[Boxing] Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia IBF & WBC Welterweight Title

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Quote from: Natalim on December 09, 2020, 06:16:33 PM

Quote from: Sadlife on December 07, 2020, 06:34:16 AM

Looks like the crowd favourite Danny Garcia got defeated, what a let down i was hoping of a more hyper Danny because he has the most experience, considering fighting big names such as Shawn porter and Keith Thurman. But in that fight he looked sluggish and barely even throwing any punches. What a boring match, many gamblers must have loss from this match.

Danny Garcia wasn't the crowd favorite, it was Spence because he was the undefeated and the championship, even if you'll verify the betting odds, you'll see that Garcia was the underdog of this fight.

Being the fan favorite and the betting favorite are two seperate things. For example, Teofimo Lopez was the fan favorite and had more bets placed on him but the odds favored Lomachenko because there was overall more money placed on him. It is not uncommon for the fans to want the underdog to win the fight.

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Looks like the crowd favourite Danny Garcia got defeated, what a let down i was hoping of a more hyper Danny because he has the most experience, considering fighting big names such as Shawn porter and Keith Thurman. But in that fight he looked sluggish and barely even throwing any punches. What a boring match, many gamblers must have loss from this match.

Danny Garcia wasn't the crowd favorite, it was Spence because he was the undefeated and the championship, even if you'll verify the betting odds, you'll see that Garcia was the underdog of this fight.

But, it was Danny asking for a big fight just to have the crowd know his name in boxing which I believe was his intention, not to win. He is fighting the undefeated boxer which he knows himself that he already has a slim chance to win.

If it could happen that Spencer or Crawford will face against Manny, I will still put my bet to Manny (as just support) but not because I was confident that he gonna win because of the age gap. These young fighters are hungry just like Thurman but it was a long time that Manny hasn't in the fight which probably slowing his speed. I'd preferred for Manny not to fight again.

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Quote from: Sadlife on December 07, 2020, 06:34:16 AM

Looks like the crowd favourite Danny Garcia got defeated, what a let down i was hoping of a more hyper Danny because he has the most experience, considering fighting big names such as Shawn porter and Keith Thurman. But in that fight he looked sluggish and barely even throwing any punches. What a boring match, many gamblers must have loss from this match.

Danny Garcia wasn't the crowd favorite, it was Spence because he was the undefeated and the championship, even if you'll verify the betting odds, you'll see that Garcia was the underdog of this fight.

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Ok so he is back, show flashes of his old self in beating a plodding Danny Garcia, Lol. But to be honest, it's a win, but I'm not impressed though of Spence. I think if he and Crawford will fight next year, definitely, I will go for Crawford. Both has sharp jab, but what separates is that Crawford is somewhat a cerebral fighter, and has a good timing. Anyhow, we all wanted both of them next year in the right and prove who is the best 147 lbs right now. Winner fights Manny, for all the glory and their biggest pay check of their carrier.

Not that much impressive but still a win indeed. Watching the fight with lots of defensive style, not much of explosive change of
punch, just normal one that fans will wait for the final announcement.

With what you mentioned regarding to the next possible fight against Crawford, that might be the challenged for Spence how he'll
counter those punches that Crawford will throw.

We will enjoy that one as it's probably one of the biggest if not the biggest next year. However, we need both camps to agree as their undefeated record is at stake here, but I think it's already due, they'll make big money for that risk, so it's worth the risk.

The only road block for this mega fight is the promoter. I don't know if you guys have read what Bob Arum has said on Crawford's win against Brook, that Bud is hard to promote, I will not be surprised if Crawford will not re-sign with Top Rank next year after his contract expires and he will move to PBC.

If that happens then we are going to see Crawford vs Spence or any of the top welterweights under PBC.

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Looks like the crowd favourite Danny Garcia got defeated, what a let down i was hoping of a more hyper Danny because he has the most experience, considering fighting big names such as Shawn porter and Keith Thurman. But in that fight he looked sluggish and barely even throwing any punches. What a boring match, many gamblers must have loss from this match.

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Quote from: freedomgo on December 06, 2020, 10:29:11 PM

I will not hesitate to bet on Pacquiao if he will be indeed the underdog of the fight, odds does not determine their chances, we are talking of the legend here who beat an undefeated fighter, who knows, it will become 2 in a row to beat an undefeated fighter. +300 odds would be a nice one, Ill take it all day.

Many people do not like Pacquiao's chances on both fighters but we never know, Pacquiao's power and skill never left him for the last ten years but the two fighters are in the different league, we know Pacquiao he never backs out on any fighter so it all depends on their respective promoters and the shares of the profit, we will hear more news if a fight with any of the fighter will materialize.

Pacquiao himself is his own promoter, he left the top rank promotion to make his own, so that means he can fight any fighter he wants, he already did it with Thurman which is a solid fighter, so I have no doubt he can do the same on any champion in the same division.

Spence and Crawford had already defeated their opponent this year, they have proven themselves they still have the discipline to maintain their body and skills, so maybe it's time for the two to fight, and definitely Manny will take the Winner.

A spence vs Crawford fight might generate big money, but a Manny vs Crawford or spence fight, will generate more IMO.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on December 06, 2020, 09:46:53 PM

These are the boxers that we might see on the next fight of spence though he didn't call out after the victory of Garcia.

1-Terrence Crawford
2-Manny Pacquiao
3-Keith Thurman
4-Shawn Porter(low chance)

A Terrence Crawford will be a blockbuster match and bettors will be divided on who will be the favorite and underdog, they are two fighters with an equal chance, on Pacquiao, Spence will be a heavy favorite here, we must admit Pacquiao is a very good boxer but Spence is a very dominant fighter as we saw on his recent fight against Garcia.

I will not hesitate to bet on Pacquiao if he will be indeed the underdog of the fight, odds does not determine their chances, we are talking of the legend here who beat an undefeated fighter, who knows, it will become 2 in a row to beat an undefeated fighter. +300 odds would be a nice one, Ill take it all day.

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I don't think a Spencer vs. Manny will ever happen. Neither will Crawford vs. Manny. I doubt the camp of Manny will allow such very risky matches. They are now protecting the old man from facing very talented younger fighters such as the two fighters I mentioned.

Manny Pacquiao is still a great fighter but I love Manny Pacquiao that I don't want to get him hurt, these two boxers Spence and Crawford can hurt him because they are to dominant, they are at the peak of their skills and power, let these two boxers have it and fight each other and just leave Manny, I like Manny's like fight to someone body like him like Mayweather if he still likes it. or Mickey Garcia.

He is a great fighter and a real legend but he's on his way down. I understand Spencer and Crawford and the other younger and hungrier names in the sports who constantly call out Manny. The truth is that they don't have a lot to prove to defeat Manny. Manny is no longer in his prime while they are still at their peak. They're just after the bragging rights and the certain level of achievement in defeating the great Manny Pacquiao. And the money that comes along with it of course. But it doesn't speak anymore of their skills. They can defeat an old legend. We know that. I am for Spencer against Crawford.

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https://www.badlefthook.com/2020/12/6/22156772/errol-spence-next-fight-after-danny-garcia-terence-crawford-pacquiao-boxing-news-2020

These are the boxers that we might see on the next fight of spence though he didn't call out after the victory of Garcia.

1-Terrence Crawford
2-Manny Pacquiao
3-Keith Thurman
4-Shawn Porter(low chance)

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 06, 2020, 06:13:27 PM

Ok so he is back, show flashes of his old self in beating a plodding Danny Garcia, Lol. But to be honest, it's a win, but I'm not impressed though of Spence. I think if he and Crawford will fight next year, definitely, I will go for Crawford. Both has sharp jab, but what separates is that Crawford is somewhat a cerebral fighter, and has a good timing. Anyhow, we all wanted both of them next year in the right and prove who is the best 147 lbs right now. Winner fights Manny, for all the glory and their biggest pay check of their carrier.

Not that much impressive but still a win indeed. Watching the fight with lots of defensive style, not much of explosive change of
punch, just normal one that fans will wait for the final announcement.

With what you mentioned regarding to the next possible fight against Crawford, that might be the challenged for Spence how he'll
counter those punches that Crawford will throw.

We will enjoy that one as it's probably one of the biggest if not the biggest next year. However, we need both camps to agree as their undefeated record is at stake here, but I think it's already due, they'll make big money for that risk, so it's worth the risk.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 06, 2020, 06:13:27 PM

Ok so he is back, show flashes of his old self in beating a plodding Danny Garcia, Lol. But to be honest, it's a win, but I'm not impressed though of Spence. I think if he and Crawford will fight next year, definitely, I will go for Crawford. Both has sharp jab, but what separates is that Crawford is somewhat a cerebral fighter, and has a good timing. Anyhow, we all wanted both of them next year in the right and prove who is the best 147 lbs right now. Winner fights Manny, for all the glory and their biggest pay check of their carrier.

Not that much impressive but still a win indeed. Watching the fight with lots of defensive style, not much of explosive change of
punch, just normal one that fans will wait for the final announcement.

With what you mentioned regarding to the next possible fight against Crawford, that might be the challenged for Spence how he'll
counter those punches that Crawford will throw.

Yes, I saw more of defensive Spence here, meaning he respect Garcia's power specially if it touches his chin. It's a control agression on Spence and Garcia trying to get into the rhythm with counter punching. And Spence doesn't mind cruising on a 12 round decision and obviously, didn't go for the knock out even at the last round. Garcia's face says it all, he was bruised and battered in this match.

I would really love to see Crawford and Spence. Crawford is in the arena watching the fights and I'm sure he is scouting Spence and try to find a flaw.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 06, 2020, 06:13:27 PM

Ok so he is back, show flashes of his old self in beating a plodding Danny Garcia, Lol. But to be honest, it's a win, but I'm not impressed though of Spence. I think if he and Crawford will fight next year, definitely, I will go for Crawford. Both has sharp jab, but what separates is that Crawford is somewhat a cerebral fighter, and has a good timing. Anyhow, we all wanted both of them next year in the right and prove who is the best 147 lbs right now. Winner fights Manny, for all the glory and their biggest pay check of their carrier.

Not that much impressive but still a win indeed. Watching the fight with lots of defensive style, not much of explosive change of
punch, just normal one that fans will wait for the final announcement.

With what you mentioned regarding to the next possible fight against Crawford, that might be the challenged for Spence how he'll
counter those punches that Crawford will throw.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 06, 2020, 06:03:12 PM

Why go for Pacquiao when there's one guy which is undefeated willing to fight him? Crawford calling out Pacquiao is not because he wants a tough fight, his intention is only to make big money and of course beat the legend which he has 50% chance of winning since Pacquiao is a smart fighter and he have proven it many times.

We've seen enough for Crawford and Spence fighting a low class fighter, sorry about that, but I am just frustrated and I think it's time to fight and take a risk against the best boxers in the division, if they want to earn respect, they should fight the best, especially for Crawford.

You should tell that to Crawford's promoter and not me lol.

My statement was based on the article I read before that Crawford is looking for big names and he is disappointed that he's not having a big fight yet and Pacquiao is on the list. We don't know the agenda under the table so we can't conclude what's the real deal on his future matches. Of course, any boxer wants to make a big-money especially top boxers.

But I agree with you that Crawford camps should take a big name on the next fight. I don't know why they can't finalize a match against a big boxer.

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Ok so he is back, show flashes of his old self in beating a plodding Danny Garcia, Lol. But to be honest, it's a win, but I'm not impressed though of Spence. I think if he and Crawford will fight next year, definitely, I will go for Crawford. Both has sharp jab, but what separates is that Crawford is somewhat a cerebral fighter, and has a good timing. Anyhow, we all wanted both of them next year in the right and prove who is the best 147 lbs right now. Winner fights Manny, for all the glory and their biggest pay check of their carrier.

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Quote from: chaser15 on December 06, 2020, 05:46:17 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on December 06, 2020, 05:37:59 AM

Don't forget about Manny Pacquiao, he is also the current champion, these 3 will soon cross the line but I would love to see Spence vs Crawford first because these are young fighters and undefeated. There's a lot of question who is the best between the two, but if they will face, then we will know who is better and this is nice because this is the essence of boxing, fight the best and the winner is the best.

As I recall before and if my memory served me right, Crawford is complaining about not having a big name on his future match. He considers himself as already on top so he should be matched at those only with top. I think he will skip fighting Spence and will go directly to either Manny Pacquiao as his next priority or those others on the top list.

However, if Spence will call out himself to have a fight with Crawford, I'm sure the wind will change and they might start negotiating the fight. One of the best fight next year if will happen.

Why go for Pacquiao when there's one guy which is undefeated willing to fight him? Crawford calling out Pacquiao is not because he wants a tough fight, his intention is only to make big money and of course beat the legend which he has 50% chance of winning since Pacquiao is a smart fighter and he have proven it many times.

We've seen enough for Crawford and Spence fighting a low class fighter, sorry about that, but I am just frustrated and I think it's time to fight and take a risk against the best boxers in the division, if they want to earn respect, they should fight the best, especially for Crawford.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 06, 2020, 05:37:59 AM

Don't forget about Manny Pacquiao, he is also the current champion, these 3 will soon cross the line but I would love to see Spence vs Crawford first because these are young fighters and undefeated. There's a lot of question who is the best between the two, but if they will face, then we will know who is better and this is nice because this is the essence of boxing, fight the best and the winner is the best.

As I recall before and if my memory served me right, Crawford is complaining about not having a big name on his future match. He considers himself as already on top so he should be matched at those only with top. I think he will skip fighting Spence and will go directly to either Manny Pacquiao as his next priority or those others on the top list.

However, if Spence will call out himself to have a fight with Crawford, I'm sure the wind will change and they might start negotiating the fight. One of the best fight next year if will happen.

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Quote from: Jating on December 06, 2020, 12:11:36 PM

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Quote from: Saisher on December 06, 2020, 04:44:32 AM

Obviously Garcia waited to long for the right time to land his punch and he paid a big price, he is the challenger he should take the fight to the champion, if he is really serious and persistent to become a world champion again, I guess he needs to go on another weight division to show his skills, welterweight is not for him anymore.

We can't blame Garcia for that because he is more of a counter-puncher. He can't change his fighting style overnight and his father knows that. We also have to credit Spence for not committing that mistake of being too overconfident and engaging Danny in a slugfest. Now we can conclude that Errol Spence remains one of the top dog in the welterweight division along with Crawford but I don't think a fight with Manny is possible.

I agree, Garcia was indeed a counter-puncher and this is his strategy in this fight. And Spence was prepared for it as he always protected his chin all night because he knows that Garcia has a powerful left. If was a display of Spence getting back, as if he didn't lost any step of his boxing ability. But I would say there's some ring rust early, but Spence was able to shake it off, sign of a very good fighter.

I think we can say that Garcia is not an elite level fighter, just a good welter weight. Crawford and Spence on top, then we have Thurman and Porter and then Garcia. And of the legend is still there Pacquaio.

Yeah, we still have Thurman, though he loss against Pacquaio but this man can still give trouble to Crawford or Spence. Thurman has been calling out Crawford, I don't know if he does the same with Spence but if no Spence vs Crawford, I guess Thurman vs Crawford/Spence would be a good fight.

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Quote from: zhea on December 06, 2020, 06:00:09 AM

Quote from: Saisher on December 06, 2020, 04:44:32 AM

Obviously Garcia waited to long for the right time to land his punch and he paid a big price, he is the challenger he should take the fight to the champion, if he is really serious and persistent to become a world champion again, I guess he needs to go on another weight division to show his skills, welterweight is not for him anymore.

We can't blame Garcia for that because he is more of a counter-puncher. He can't change his fighting style overnight and his father knows that. We also have to credit Spence for not committing that mistake of being too overconfident and engaging Danny in a slugfest. Now we can conclude that Errol Spence remains one of the top dog in the welterweight division along with Crawford but I don't think a fight with Manny is possible.

I agree, Garcia was indeed a counter-puncher and this is his strategy in this fight. And Spence was prepared for it as he always protected his chin all night because he knows that Garcia has a powerful left. If was a display of Spence getting back, as if he didn't lost any step of his boxing ability. But I would say there's some ring rust early, but Spence was able to shake it off, sign of a very good fighter.

I think we can say that Garcia is not an elite level fighter, just a good welter weight. Crawford and Spence on top, then we have Thurman and Porter and then Garcia. And of the legend is still there Pacquaio.

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Quote from: robelneo on December 06, 2020, 09:37:38 AM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 06, 2020, 08:37:32 AM

I don't think a Spencer vs. Manny will ever happen. Neither will Crawford vs. Manny. I doubt the camp of Manny will allow such very risky matches. They are now protecting the old man from facing very talented younger fighters such as the two fighters I mentioned.

Manny Pacquiao is still a great fighter but I love Manny Pacquiao that I don't want to get him hurt, these two boxers Spence and Crawford can hurt him because they are to dominant, they are at the peak of their skills and power, let these two boxers have it and fight each other and just leave Manny, I like Manny's like fight to someone body like him like Mayweather if he still likes it. or Mickey Garcia.

They didn't said that when Manny fought Thurman who is unbeaten that time, so there is a possibility that either Spence and Crawford can get into Pacquaio if the money is right.

It's a tough win for Spence I would say, but it is a tailor made fight for this comeback, yes everyone give Garcia a chance, but Danny can't adjust in fight and we see it as the round progresses he still looks for that timing to land his left hook, but Spence is too smart as he anticipate it throughout the fight.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on December 06, 2020, 08:37:32 AM

I don't think a Spencer vs. Manny will ever happen. Neither will Crawford vs. Manny. I doubt the camp of Manny will allow such very risky matches. They are now protecting the old man from facing very talented younger fighters such as the two fighters I mentioned.

Manny Pacquiao is still a great fighter but I love Manny Pacquiao that I don't want to get him hurt, these two boxers Spence and Crawford can hurt him because they are to dominant, they are at the peak of their skills and power, let these two boxers have it and fight each other and just leave Manny, I like Manny's like fight to someone body like him like Mayweather if he still likes it. or Mickey Garcia.

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