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I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable.

But from Mayweather Jr. says, he will be the one to announced if the fight will be finally deal. I suspect that he might plays a big role as a promoter for Terence Crawford. There's no official statement though but all this speculations will be confirmed later on.

We can also speculate a lot with Mayweather's personality, his deep connections and influence in PBC. It is really possible that Bud already joined Mayweather Promotions secretly and might tell the public only when the fight is deal or after the fight. Or maybe Bud told Mayweather to help set up the fight against Spence. And if he can do the job then Bud will sign under Mayweather Promotions. Or maybe Mayweather is just talking to get some attention because he is scheduled to have another exhibition match. There's actually a lot of people talking with regards to the ongoing situation like Swift Garcia another PBC fighter.

We don't know what's happening inside unless they'll confirm our speculation.

Mayweather is a good promoter, he is like Bob Arum who values his fighters, so a fight against is a big gamble because the chance of Crawford to win is 50/50 or even less. Regardless, I think this fight is already due, fans are asking it so they have to grant it.

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I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable.

But from Mayweather Jr. says, he will be the one to announced if the fight will be finally deal. I suspect that he might plays a big role as a promoter for Terence Crawford. There's no official statement though but all this speculations will be confirmed later on.

We can also speculate a lot with Mayweather's personality, his deep connections and influence in PBC. It is really possible that Bud already joined Mayweather Promotions secretly and might tell the public only when the fight is deal or after the fight. Or maybe Bud told Mayweather to help set up the fight against Spence. And if he can do the job then Bud will sign under Mayweather Promotions. Or maybe Mayweather is just talking to get some attention because he is scheduled to have another exhibition match. There's actually a lot of people talking with regards to the ongoing situation like Swift Garcia another PBC fighter.

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That was the time when Spence has not added a belt and he was already asking for a 60/40 price, how much more that he had more belts than in the past 2 years, so it will not change his mind, he think he deserve a bigger share.

Agree to that and he will continue to demand that as he believes that he is more worthy than Crawford.

It will be a talk between two camps and if they both agree, then there's nothing to think of any reason, only the fitted schedule
for this upcoming fight. Spence added more belts since he beats Ugas and claims another title, which supposedly a belt fight
between him and the legendary Manny Pacquiao.

Yes, and I think he is in the position now to demand, and if Crawford really believe that he can beat Spence, then I think he should agree with the 60/40 sharing, or else, he will remain as the next best fighter to Spence until they move up in weight.

As far as who is the best fighter, it's debatable, but as long as Spence Jr, holds that 3 belt, others might argue that he is the best. Yeah, 60/40 as we have discussed already is the best purse split for now. This fight needs to happen this year, because another delay might mean that the fight will not get made and maybe they will go on their separate ways and fight other boxers. It's like now or never.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 03, 2022, 12:55:43 AM

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That was the time when Spence has not added a belt and he was already asking for a 60/40 price, how much more that he had more belts than in the past 2 years, so it will not change his mind, he think he deserve a bigger share.

Agree to that and he will continue to demand that as he believes that he is more worthy than Crawford.

It will be a talk between two camps and if they both agree, then there's nothing to think of any reason, only the fitted schedule
for this upcoming fight. Spence added more belts since he beats Ugas and claims another title, which supposedly a belt fight
between him and the legendary Manny Pacquiao.

Yes, and I think he is in the position now to demand, and if Crawford really believe that he can beat Spence, then I think he should agree with the 60/40 sharing, or else, he will remain as the next best fighter to Spence until they move up in weight.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 02, 2022, 09:30:41 PM

That was the time when Spence has not added a belt and he was already asking for a 60/40 price, how much more that he had more belts than in the past 2 years, so it will not change his mind, he think he deserve a bigger share.

Agree to that and he will continue to demand that as he believes that he is more worthy than Crawford.

It will be a talk between two camps and if they both agree, then there's nothing to think of any reason, only the fitted schedule
for this upcoming fight. Spence added more belts since he beats Ugas and claims another title, which supposedly a belt fight
between him and the legendary Manny Pacquiao.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 02, 2022, 10:51:54 AM

Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

Any source or link that Spence is asking for a big splice? Do you mean higher from the expected 60-40?

If that's 70-30 then I don't think this fight will happened. But are we just speculating here or Spence really demands a split like that?

I don't believe Spence will push for 70-30. He knows that Crawford camp will not agree with that.

This is an old post, https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/jwpqht/coppinger_asked_errol_spence_jr_if_he_deserves/

That was the time when Spence has not added a belt and he was already asking for a 60/40 price, how much more that he had more belts than in the past 2 years, so it will not change his mind, he think he deserve a bigger share.

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I think there's no problem with the location as US is the idea place for this big event, the only problem I see is the sharing because until now, Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

The 60/40 in favor of Spence is just a speculation by most analyst and here. There is no official statement released or news stating how much Spence really demands. I think he's fine with 60/40 as I think he won't go too far requesting above it.

Yeah, this speculation is based on the PPV numbers that Crawford has as compare to Spence. And we might all agree that Spence has bring more PPV numbers as compare to Crawford, and then we have the belts as well. Spence has 3, so that is enough for him maybe to have that 60/40 split on his favor.

Quote from: chaser15 on July 02, 2022, 05:05:12 PM

But what if the scenario is, Crawford is the one objecting about the purse split? He is ranked top against Spence but the latter holds several titles and all his fights are sold out including PPVs compare to Spence.

But regardless, it's about both boxer's pride. If no one will give way about the purse split, it will take a long time before the fight will be officially organized. 50/50 won't happened and it shouldn't be done like that. Spence 60/40 should be the right split.

Sooner or later someone's pride has to give up just to make this fight happen. Otherwise another what if when both retired without fighting. And it's really up to them, if they tell us what the purse split it, most fight released their numbers, PPV, gate revenue, split. So we might fight out later what will it be.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 02, 2022, 10:51:54 AM

Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

Any source or link that Spence is asking for a big splice? Do you mean higher from the expected 60-40?

If that's 70-30 then I don't think this fight will happened. But are we just speculating here or Spence really demands a split like that?

I don't believe Spence will push for 70-30. He knows that Crawford camp will not agree with that.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 02, 2022, 02:43:34 AM

I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable. Unless Spence and his team will continue to evade and prolong the negotiations in order to exploit Crawford's age.

But from Mayweather Jr. says, he will be the one to announced if the fight will be finally deal. I suspect that he might plays a big role as a promoter for Terence Crawford. There's no official statement though but all this speculations will be confirmed later on.

The same as you, I also believed that this fight will happened this year. There's no way it should happened next year as I don't see any reason for this fight not to happened. A purse split discussion can be settled properly without something on their way.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 02, 2022, 10:51:54 AM

I think there's no problem with the location as US is the idea place for this big event, the only problem I see is the sharing because until now, Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

The 60/40 in favor of Spence is just a speculation by most analyst and here. There is no official statement released or news stating how much Spence really demands. I think he's fine with 60/40 as I think he won't go too far requesting above it.

But what if the scenario is, Crawford is the one objecting about the purse split? He is ranked top against Spence but the latter holds several titles and all his fights are sold out including PPVs compare to Spence.

But regardless, it's about both boxer's pride. If no one will give way about the purse split, it will take a long time before the fight will be officially organized. 50/50 won't happened and it shouldn't be done like that. Spence 60/40 should be the right split.

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Spence vs Crawford is one of the most anticipated fights this year, we should see this as both promoters of the fight will surely get their expectation when it comes to revenue, and both fighters as well will pocket a big paycheck.

I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable. Unless Spence and his team will continue to evade and prolong the negotiations in order to exploit Crawford's age.

Maybe this fight is really happening this year hence the rumors. Only remaining stuffs to settle probably the location and sharing or profit.

I think there's no problem with the location as US is the idea place for this big event, the only problem I see is the sharing because until now, Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

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Exactly, Spence is a PPV king (not so close with Mayweather though) and since it's against Crawford, it could be the biggest PPV revenue for Spence.

Our current ppv king is Canelo. Spence is very very very far from becoming a ppv king. He's not even second nor third. Even Tank Davis fighting nobodies are matching Spence ppv buys.

With that, I guess this big fight has a chance to give both fighters the biggest PPV revenue in their career, so it should happen.

Yeah the money will be there for both of these fighters. Will be so disappointed if this never comes to fruition. Not many other boxers I want to see Crawford up against.

This big fight of the year will almost come you got it mate I am also want to see Crawford will up in the right again and if this will happen for sure many bettors should like to watch this intense and exciting part of the world of boxing even though many bettors like Spence even me ill like spence the way he fight inside the ring but still I bel in Crawford that he can win this fight and claim the belt with a good timing.

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Quote from: Japinat on July 02, 2022, 10:51:54 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on July 02, 2022, 02:43:34 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on July 01, 2022, 07:04:37 AM

Spence vs Crawford is one of the most anticipated fights this year, we should see this as both promoters of the fight will surely get their expectation when it comes to revenue, and both fighters as well will pocket a big paycheck.

I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable. Unless Spence and his team will continue to evade and prolong the negotiations in order to exploit Crawford's age.

Maybe this fight is really happening this year hence the rumors. Only remaining stuffs to settle probably the location and sharing or profit.

I think there's no problem with the location as US is the idea place for this big event, the only problem I see is the sharing because until now, Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 01, 2022, 07:04:37 AM

Exactly, Spence is a PPV king (not so close with Mayweather though) and since it's against Crawford, it could be the biggest PPV revenue for Spence.

Our current ppv king is Canelo. Spence is very very very far from becoming a ppv king. He's not even second nor third. Even Tank Davis fighting nobodies are matching Spence ppv buys.

With that, I guess this big fight has a chance to give both fighters the biggest PPV revenue in their career, so it should happen.

Yeah the money will be there for both of these fighters. Will be so disappointed if this never comes to fruition. Not many other boxers I want to see Crawford up against.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 02, 2022, 02:43:34 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on July 01, 2022, 07:04:37 AM

Spence vs Crawford is one of the most anticipated fights this year, we should see this as both promoters of the fight will surely get their expectation when it comes to revenue, and both fighters as well will pocket a big paycheck.

I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable. Unless Spence and his team will continue to evade and prolong the negotiations in order to exploit Crawford's age.

Maybe this fight is really happening this year hence the rumors. Only remaining stuffs to settle probably the location and sharing or profit.

I think there's no problem with the location as US is the idea place for this big event, the only problem I see is the sharing because until now, Spence are still asking for a bigger slice of the pie which I think is reasonable, but Crawford's camp might not like it.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 01, 2022, 07:04:37 AM

Exactly, Spence is a PPV king (not so close with Mayweather though) and since it's against Crawford, it could be the biggest PPV revenue for Spence.

Our current ppv king is Canelo. Spence is very very very far from becoming a ppv king. He's not even second nor third. Even Tank Davis fighting nobodies are matching Spence ppv buys.

With that, I guess this big fight has a chance to give both fighters the biggest PPV revenue in their career, so it should happen.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 01, 2022, 07:04:37 AM

Spence vs Crawford is one of the most anticipated fights this year, we should see this as both promoters of the fight will surely get their expectation when it comes to revenue, and both fighters as well will pocket a big paycheck.

I believe Crawford is still a free agent. He doesn't have any promoter now which makes this fight and negotiations very doable. Unless Spence and his team will continue to evade and prolong the negotiations in order to exploit Crawford's age.

Maybe this fight is really happening this year hence the rumors. Only remaining stuffs to settle probably the location and sharing or profit.

Quote from: Vaculin on July 01, 2022, 07:04:37 AM

Exactly, Spence is a PPV king (not so close with Mayweather though) and since it's against Crawford, it could be the biggest PPV revenue for Spence.

Our current ppv king is Canelo. Spence is very very very far from becoming a ppv king. He's not even second nor third. Even Tank Davis fighting nobodies are matching Spence ppv buys.

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I think they are already past in their negotiations of purse cuts because Spence already openly said in the public that he should have the bigger slice and that means no lower than 60% purse cut while Crawford will really take the remaining 40% cut of the purse because he's been calling this fight for long and this is the closest thing he's been into against Spence and he surely knows that he can't afford to get this undisputed match for long because he will be a year inactive soon.

If they want to settle the fight in October then they should announce it no later than mid of July because they still have to prepare for that fight.

They should announce it for better preparation and for the fans to get engaged with the possible upcoming fight,

Unless they are planning for another alternative to promote the fight, access like social media and more hypes while still in
the process, and this kind of writeups and temporary delayed of the final announcement can also be used to engage people's
interest, but I agree that July might be the best time to announce the realization of this possible upcoming fight to announce.

Crawford needs little to no time to train, he has a good turn around time. Unsure of spences short announced fights but Crawford doesn't get fazed by them. Honestly the 2 of them are probably training right now is if they are going to fight so I think am anniuncent would just be an admin note more than theor starting line.

Still, they should finalize some things sooner too so that the fans will know that these two are really going to share a ring somewhere in October. And about Crawford, he will get inactive for a year sooner in I think October or November so he needs that time to train and not just because he's up to that challenge, he surely knows that Spence is not an easier opponent and this match they are talking is about being an undisputed boxer and not just an ordinary show.

This kind of high athletes are very active though even if they are not fighting. And by the looks of it, Crawford has the discipline that's why he reach this level of greatness. And so with Spence, when he fought Porter he was out for a long time, and then Ugas. But it didn't show any ring rust. So I don't think it will have a big effect if this two are not going to be active for at least a year like Crawford.

Yes, that is quite true. Even if they have no upcoming fights they still exhausts themselves in training and sparring just to make their body fit and stay healthy, also exercise is already a routine for them daily. But that routines won't be enough to guarantee themselves a win nor make their chances to win get bigger because trainings with an upcoming fight is really different than just doing a daily exercise.

It's still better if they get some fights once or twice a year to keep them that active.

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Quote from: harizen on June 30, 2022, 07:06:15 PM

To prevent expectations, don't believe for now that it would happen in October so you won't get disappointed if that's not what happened. We just have to wait patiently for the official announcement as that will erase all the speculations. Adjust your expectations to a minimum of October until the 1st quarter of 2023. What matter here is, that this fight is not like any anticipated match that has several obstacles. We didn't see yet and major problems why this fight should not happen this year.

As long as it will happen this year, I'm already okay with that.
Spence vs Crawford is one of the most anticipated fights this year, we should see this as both promoters of the fight will surely get their expectation when it comes to revenue, and both fighters as well will pocket a big paycheck.

Quote from: harizen on June 30, 2022, 07:06:15 PM

For let's say the fight will be in October, announcing it this July or August shouldn't be a problem. There's also no problem with promoting the fight as I'm sure, right away after the official announcement, expect sold-out tickets within a week including PPV globally. Spence is the King of PPV regardless of his opponent. What's more against the top boxer too, Terence Crawford.

Exactly, Spence is a PPV king (not so close with Mayweather though) and since it's against Crawford, it could be the biggest PPV revenue for Spence.

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To prevent expectations, don't believe for now that it would happen in October so you won't get disappointed if that's not what happened. We just have to wait patiently for the official announcement as that will erase all the speculations. Adjust your expectations to a minimum of October until the 1st quarter of 2023. What matter here is, that this fight is not like any anticipated match that has several obstacles. We didn't see yet and major problems why this fight should not happen this year.

For let's say the fight will be in October, announcing it this July or August shouldn't be a problem. There's also no problem with promoting the fight as I'm sure, right away after the official announcement, expect sold-out tickets within a week including PPV globally. Spence is the King of PPV regardless of his opponent. What's more against the top boxer too, Terence Crawford.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 30, 2022, 04:41:51 PM

I couldn't agree more! Even if Crawford and Spence are sure that the fight will happen in October (expected month) and they might already preparing for the fight. They should tell and announce it to the fans and the whole boxing industry that they will indeed having a fight in October so that the fans won't just expect for nothing. Having it announced much early will also be a help to promote and sell the fight, so I hope that they will really announce it this mid of July or earlier than that if possible.

And now we are demanding that they need to announce it right away? That's not how it works guys. Even if they have to announce it a month before the fight, it's on them. Promoting the fight is not even a problem. Promoters are handling a fight for a long and they know what to do in that business compared to us.

Does anyone really think they will hold a fight with a lack of time to promote it? Just relax and no need to demand an official announcement right away.

If the fans expect the fight in October, who else is to blame for that where in fact there is no official announcement yet? Why that expectation by the fans should be granted by the promoters of this fight if, in the first place, it might not be the date of the fight?

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Quote from: Pamadar on June 29, 2022, 06:32:43 AM

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I think they are already past in their negotiations of purse cuts because Spence already openly said in the public that he should have the bigger slice and that means no lower than 60% purse cut while Crawford will really take the remaining 40% cut of the purse because he's been calling this fight for long and this is the closest thing he's been into against Spence and he surely knows that he can't afford to get this undisputed match for long because he will be a year inactive soon.

If they want to settle the fight in October then they should announce it no later than mid of July because they still have to prepare for that fight.

They should announce it for better preparation and for the fans to get engaged with the possible upcoming fight,

Unless they are planning for another alternative to promote the fight, access like social media and more hypes while still in
the process, and this kind of writeups and temporary delayed of the final announcement can also be used to engage people's
interest, but I agree that July might be the best time to announce the realization of this possible upcoming fight to announce.

I couldn't agree more! Even if Crawford and Spence are sure that the fight will happen in October (expected month) and they might already preparing for the fight. They should tell and announce it to the fans and the whole boxing industry that they will indeed having a fight in October so that the fans won't just expect for nothing. Having it announced much early will also be a help to promote and sell the fight, so I hope that they will really announce it this mid of July or earlier than that if possible.

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So this is going to be his biggest pay, if my theory is right. So probably guarantee of upward to $8 million, and Spence around $10 million.

Agree with you. Since there is no doubt, that this will be Terence Crawford's biggest fight in his career, expect that this is also the biggest paycheck he might receive regardless of the result. Errol Spence Jr. is considered as the King of PPV and will surely grab more audiences making the purse big.

If I remember it right, back then, when Crawford was offered to fight Pacquiao, a guaranteed $10 million is being offered to him, win or loss. It stated that amount will be the highest paycheck that Crawford will receive in his entire boxing career. Just correct me if I'm wrong here.

Here against Spence, he might earn more than that even the purse split will be 60/40 in favor of Spence Jr.

That's what I call a big haul, for Crawford it's the opportunity to show a lot in this fight, it's clear that Spence has a huge advantage against him, it's understandable, the numbers give a lot of information, and given that the statistics in boxing they are a great tool for bettors, it is something that is not in doubt, however it would be interesting to see if Crawford makes history here, for Spence I see this fight as an incentive with an air of pressure, he knows that he should not lose, here Both boxers will play it all, this fight for me will be the best of the year, against all odds I admire these boxers a lot, they have a very exquisite technique and apart from that both are very intelligent in the fight.

The way I see it, I don't see Spence having a huge advantage over Crawford. Both are on their prime years, they are undefeated and champions, maybe Spence has more belts but in terms of advantage, I think they are just even.

About that, I will lean a bit for Crawford even if he's much older than Spence but both of them are still on their prime and experience will say it all as that will be the boxer's advantage to have an advanced IQ in the ring. That said, Spence can still be dangerous as ever and Crawford knows that but I will still settle for Crawford on this match. I really hope this fight will happen, I feel that these boxers are just taking us a for a ride.

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