavidez and he could also lose to Plant following he used cocaine in his fights before which is against the rule. I'd place a bet on Caleb Plant as he signed this contract and came ahead to fight out, and I believe that passion pays off so if Benavidez loses to Plant, it'll prove that he used to win his matches due to his drug addiction.

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I do not think that Caleb Plant has any real chance against David Benavidez. For Benavidez this entire fight is just basically a PR/marketing stunt to do right by his fans and his image as well as his overall boxing career. If it was not for his cocaine embarrassment, this fight would probably never even take place.

He did not take any drugs which would enhance his fighting skills/abilities or training regiments, its just him being punished for being found out. This changes nothing in his fighting ability, though. Which is why its going to be an easy win.

I see no reason to punish him for his drug habit other than deceiving his fans who bet money on him to be physically and mentally healthy in his fights. His habit might get him in prison or he might have a heart attack. I guess this makes us feel a bit uneasy to bet on him.

A drug test is part of any sports regulation so David being caught positive deserved punishment. And who knows, his family or any member of his family is also part of the syndicate. Do you remember when his older brother Jose another big potential in boxing was shot and hit in the leg? That injury affected Jose's footwork and was stopped by Crawford.

Anyways, I also think David will be like a bull in the ring, too strong and too heavy-handed against Caleb. Caleb needs to hit David with a damaging shot to get his respect, otherwise, David will just continue to become aggressive and might even open himself to lure Caleb's defense. I see a David stoppage in the 2nd half of the fight but I am hoping for the underdog Caleb to pull an upset.

David Benavidez getting his punishment in the past was already enough for him because every move has always a consequence entailed, but speculating or accusing that maybe one or two of his family are also using it? That's quite a bit too much mate, and if ever you are right, we don't have any right to prosecute them because that's their personal life.

I bet you wouldn't want the same thing too and hear that somebody is accusing you or a member of your family, right? So, let's just focus on the topic and let their personal lives out of this.

Yeah it was in the past and he's now in this stage likewise drug test is a part of any sport and if David will get the go signal, then we will see him inside the ring and will showcase his talent, I don't want to go with their personal life as it's their position to decide where to bring it, I'm more on the capabilities of these two fighters in trying to win over one another.

Yes exactly, especially as a bettor, we should just focus on their talents and strengths to see who got more chances to win in this fight as that's what we needed in order to increase our chances as well. We won't get anywhere if we are also taking affairs on their personal life because that's already none of our business, we know that judges doesn't score based on their personal lives.

I couldn't agree more with that. So, let's just separate their personal lives from their professional career as there no need to discuss such topic because it won't help the fans decide where to lean on and as well as the bettors, it won't certainly help them to decide where to bet because people are giving more time discussing about the irrelevant topics.

Anyway, back to the fight. This is good because both boxer did established a sourly and intense tempo towards each other, the fans are delighted for sure about it and already excited to see the fight before this month ends. As for me, I'm currently leaning on David Benavidez.

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I urge you to watch the kick off press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvz6ai6ZqFU

Hehehe, it was very heated, Benavidez mouth was running and trash talking the hell out of Caleb Plant.

It was very intense that they can go fighting in that podium. Maybe Caleb hit it on the mark when he says that Benavidez has issues before like not making weight and the drugs that's why he is so furious and continue to attack Caleb verbally.

But in any case it's already living to the hype in their first press conference.

Obviously, Benavidez hates Caleb Plant there's too much disrespect for Caleb Plant, I consider Benavidez a better fighter but I want Plant to knock him out, Benavidez is too brazen its understandable because the drug issue is very sensitive for Benavidez, this is just the first conference I expect the thrash talks to be more heated and they may even have a brawl if Caleb keeps hitting him.
Thrashtalks like this with both fighters hating each other are good for the preparation of the fight night.

I would agree that maybe Benavidez went overboard here, there's so much hate and disrespect, you can actually feel it when watch the pressere.

So by now it's hard to like the personality of Benavidez and his father, and remember that this is the just the first press conference, just wait till the face off and maybe we will see another Canelo vs Plant action hehehe. Let's see if Benavidez can back up all his trash talking, we know that he has the tools though, but Caleb after this, might be fueling inside and wanted to punch that big mouth of David.

You’re right. Plant must have been disrespected so much that he’s eagerness to fight back Benavidez has completely reach the highest level. Well, this is a good motivation either to finally become one of the toughest boxer as his opponent is always tough and hard to beat inside the ring. But I still believe trash talking never make them great at all, unless if Benavidez can prove all his words against Plant and he can prove to anyone that he can dominate Plant inside the ring.

Well, we couldn't ask for more because this is the exact thing that we wanted to happen where both camps will be intense because the trash talks are getting into their skins.

This will be fun because both boxers are too eager to finish the fight with a bang because of what happened between them. But I agree, Benavidez might've gone too deep with that because Caleb wasn't happy afterwards and I won't be surprised if Caleb will suddenly explode in the day of their fight. I guess he should already know the purpose of these trash talks.

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I do not think that Caleb Plant has any real chance against David Benavidez. For Benavidez this entire fight is just basically a PR/marketing stunt to do right by his fans and his image as well as his overall boxing career. If it was not for his cocaine embarrassment, this fight would probably never even take place.

He did not take any drugs which would enhance his fighting skills/abilities or training regiments, its just him being punished for being found out. This changes nothing in his fighting ability, though. Which is why its going to be an easy win.

I see no reason to punish him for his drug habit other than deceiving his fans who bet money on him to be physically and mentally healthy in his fights. His habit might get him in prison or he might have a heart attack. I guess this makes us feel a bit uneasy to bet on him.

A drug test is part of any sports regulation so David being caught positive deserved punishment. And who knows, his family or any member of his family is also part of the syndicate. Do you remember when his older brother Jose another big potential in boxing was shot and hit in the leg? That injury affected Jose's footwork and was stopped by Crawford.

Anyways, I also think David will be like a bull in the ring, too strong and too heavy-handed against Caleb. Caleb needs to hit David with a damaging shot to get his respect, otherwise, David will just continue to become aggressive and might even open himself to lure Caleb's defense. I see a David stoppage in the 2nd half of the fight but I am hoping for the underdog Caleb to pull an upset.

David Benavidez getting his punishment in the past was already enough for him because every move has always a consequence entailed, but speculating or accusing that maybe one or two of his family are also using it? That's quite a bit too much mate, and if ever you are right, we don't have any right to prosecute them because that's their personal life.

I bet you wouldn't want the same thing too and hear that somebody is accusing you or a member of your family, right? So, let's just focus on the topic and let their personal lives out of this.

Yeah it was in the past and he's now in this stage likewise drug test is a part of any sport and if David will get the go signal, then we will see him inside the ring and will showcase his talent, I don't want to go with their personal life as it's their position to decide where to bring it, I'm more on the capabilities of these two fighters in trying to win over one another.

Yes exactly, especially as a bettor, we should just focus on their talents and strengths to see who got more chances to win in this fight as that's what we needed in order to increase our chances as well. We won't get anywhere if we are also taking affairs on their personal life because that's already none of our business, we know that judges doesn't score based on their personal lives.

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I urge you to watch the kick off press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvz6ai6ZqFU

Hehehe, it was very heated, Benavidez mouth was running and trash talking the hell out of Caleb Plant.

It was very intense that they can go fighting in that podium. Maybe Caleb hit it on the mark when he says that Benavidez has issues before like not making weight and the drugs that's why he is so furious and continue to attack Caleb verbally.

But in any case it's already living to the hype in their first press conference.

Obviously, Benavidez hates Caleb Plant there's too much disrespect for Caleb Plant, I consider Benavidez a better fighter but I want Plant to knock him out, Benavidez is too brazen its understandable because the drug issue is very sensitive for Benavidez, this is just the first conference I expect the thrash talks to be more heated and they may even have a brawl if Caleb keeps hitting him.
Thrashtalks like this with both fighters hating each other are good for the preparation of the fight night.

I would agree that maybe Benavidez went overboard here, there's so much hate and disrespect, you can actually feel it when watch the pressere.

So by now it's hard to like the personality of Benavidez and his father, and remember that this is the just the first press conference, just wait till the face off and maybe we will see another Canelo vs Plant action hehehe. Let's see if Benavidez can back up all his trash talking, we know that he has the tools though, but Caleb after this, might be fueling inside and wanted to punch that big mouth of David.

You’re right. Plant must have been disrespected so much that he’s eagerness to fight back Benavidez has completely reach the highest level. Well, this is a good motivation either to finally become one of the toughest boxer as his opponent is always tough and hard to beat inside the ring. But I still believe trash talking never make them great at all, unless if Benavidez can prove all his words against Plant and he can prove to anyone that he can dominate Plant inside the ring.

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I do not think that Caleb Plant has any real chance against David Benavidez. For Benavidez this entire fight is just basically a PR/marketing stunt to do right by his fans and his image as well as his overall boxing career. If it was not for his cocaine embarrassment, this fight would probably never even take place.

He did not take any drugs which would enhance his fighting skills/abilities or training regiments, its just him being punished for being found out. This changes nothing in his fighting ability, though. Which is why its going to be an easy win.

I see no reason to punish him for his drug habit other than deceiving his fans who bet money on him to be physically and mentally healthy in his fights. His habit might get him in prison or he might have a heart attack. I guess this makes us feel a bit uneasy to bet on him.

A drug test is part of any sports regulation so David being caught positive deserved punishment. And who knows, his family or any member of his family is also part of the syndicate. Do you remember when his older brother Jose another big potential in boxing was shot and hit in the leg? That injury affected Jose's footwork and was stopped by Crawford.

Anyways, I also think David will be like a bull in the ring, too strong and too heavy-handed against Caleb. Caleb needs to hit David with a damaging shot to get his respect, otherwise, David will just continue to become aggressive and might even open himself to lure Caleb's defense. I see a David stoppage in the 2nd half of the fight but I am hoping for the underdog Caleb to pull an upset.

David Benavidez getting his punishment in the past was already enough for him because every move has always a consequence entailed, but speculating or accusing that maybe one or two of his family are also using it? That's quite a bit too much mate, and if ever you are right, we don't have any right to prosecute them because that's their personal life.

I bet you wouldn't want the same thing too and hear that somebody is accusing you or a member of your family, right? So, let's just focus on the topic and let their personal lives out of this.

Yeah it was in the past and he's now in this stage likewise drug test is a part of any sport and if David will get the go signal, then we will see him inside the ring and will showcase his talent, I don't want to go with their personal life as it's their position to decide where to bring it, I'm more on the capabilities of these two fighters in trying to win over one another.

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