Topic: [Boxing]: Caleb Plant vs David Benavidez - page 9. (Read 3814 times)

Yes, but we wanted to see Canelo first testing himself against David Benavidez, I don't buy the reason from him not fighting another Mexican, probably this is just an excuse from him if ever David wins here and then he avoided at all cost.

But the thing is that Canelo is the cash cow and so it's hard for this body to enforce their mandatory to him.

He will have his one way on who he is going to fight next, lucky Ryder if he will be chosen by Canelo as his next potential opponent next because his name is floating around.

He has the interim belt at WBC, of course the regular belt is with Canelo right now. So it make sense that Canelo should give Plant that chance to fight for the regular WBC belt if he wins. But as Canelo said, he doesn't want to fight another Mexican so we will see how it goes, if Canelo is stubborn and doesn't want to give him that shot or vacate his belt instead. And if that scenario happens then Benavidez should be elevated as the regular champion then.

Bivol options could be (a) fight Canelo at 168 lbs, for all of Canelo's belt, (b) they go at it at 175 lbs, (c) wait for the Beterviev vs Yarde and fight the winner.

So the division is still a mess this early, too many scenario taking shape, so let's wait in March after this fight.

As always. Sulaiman will do everything in the name of money. I actually wished it would've happened. Makabu is short in the division which is probably the reason why Canelo considered him but it also means the guy is bulky. Makabu is not that fast but he is heavy-handed. Maybe Canelo will lead in the scores but it's a 12-round fight. Sooner or later Makabu should be able to hit Canelo with some of his bombs because the Mexican is not that fast either. And I doubt Canelo can take bombs from a KO artist at cruiserweight.

I am not an expert but the WBC interim should be used only when the champion is injured or if the champion has a legit excuse. And Canelo was not injured nor has a valid excuse to defend his belts from his mandatories. Instead of issuing the interim belt, the WBC should've made Benavidez mandatory right away. This is a way of prolonging a mandatory on Canelo and allowing him to pick his fights. Benavidez no doubt has a legit claim on the belt since he was the former champion and only lost it because he failed to make the weight. And since he wants to remain in the same division, then the race for the sanctioning bodies to give him a high ranking or mandatory is on. And Benavidez is the 2nd biggest name in the division after Canelo. The interim allowed the WBC to take a grip on Benavidez (the WBC will take a cut on its purse), otherwise, the other sanctioning bodies (WBA, IBF, and WBO) will be the ones giving Benavidez an eliminator or an automatic mandatory.

Usually, the WBC is always accommodating to superstars because of the money they bring. And Canelo is one of them. There was a time though when the WBC under huge pressure from the boxing community finally issued Canelo to face GGG who's been campaigning to unify all 4 belts. The result was either Canelo was stripped or he voluntarily vacated the belt. We will see if the WBC will do that again. IMO, Benavidez is nowhere near the level of GGG's stardom which means the WBC will make a way to buy time if Canelo won't accept the mando. The excuse the WBC will use is probably Canelo's injury that he needs a tune-up and the next excuse is the rematch clause between Canelo and Bivol whom I believe is already expired and the contract was at 175 but the WBC will make it legit since Bivol agrees to the rematch at 168.

@Boafeng, @bisdak and the other boxing experts in the forum. What would a victory bring for Benavidez? Does this make him the next mandatory challenger vs. Canelo Alvarez? There were some articles that mentioned Canelo wants a rematch vs. Bivol but Bivol wants a light heavyweight unification fight vs. Beterbiev. This might be head shaking and it might make it appear that Canelo is afraid to risk his championship status in a fight against Benavidez hehe.

What are your speculations or predictions?

Yes and that's what majority here wanted Benavidez to win against Caleb so that we will not see him against Canelo the second time around. And maybe Canelo will be motivated facing a young challenger in Benavidez for him. It's like turning the tide, now Canelo is the more experience one and some young challenger trying to get his belt. So hopefully all the scenario that we wanted to see will happen, David Benavidez winning with a statement, then Canelo willing to give him the chance.

True, Bivol said he is willing to go down to 168 lbs as long as Canelo will put his belt on the line for him. So maybe that is the greatness that Bivol is chasing then, for the money and for his legacy, beating 2x Canelo and then taking his super middle weight belt.


I also doubt that, Sulaiman has been Canelo dick in his mouth, and so he will get everything that Canelo requested. Remember that 2 years ago in their yearly WBC convention Canelo requested that he wants to go as to Cruiserweight and challenge Makabu, and without a heartbeat, Sulaiman says yes to the proposal although it didn't happen as Canelo chooses Bivol which backfire on him.

Well the only reason that Bivol will fight Canelo at 168 lbs is that if there is a belt on the line.


https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/dmitry-bivol-still-wants-to-fight-canelo-for-his-168-lb-belts/

So the Russian want's a challenge, but as he had he is walking around 195 lbs, so that is a huge drop on weight for him if he will agree to fight Canelo at 168 lbs with Canelo's belt on the line. And he could be the only person to beat him twice in different weight categories.

Damn! No more John Ryder, please. Canelo already cherry-picked him before and the fight was not even close. If Canelo wants a tune-up, he should pick a new name, maybe someone undefeated but unproven at the higher level.

I read somewhere that after the tune-up, the plan is for Canelo to defend his undisputed belts against Bivol. Lately, Bivol already said that he is willing to drop down in weight for Canelo's undisputed belts at 168.

And I doubt that the corrupt WBC will strip the biggest name in boxing for not fighting the winner of Benavidez-Plant. These sanctioning belts especially the WBA and WBC are money first before following their rules. That is why they intentionally put special cases and exemptions in their own rules to cater to their interests. Bivol-Canelo rematch combined purse may be worth $60 million or more. A simple cut of 2% to 3% is over a million dollars. That's a lot of money for Mauricio Sulaiman to miss.

By saying it's frozen, does it mean there's still a chance that they will give that winning at the right time? And about that sanction, is it still on until now? I know everyone wants to see a rematch between him and Canelo, but with that kind of sanctions, what kind of reward he will get if he wins?

I am not sure regarding Bivol. First of all, he is not happy about not receiving the purse for his fight against Canelo that happened last year. The payment was frozen as a result of US sanctions against Russian athletes and as far as I know Bivol hasn't received a penny yet. And secondly it is funny that Canelo wants Bivol to drain down to 168 lb. Why should Bivol do that? Canelo already lost to Bivol and now it is the former's responsibility to set up a re-match. I don't think that Bivol would agree to move the fight from 175 lb. The risk is too large and there is almost zero reward in offer.

For me, Canelo is really picking daisies and rose petals, first of all he wants to have a lot of attention, that's something obvious, just with what he did in the World Cup with Messi, I realized that what he wants is to have a lot of fame, but sometimes it seems to me something infallible what he does and that is not the right way, perhaps that is why 'Bivol does not want to give him a rematch because what Bivol wants is something more serious, he wants titles, he wants to promote, and obviously with Canelo he will only have a rematch , it will not give him more, on the contrary if Bivol loses, he will lose many of the things he has won, in part I understand what Bivol is. Plan and Benevidez are very different things, it is another case and things look different.


Well, I don't know, but apparently Canelo has once again given something to talk about, for his part, I don't even know if Bivol would give him a rematch, if he already went up and sees that it is convenient for him to fight Canelo, he will, otherwise I don't know if he accepts, he what he thinks is that he already beat him, so he has already passed that stage, he would have to have a lot of audience, a lot of demand to be able to fight with him and obviously they give him a lot of money, for his part now well with Benavidez And Caleb still have My doubts, I don't know who I could lean toward, some go squarely with Caleb, but due to everything he has said, there has been speculation, and in some boxing forums it is not clear to me when making a good bet.

Daily Bread Mailbag: Artur Beterbiev, Plant-Benavidez, Jaron Ennis, More




Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-artur-beterbiev-plant-benavidez-jaron-ennis-more--171640

Yes, because that will be a new sight to see and aside from that, David actually got the upper hand between him and Plant (even if he's a flat footed). David already proved himself that his time has already come to have bite against the champion and Plant is the last hurdle before he can actually face Canelo. But if ever it turns out that Caleb Plant will be the winner here, there will no hype from him to chase Canelo because people are not expecting anything from him anymore. Straight fact, he's already done.

Yes, that's Canelo's scenario for now because he have to watch his wrist first if it's already healed or not. He's quite older already so the tissues are not that healing fast compared to a boxer in the midst of his 20s. I just hope there would be no delay because I still wanted to see Canelo dance during his prime years and fight the heavy names in the industry that are after him.


That's true! Whether if it's super-middle or light-heavy, there will be a belt for sure. But Canelo got more risk because he got 4 in the line unlike Bivol where only got 1 title to risk. Anyway, we will see how things will turn out soon enough.

^^ Everyone here is inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo, it will be a fresh challenge for the cash cow and so it will be interesting how he will deal with the youth of Benavidez and the speed and the power as well (although David is flat footed).

And I'm thinking that if Plant wins here, Canelo will not give him another opportunity.

He might go directly with Bivol again, regardless if the weight is 168-175 lbs. Bivol is more willing to fight Canelo at this point for his legacy.

They really need to think it thoroughly and carefully because it will be an expensive mistake if they will decide to contest the fight at 168 lbs. rather than making the fight happen where their first encounter happened. The risks is just too great for Canelo Alvarez to bear, he doesn't have to prove anything anymore.

Back to the topic, it's much interesting to see if Canelo will give the winner of this bout to face him this year after Canelo's tune-up fight with Ryder and having said that, I'm more inclined to see Benavidez vs Canelo rather than Plant vs Canelo as there won't be any difference if these two will meet again.

Bivol have all the reason not to do so, a legit champ who can play now with Canelo, like you I'm sure it's Canelo that will re-try
his chance and call for the rematch, if in-case he manage to win.

A good trilogy that will bring more money to both camps, we know the influence of huge amount it's not surprising if ever
that it will happen right?


It's a huge gamble for Canelo because he suffered defeat during his attempt, but who knows maybe in the 2nd try he'll succeed.