[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence - page 44.

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Quote from: Shamm on June 17, 2022, 06:11:34 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2022, 09:38:10 PM

^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

Spence has nothing to lose if Crawford will choose not to make this fight happen, both are still undefeated but based on the number of belts, Spence has an edge and most of his opponents are quality opponents compared to Crawford. He should not be greedy here, be smart and take the chance even if he only gets 40% of the total purse or revenue.

Yes, you are right that mate, they are both undefeated and this fight will happen maybe the best fighter win and claim the belts. But there's no formal announcement yet for this fight maybe it will happen in the last month of this year.
Also I agree with you mate that Spencer must not be too much greedy for this fight cause if. He doo that for sure Crawford will use that as a big advantage wait for the timing and boom spence will loss.

If this fight won't materialized, it will be Crawford's loss as he needs Spence more than the latter needs him. But I certainly believe that this fight won't just remain a hype and eventually we can get some updates soon regarding to its date and place as well as the time, Crawford has been waiting for this and now Spence is answering. A 40% purse cut is already big on his behalf because he is now free agent unlike Spence who have promoter to share with.

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Quote from: TravelMug on June 17, 2022, 09:29:34 PM

^ I think we will all agree that 50/50 is not going to happen. Spence teams has some leverage in the negotiations and Crawford is push on the wall and would have to accept what is going to be offered for him. 60/40? fair, 70/30 good but there could be other factors to be involved like the PPV split to somewhat balance it to his favor.

I remember when Crawford was still with Bob, there was a suggestion from Arum that the split should be 40/40 and then then the winner gets that 20 additional. Not sure if they are going to look at this option.

PPV share is probably the only remaining reason why this fight is not yet finalized. I liked Eddie Hearn saying that this fight needs to happen. Otherwise Eddie can offer Bud a good amount of money but it will only make the Spence fight more difficult to stage.

Errol Spence has more aces now when it comes to money. Lately, he's got more PPV numbers than Bud. Errol Spence while only ranked 4th in the pound for pound Ring list compared to Bud's 3rd rank owns the IBF, WBC and WBA while Bud only has the WBO.

Legacy wise, Bud is a 3 division champion, been an undisputed champion and a former number 1 pound for pound fighter. These achievements are enough to guarantee his future in boxing's Hall of Fame.

Time is not on Bud's side though. The sooner this fight happens, the better for Spence. Damn, Bud is already turning 36 next year. Physically he is already past his prime although his skills and iq are one in a million. And obviously it is Errol Spence ducking for many years hiding under Al's gown.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 17, 2022, 10:41:52 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2022, 09:38:10 PM

^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

Spence has nothing to lose if Crawford will choose not to make this fight happen, both are still undefeated but based on the number of belts, Spence has an edge and most of his opponents are quality opponents compared to Crawford. He should not be greedy here, be smart and take the chance even if he only gets 40% of the total purse or revenue.

That's what I'm saying, 40% is not that bad. And in this magnitude of fight, Crawford can still make a lot of money and this could be his biggest paycheck even though he is the A-side in his everything fight when he was under Top Rank. And maybe they could include a rematch clause, and if he wins then he can demand more money in the second fight. And I guess it's not being greedy, just asking what he deserved to get in this big match.

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^ I think we will all agree that 50/50 is not going to happen. Spence teams has some leverage in the negotiations and Crawford is push on the wall and would have to accept what is going to be offered for him. 60/40? fair, 70/30 good but there could be other factors to be involved like the PPV split to somewhat balance it to his favor.

I remember when Crawford was still with Bob, there was a suggestion from Arum that the split should be 40/40 and then then the winner gets that 20 additional. Not sure if they are going to look at this option.

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Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

Terence Crawford gives Errol Spence Jr fight update

Terence Crawford himself gives an update recently that they are still trying to make the fight possible.

And I quote from the article:

"What makes things difficult is the 34-year-old Crawford only has one belt to Spence’s three, and he’s not a huge pay-per-view attraction or ticket seller like him. Although Crawford is ranked ahead of Spence in Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound list at #3 to his #4, there’s not enough of a cushion to help in the negotiations."

It's clear that the main subject here is maybe the split. Spence may be demanding a much higher split above 60-40 because of his pay-per-view revenue and multi-title in possession. That seems reasonable to be demanded by Spence. If everything failed, Crawford may consider moving up weight instead and forget fighting Spence until the latter calls for him.

So what is happening in this fight? I thought this is already settled and there's already a date of the said fight. Well, 60/40 should be a good split, Spence Jr. has more belts and he deserve a higher cut of the revenue, I hope Crawford will understand that because if he wins this fight, he will be the undisputed champion.

Crawford should take the smaller financial take on this fight? Man I hope this fight goes off now. A pissed off disrespected Crawford will whoop Spence's ass. Crawford been disrespected his whole career, and all he does is completely wreck everyone in the ring. This should go off at 50/50 with the winner getting the belts. I see no other way this will go off.

I think 50/50 is not gonna happened. Crawford might feel disrespected but to fully take a chance to beat Spence ass, he just need to accept the split. Stealing those 3 titles from Spence should be his priority and focus. That 40% split is still a big money while at the same time, he have the chance to become the unified Welterweight Champion.

After defeating Spence, he can now challenge more big names next and since he now have the status of an unified champion, he can now demand for a much higher split. That's a reasonable thing do now for him as an undisputed Champion.

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Quote from: Shamm on June 17, 2022, 06:11:34 PM

But there's no formal announcement yet for this fight maybe it will happen in the last month of this year.

I think not that long. Both fighters might don't like to be vacant for long and they want to fight happen as quickly as possible. As someone shared above, it's already close to happening but maybe the split is just the big concern. 50-50 is not happening if Crawford wants that. 70-30 on the other hand is not happening if Spence wants that. The fair split for this is 60-40 in favor with Spence. Should not be a big issue to Crawford if the target is Spence's hold World Title.

I think official announcement will be done this month or next. The buzz about this fight happening for real is just around corner. I will speculate that the fight will happened in October or November. That's one for sure as they have respective plans for next year.

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 17, 2022, 10:41:52 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2022, 09:38:10 PM

^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

Spence has nothing to lose if Crawford will choose not to make this fight happen, both are still undefeated but based on the number of belts, Spence has an edge and most of his opponents are quality opponents compared to Crawford. He should not be greedy here, be smart and take the chance even if he only gets 40% of the total purse or revenue.

Yes, you are right that mate, they are both undefeated and this fight will happen maybe the best fighter win and claim the belts. But there's no formal announcement yet for this fight maybe it will happen in the last month of this year.
Also I agree with you mate that Spencer must not be too much greedy for this fight cause if. He doo that for sure Crawford will use that as a big advantage wait for the timing and boom spence will loss.

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Bob Arum was just milking him too much without understanding his boxers as they too have boxers in my mind to help them in climbing the ladder. Now that he's a free agent, he can decide anything and will earn more without giving some cut to his promoters.

Great fighters like Crawford should leave promoters like Arum, look at what happened to Canelo he is on his own and can fight anybody, Crawford's road to greatness is to have a legacy fight like the Spence fight, he miss this chance, and he'll regret this for the rest of his lie.

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Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

I'm also hoping that we finally have a date and venue so we can stop speculating and erase our doubts that these two fighters are just taking us for a ride.

And he already did leave Bob Arum, I wish he decided that years earlier to avoid waste of time because his talent is so much valuable but sadly that wasn't put to good use as he's only faced against a medium boxer, unlike Spence who took good boxers that's why he had 3 belts and done the most cleaning up in the division.

I believe this fight will surely happen this year and not next year, so maybe November or December will be the month for that.

He can't just leave that time, those contracts that they are sign are iron clad, remember that Bob Arum is a lawyer so anything he laid down with his boxers are hard to bent and if you dishonor it, will have a drastic effect on your career in the long run.

Just look at Yuri Gamboa, he breached the contract with Bob Arum, went to litigation, lost his prime years not boxing because of the case and the outcome of it. When he comes back, he was no longer himself. He could have been a good champion at 130-135, made a lot of money, but bad decision.

At least Bud was smarter, finished his contract with Top Rank and now chases his biggest fight. So even if he get less, without Bob in the middle, he can still make a lot of money.

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Bob Arum was just milking him too much without understanding his boxers as they too have boxers in my mind to help them in climbing the ladder. Now that he's a free agent, he can decide anything and will earn more without giving some cut to his promoters.

Great fighters like Crawford should leave promoters like Arum, look at what happened to Canelo he is on his own and can fight anybody, Crawford's road to greatness is to have a legacy fight like the Spence fight, he miss this chance, and he'll regret this for the rest of his lie.

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Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

I'm also hoping that we finally have a date and venue so we can stop speculating and erase our doubts that these two fighters are just taking us for a ride.

And he already did leave Bob Arum, I wish he decided that years earlier to avoid waste of time because his talent is so much valuable but sadly that wasn't put to good use as he's only faced against a medium boxer, unlike Spence who took good boxers that's why he had 3 belts and done the most cleaning up in the division.

I believe this fight will surely happen this year and not next year, so maybe November or December will be the month for that.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 16, 2022, 09:38:10 PM

^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

Spence has nothing to lose if Crawford will choose not to make this fight happen, both are still undefeated but based on the number of belts, Spence has an edge and most of his opponents are quality opponents compared to Crawford. He should not be greedy here, be smart and take the chance even if he only gets 40% of the total purse or revenue.

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^^ I think it will back fire on Crawford if this fight will break down just because he wants more or at least 50/50. He is a good fighter no doubt, but his PPV numbers are not that good compare to Spence and he should accept that fact.

So we can say that Spence is the A-sde and could be dictating the terms. But that should be fine with Crawford. What is foremost is that this fight is going to be made without any manager excuses on the side of Crawford. Because that has been the sticking point ever since, Bob Arum doesn't want to deal or wont allow Crawford face a PBC fighter. That is eliminate since he is managing his own career now.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on June 16, 2022, 06:41:48 PM

This should go off at 50/50 with the winner getting the belts. I see no other way this will go off.

But in today's boxing, that's not how it works. Not just the achievement but a highly recognized boxer will just deal on something "if the price is right". Money matters when a boxer is on a top level and the fact that Spence is holding 3 titles and will put those at stake.

If we refer to and check all Spence Jr. PPVs, all those are sold out and considered blockbusters compare to Crawford. Ticket sales are also highly in-demand when Spence is fighting to compare to Crawford. It means regardless of who Spence fought, he always achieved the target sales or even beyond that compared to Crawford that can't even bring the fight in the hype.

It's reasonable for a 60/40 split in favor of Spence. If Crawford doesn't like it, better skip Spence and choose other opponents which unlikely won't happen as Crawford really eyes unifying all the Welterweight Title. They will soon reach an agreement of 60/40 and that should be fair if Crawford's main target is to take down Spence regardless of the split as long as it's reasonable.

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^^ I think though that this might go on Spence side, 60-40 at least. I agree that Crawford has been disrespected in his career and didn't get the nod from boxing fans because of the opponent that he has been facing in the past. But he beat a good boxer in Porter (the first man to stop him, Spence went tooth and nail and won via SD).

And I guess to get the value here, and just to make the fight happen, he might give in to that purse split take the money and then bet Spence, fair and square and quiet those who criticized and become the undisputed.

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Quote from: Maslate on June 16, 2022, 06:29:47 PM

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Quote from: mirakal on June 16, 2022, 03:13:08 PM

Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

Terence Crawford gives Errol Spence Jr fight update

Terence Crawford himself gives an update recently that they are still trying to make the fight possible.

And I quote from the article:

"What makes things difficult is the 34-year-old Crawford only has one belt to Spence’s three, and he’s not a huge pay-per-view attraction or ticket seller like him. Although Crawford is ranked ahead of Spence in Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound list at #3 to his #4, there’s not enough of a cushion to help in the negotiations."

It's clear that the main subject here is maybe the split. Spence may be demanding a much higher split above 60-40 because of his pay-per-view revenue and multi-title in possession. That seems reasonable to be demanded by Spence. If everything failed, Crawford may consider moving up weight instead and forget fighting Spence until the latter calls for him.

So what is happening in this fight? I thought this is already settled and there's already a date of the said fight. Well, 60/40 should be a good split, Spence Jr. has more belts and he deserve a higher cut of the revenue, I hope Crawford will understand that because if he wins this fight, he will be the undisputed champion.

Crawford should take the smaller financial take on this fight? Man I hope this fight goes off now. A pissed off disrespected Crawford will whoop Spence's ass. Crawford been disrespected his whole career, and all he does is completely wreck everyone in the ring. This should go off at 50/50 with the winner getting the belts. I see no other way this will go off.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 16, 2022, 03:13:08 PM

Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

Terence Crawford gives Errol Spence Jr fight update

Terence Crawford himself gives an update recently that they are still trying to make the fight possible.

And I quote from the article:

"What makes things difficult is the 34-year-old Crawford only has one belt to Spence’s three, and he’s not a huge pay-per-view attraction or ticket seller like him. Although Crawford is ranked ahead of Spence in Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound list at #3 to his #4, there’s not enough of a cushion to help in the negotiations."

It's clear that the main subject here is maybe the split. Spence may be demanding a much higher split above 60-40 because of his pay-per-view revenue and multi-title in possession. That seems reasonable to be demanded by Spence. If everything failed, Crawford may consider moving up weight instead and forget fighting Spence until the latter calls for him.

So what is happening in this fight? I thought this is already settled and there's already a date of the said fight. Well, 60/40 should be a good split, Spence Jr. has more belts and he deserve a higher cut of the revenue, I hope Crawford will understand that because if he wins this fight, he will be the undisputed champion.

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Quote from: mirakal on June 16, 2022, 03:13:08 PM

Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

Terence Crawford gives Errol Spence Jr fight update

Terence Crawford himself gives an update recently that they are still trying to make the fight possible.

And I quote from the article:

"What makes things difficult is the 34-year-old Crawford only has one belt to Spence’s three, and he’s not a huge pay-per-view attraction or ticket seller like him. Although Crawford is ranked ahead of Spence in Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound list at #3 to his #4, there’s not enough of a cushion to help in the negotiations."

It's clear that the main subject here is maybe the split. Spence may be demanding a much higher split above 60-40 because of his pay-per-view revenue and multi-title in possession. That seems reasonable to be demanded by Spence. If everything failed, Crawford may consider moving up weight instead and forget fighting Spence until the latter calls for him.

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And it seems this is also the way Tank Davis is going with his career, not to sign with Floyd and be a freelancer so that he can make his own fight. Fight that we fans deserved, after all, we are the one bringing the money for these top boxers so they understand if we didn't get the fight we wanted.

We missed the 80's and 90's boxing where the best only meet the best now fighters within the same promotion are the ones fighting each other and they don't care about boxers from the other side, like what's happening to UFC and WWE where you cannot fight fighters from other promotions, that is bad for boxing, the boxing organizations should step and allow inter promotions so the best fighter will only fight the best.

Yes, that was a bad ass era, lots of great boxers facing each other without any question because of their machismo, they want to proved who is the best. But time has change, boxing is now control by few promoters and networks that they can control which fight is going to happen. And unless there are millions in the table, they are not willing to put the best boxers against each other.

That's true, especially if both fighters are popular just like these two boxers, this deserves millions of revenue. We all know that boxing is a business and entertainment, so we cannot just easily see a fight we wanted if the promoter does not see a potential to give him the income he expected.

At least though, when Crawford decided to go out of Top Rank, this fight has been made. And there are no excuses, because we've heard that Arum doesn't want to have him fight Spence or Spence is afraid of Crawford or at least doesn't deserved a huge payment. But here we are, maybe in next month we will hear the fight's official announcement. As far as revenue goes, yes, this is the biggest fight, bigger than GGG vs Canelo.

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And it seems this is also the way Tank Davis is going with his career, not to sign with Floyd and be a freelancer so that he can make his own fight. Fight that we fans deserved, after all, we are the one bringing the money for these top boxers so they understand if we didn't get the fight we wanted.

We missed the 80's and 90's boxing where the best only meet the best now fighters within the same promotion are the ones fighting each other and they don't care about boxers from the other side, like what's happening to UFC and WWE where you cannot fight fighters from other promotions, that is bad for boxing, the boxing organizations should step and allow inter promotions so the best fighter will only fight the best.

Yes, that was a bad ass era, lots of great boxers facing each other without any question because of their machismo, they want to proved who is the best. But time has change, boxing is now control by few promoters and networks that they can control which fight is going to happen. And unless there are millions in the table, they are not willing to put the best boxers against each other.

That's true, especially if both fighters are popular just like these two boxers, this deserves millions of revenue. We all know that boxing is a business and entertainment, so we cannot just easily see a fight we wanted if the promoter does not see a potential to give him the income he expected.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 16, 2022, 09:54:00 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on June 16, 2022, 09:05:27 AM

And it seems this is also the way Tank Davis is going with his career, not to sign with Floyd and be a freelancer so that he can make his own fight. Fight that we fans deserved, after all, we are the one bringing the money for these top boxers so they understand if we didn't get the fight we wanted.

We missed the 80's and 90's boxing where the best only meet the best now fighters within the same promotion are the ones fighting each other and they don't care about boxers from the other side, like what's happening to UFC and WWE where you cannot fight fighters from other promotions, that is bad for boxing, the boxing organizations should step and allow inter promotions so the best fighter will only fight the best.

Yes, that was a bad ass era, lots of great boxers facing each other without any question because of their machismo, they want to proved who is the best. But time has change, boxing is now control by few promoters and networks that they can control which fight is going to happen. And unless there are millions in the table, they are not willing to put the best boxers against each other.

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Spence has the 3 belts (WBC, IBF, and WBA recently from defeating Ugas) so he has done more cleaning in this division than Crawford did because he only got the WBO belt since 2018.

That is because Terence Crawford never had a chance to compete with big names under Top Rank promotions which he always requested. Also, the fact that Spence is dodging Crawford because the latter thinks it's not worth his time. Spence on the other hand always got his preferred fight and make sure he will win all his title fights and that's what he is today claiming 3 Championship belts under WBC, IBF, and WBA as you have mentioned.

In Terence Crawford's fight history, the expected fight against Spence will be the biggest fight in his career. If he was able to unify all the Welterweight titles beating Spence if ever, Crawford will now begin to move up weight to extend some good credentials on his career. He has lots of targets if successfully defeated Spence in the process.

That's also why he decides to leave and didn't re-sign under the roof of the Top Rank Promotions after he fought and won against Shawn Porter. Bob Arum was just milking him too much without understanding his boxers as they too have boxers in my mind to help them in climbing the ladder. Now that he's a free agent, he can decide anything and will earn more without giving some cut to his promoters.

Are there any updates about this fight? Hopefully, they can announce it before the end of June.

Well that's what promoters did before Crawford, Bob Arum milk the hell out of Manny and when he lost, Manny has an excused not to sign with him.

And it seems this is also the way Tank Davis is going with his career, not to sign with Floyd and be a freelancer so that he can make his own fight. Fight that we fans deserved, after all we are the one bringing the money for this top boxers so they understand if we didn't get the fight we wanted.

I feel bad for Crawford because Bob Arum denied him to have a good future and legacy like Spence had experienced that's why the latter is holding 3 belts and Crawford has only one in his possession because of Arum being overprotective so that Crawford will always win to milk him as always. Top Rank Promotions is not as good anymore and they will be avoided by other boxers because they already know what Arum could bring and certainly that's not legacy.

On Davis part, he's already a freelancer after that fight against Romero. Tank managed to decide much earlier while he is still at his prime because he knows that his talent will be put to waste if he will be just with Mayweather.

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